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the rank captain/commander is like executive manager right?


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 wouldn't a captain/commander/major rank be executive manager?  (shepard shouldn't be called commander, yet captain, so that's why i said Captain/Commander) .

chouncilor/prime minister/president = chief executive officer
admiral = chief executive manager above captains/executive managers

make sense? but when a ship is departed from their governing headquarters in space, then the Captain/Exec Manager is CEO of that ship (as they enter a soveriegn state, until returned back to their governing HQ).

shepard is authorized as the commanding officer of the ship, and not anyone else claiming otherwise (the ship recognizes him as captain, he's the person with true authorization).

so if some crazy delusional salarian, or creepy asari stripper who aren't trained to have such a rank claim they're captains/commanding officers and the ship says otherwise then who's right (Captain Shepard)?

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 17 février 2011 - 11:38 .


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*scratches head* ???

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

*scratches head* ???

he shouldb't be called commander shepard, yet captain shepard.
 captain anderson does not command the normandy, right?

captain anderson 2 years later (mass effect 2) should atleast have the rank of admiral, admiral anderson+captain shepard = appropiate real ranks and no bull-crap powerplay foolery.

but imagine a out of no where salarian or female private suddenly wanting to be captains because they think they have the experience to command stuff, yet aren't even properly trained or authorized to use highly important equipment/controls of a ship (as in they don't know what they're doing, yet want to be in control of everything).

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 17 février 2011 - 11:43 .


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Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 17 février 2011 - 11:42 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 17 février 2011 - 11:47 .


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How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?

Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.

Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

Also, Shep is with the navy, not the army.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 17 février 2011 - 11:48 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?

Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.

Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.

i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.

example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters

Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)

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Well, the way you posted I would think you have both games(ME&ME2). If so, I would think you would atleast register ME2.

So people wont think your a troll.

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It doesn't seem like you fully understand how military ranks work.

The rank of an officer/soldier indicates the level of paygrade and what kind of authority within the military he/she has. Just because you command a ship doesn't mean you're automatically promoted to the rank of Captain, a Commander can very well be a ship's first in command.

The list of ranks in ascending order is: Lt. Commander > Commander > Captain.
Major is usually not used in navies, but rather in armies and air forces as a rank above Captain.

Modifié par Netin, 18 février 2011 - 12:18 .


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Netin wrote...

It doesn't seem like you fully understand how military ranks work.

The rank of an officer/soldier indicates the level of paygrade and what kind of authority within the military he/she has. Just because you command a ship doesn't mean you're automatically promoted to the rank of Captain, a Commander can very well be a ship's first in command.

The list of ranks in ascending order is: Lt. Commander > Commander > Captain.
Major is usually not used in navies, but rather in armies and air forces as a rank above Captain.



This in the US military it differs from Branch

Army, Marines, Airforce.

1st Lt, 2nd Lt, Cap., Major, Lt. Col, Col. Then all your assorted Flags.

Navy its   Ensign, LT JG, Lt, Lt Commander, Commander, then captain. 

An Army Col, is equal to a Navy Captain. 

Plus you mean Executive Officer, and most Military men would be a tiny bit resentful beging compaired to a CEO. We all work for a living at the very least. XO is more of a position than a rank, he basically is the ship Commanders underling *reguardless of rank*  for instance say I was on a cutter an LT could be the Commanding Officer, while a Ensign is his XO, on a Capital ship of the Fleet it will be some sort of Admiral, with at least a Commander acting as his XO.  Military units tend to operate on a more...anarchist manner, most of the time the President if he has any sense will out line a political military objective for his senior commanders to take.

In the Army, it goes from the White House, to the Pentagon, Pentagon to the various Army Commanders, then Corps, then Divisional, then Regimental/Brigade, then the Battalion, then the Company, Platoon, then finally you get the Sgt's screaming the objectives. From 1 million men to 12-36.  And its a bit more streamlinded than a company, should the Captain be shot, then the various LT's an NCO will take his place, in fact a Man as low as a PFC which is dirt can in less than a day under a situation can rise up to Sgt and then LT.  Audie Murphy is a case of such. moving up ranks quickly due to tactical flexability.

Shepards rank is not important, his posting is. There are Sergeants and LT's in the various US ground forces that have as much power as a full bird Col. they have such power as they have the postion of well more or less Aide-de-camp(with various names of that position). Generally any order from them is as if it were spoken from the Commanders lips perssonally.

Though it is true higher ranks result in more pay, minus the JSDF which pays based on job. There are Sergeants in the JSDF (Japanese Self Defense Force) who make enough to make a general turn green with envy.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 18 février 2011 - 12:42 .


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KenKenpachi wrote...

Netin wrote...

It doesn't seem like you fully understand how military ranks work.

The rank of an officer/soldier indicates the level of paygrade and what kind of authority within the military he/she has. Just because you command a ship doesn't mean you're automatically promoted to the rank of Captain, a Commander can very well be a ship's first in command.

The list of ranks in ascending order is: Lt. Commander > Commander > Captain.
Major is usually not used in navies, but rather in armies and air forces as a rank above Captain.



This in the US military it differs from Branch

Army, Marines, Airforce.

1st Lt, 2nd Lt, Cap., Major, Lt. Col, Col. Then all your assorted Flags.

Navy its   Ensign, LT JG, Lt, Lt Commander, Commander, then captain. 

An Army Col, is equal to a Navy Captain.


Yes, I went with the Navy variant as that's apparently what they're using for Shepard. Major would be above the Captain rank in those branches it is used.

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Wonder how that Marine Corp got off of the Army System, heck makes me wonder if they even have an Army anymore, say for groundside Garrision Duty like in Halo's UNSC? Ah well reminds me a Captain we had once had to go to a Naval base for some meeting or another and the Corpsmen who took him to the officer quarters and on mistake gave him a Captains Room. Navy that is, said it was the best room he ever had stayed in lol.

Ah well back on topic enough of my thread jack.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 18 février 2011 - 02:02 .


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Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?


Shepard isn't with the Alliance anymore.

He held the rank of Commander.

He was never promoted to Captain.

So they call him Commander Shepard. Not Captain Shepard.

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Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

*scratches head* ???

he shouldb't be called commander shepard, yet captain shepard.
 captain anderson does not command the normandy, right?

captain anderson 2 years later (mass effect 2) should atleast have the rank of admiral, admiral anderson+captain shepard = appropiate real ranks and no bull-crap powerplay foolery.



but imagine a out of no where salarian or female private suddenly wanting to be captains because they think they have the experience to command stuff, yet aren't even properly trained or authorized to use highly important equipment/controls of a ship (as in they don't know what they're doing, yet want to be in control of everything).


Going to start another rage thread buddy?

Modifié par The Fan, 18 février 2011 - 02:10 .


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Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?

Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.

Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.

i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.

example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters

Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)



There is no logic in that post at all, And you understand Military structure and Ranks?

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Who the **** is this troll?

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PiEman wrote...

Who the **** is this troll?

Asking yourself questions is strange.

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Adugan wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Who the **** is this troll?

Asking yourself questions is strange.


Yes, yes, you're very clever.

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eh what? if im not mistaken, shepard is LT Commander Shepard...so i think he's maybe two ranks away from captain...i think, or so its says in the first mass effect

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Shepard is the XO of the Normandy. XO means Executive Officer, meaning the highest ranking individual aboard. Whenever you leave during ME1 (at places like the Citadel), you hear "XO Presly has command" which means that Presly is now the highest ranking individual aboard.

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No, Shepard is CO, the Commanding Officer, and is the highest ranking regardless of whether or not he is onboard. The XO is the second highest ranking officer of the ship, and takes command when the CO is not onboard.

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Shepard does start ME1 as the XO of the SR-1.I'm guessing that's where all the confusion is coming from.

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Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?
Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.
Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.
i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.
example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters
Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)

Just because you lack the mental faculties to understand the military chain of command does not make it a plothole. You can stick to the ME1 storyline if you wish, just be prepared to be disappointed in ME3 because it will follow the ME2 storyline instead of your own little fantasy.
Credits:
ME1: Magically got credits deposited into his wallet in real-time every time he killed a geth, husk, or merc. Or poked through a crate that was 50000 years old, but somehow managed to contain modern day currency.
ME2: Acitvely had to do something realistic to get his money, like complete missions and hack terminals.
Which one is the bigger plot hole?
Companions:
Some people mature with age, and become more useful. Until the fully optional DLC, Liara only played a very small and almost insignifant part in ME2. That does not make her the most important person in ME2. Loyalty missions are also fully optional. You dont have to do them

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IBPROFEN wrote...

Well, the way you posted I would think you have both games(ME&ME2). If so, I would think you would atleast register ME2.
So people wont think your a troll.

:whistle:i don't have to explain my presence. i am not a troll.:unsure:

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Netin wrote...

It doesn't seem like you fully understand how military ranks work.

The rank of an officer/soldier indicates the level of paygrade and what kind of authority within the military he/she has. Just because you command a ship doesn't mean you're automatically promoted to the rank of Captain, a Commander can very well be a ship's first in command.

The list of ranks in ascending order is: Lt. Commander > Commander > Captain.
Major is usually not used in navies, but rather in armies and air forces as a rank above Captain.

so there's no captain onboard the normandy SR2 if he's just a commander?
 LT Commander, COMMANDER, Captain (he sleeps in the Captain's Quarters right?)