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[Greybox_Inception]

annihilator27 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?

Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.

Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.

i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.

example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters

Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)

There is no logic in that post at all, And you understand Military structure and Ranks?

i totally do, all i know is there's no Captain Talimancer Janeway onboard the SR2 (the ship automatically states male shepard is the commanding officer/captain of the normandy). Privates or Corporals can't just suddenly become self-proclaim Captains. BASIC TRAINING (Recruit), Private, PVT 2nd class, PVT 1st class, Corporal, Cor 2nd class, 1st class, Sargent 2nd class, Sar 1st class, commissioned ranks; Ensign/2LT 2nd class, 1LT 1st class/Captain, LT. Commander/Major, Commander/LT Col, etc.

i was so friggin right. Anderson is supposed to be Admiral, someone's trying to demote/derank people of their proper ranks.

*activates onboard ship's A.I. system* "Computer, who's the commanding officer or captain of this ship? is there anyone else who's captain of this ship, or supposed to be captain?", Captain Shepard "you are captain shepard. no, no one else is authorized to be the commanding officer.", the ship "that's what i thought. thank you computer. carry on.", Captain Shepard
Shepard isn't a Lt. Commander, he's Captain/Colonel

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[Greybox_Inception]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?

Shepard isn't with the Alliance anymore.

He held the rank of Commander.

He was never promoted to Captain.

So they call him Commander Shepard. Not Captain Shepard.

the moment anderson stepped down as captain of the normandy in mass effect 1 is when shepard became captain of the normandy. he should have been promoted to captain and not given some pointless spectre title from the smurf aliens of insignificance. PLOTHOLE. 
in mass effect 1 that's when he should have been promoted to captain, not waiting to be promoted in Mass Effect 2.


mass effect is full of plot holes. he should have been promoted in mass effect 1, doesn't matter what inconsist crap mass effect 2 has (which is a major plothole by the way).

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:09 .

[Greybox_Inception]

snakeboy86 wrote...

eh what? if im not mistaken, shepard is LT Commander Shepard...so i think he's maybe two ranks away from captain...i think, or so its says in the first mass effect

this is what i am talking about. NO he is not. if he was LT Commander, he wouldn't been the one who commanded the normandy in mass effect 1 after a guy named CAPTAIN anderson stepped down, who should be admiral anderson now.

that's like a bunch of inexperienced interns who know nothing about what they're talking about trying to take over competent executives jobs by promoting themselves to their positions, not been official certified/trained to have the positions they want/claim.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:13 .

[xI extremist Ix]

Im not sure if you know this, but Shepard might have made a mistake when playing with a toaster in the bathtub and inadvertently died for and extended amount of time, where s(he) no longer received promotions in rank. But only if that had happened?

[Slayer299]

Greybox_Inception wrote...
i totally do, all i know is there's no Captain Janeway onboard the SR2. Privates or Corporals can't just suddenly become self-proclaim Captains. BASIC TRAINING (Recruit), Private, PVT 2nd class, PVT 1st class, Corporal, Cor 2nd class, 1st class, Sargent 2nd class, Sar 1st class, commissioned ranks; Ensign/2LT 2nd class, 1LT 1st class/Captain, LT. Commander/Major, Commander/LT Col, etc.

i was so friggin right. Anderson is supposed to be Admiral, someone's trying to demote/derank people of their proper ranks.

Shepard isn't a Lt. Commander, he's Captain/Colonel

What are you talking about? In ME1 Anderson *is* a Captain for his rank, not someone denied the rank of Adm. In ME2 Anderson is either the SA Councilor on the CC or he's an Admiral, having been promoted after the Battle of the Citadel.

WHere you should be looking for the rank structure for the SA is here . Shep's rank in ME1 was Lt. Comm and she was the XO of the Normandy. She never received a promotion to Staff Commander which was the next rank up after Lt. Comm. Any officer given command of a ship is given the title of "Captain" irregardless of their actual rank.

[Greybox_Inception]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?
Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.
Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.
i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.
example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters
Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)

Just because you lack the mental faculties to understand the military chain of command does not make it a plothole. You can stick to the ME1 storyline if you wish, just be prepared to be disappointed in ME3 because it will follow the ME2 storyline instead of your own little fantasy.
Credits:
ME1: Magically got credits deposited into his wallet in real-time every time he killed a geth (maybe they have bounties, or synthetic insights pay for their salvage parts since they're deactivated/neutralized), husk (you ony get EXP), or merc (you're thinking about mass effect 2). Or poked through a crate that was 50000 years old, but somehow managed to contain modern day currency (maybe you found a valuable artifact).
ME2: Acitvely had to do something realistic to get his money, like complete missions and hack terminals.
Which one is the bigger plot hole? Mass Effect 2.
Companions:
Some people mature with age, and become more useful. Until the fully optional DLC, Liara only played a very small and almost insignifant part in ME2. That does not make her the most important person in ME2. Loyalty missions are also fully optional. You dont have to do them (only if you want certain members to survive; miranda, jacob, garrus, zaeed, etc. don't know about le'zorah's loyalty mission)

i come from a military family, i've been surrounded by military people my entire life, hell my entire family is probably disappointed i didn't enlist in the U.S. Military. I know about the friggin military. 

i even had scout leaders who were from the military (cubscout to boyscouts, military people couching the scouts)

"hey little 2nd grader, when you're 18 in about a decade, enlist in the navy.", military people of 1995 advocating the military to a child, who liked the military then

[Greybox_Inception]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Im not sure if you know this, but Shepard might have made a mistake when playing with a toaster in the bathtub and inadvertently died for and extended amount of time, where s(he) no longer received promotions in rank. But only if that had happened?

i don't think shepard has time to take a bath, but need to watch out for the untaken dangerous trash.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:22 .

[Greybox_Inception]

Slayer299 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...
i totally do, all i know is there's no Captain Janeway onboard the SR2. Privates or Corporals can't just suddenly become self-proclaim Captains. BASIC TRAINING (Recruit), Private, PVT 2nd class, PVT 1st class, Corporal, Cor 2nd class, 1st class, Sargent 2nd class, Sar 1st class, commissioned ranks; Ensign/2LT 2nd class, 1LT 1st class/Captain, LT. Commander/Major, Commander/LT Col, etc.

i was so friggin right. Anderson is supposed to be Admiral, someone's trying to demote/derank people of their proper ranks.

Shepard isn't a Lt. Commander, he's Captain/Colonel

What are you talking about? In ME1 Anderson *is* a Captain for his rank, not someone denied the rank of Adm. In ME2 Anderson is either the SA Councilor on the CC or he's an Admiral, having been promoted after the Battle of the Citadel.

WHere you should be looking for the rank structure for the SA is here . Shep's rank in ME1 was Lt. Comm and she was the XO of the Normandy. She never received a promotion to Staff Commander which was the next rank up after Lt. Comm. Any officer given command of a ship is given the title of "Captain" irregardless of their actual rank.

he's not councilor if some other guy is selected, yet still called captain, not admiral. plothole much?
defualt shepard is not a female, he's a male.

[Greybox_Inception]

The Fan wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

*scratches head* ???

he shouldb't be called commander shepard, yet captain shepard.
 captain anderson does not command the normandy, right?

captain anderson 2 years later (mass effect 2) should atleast have the rank of admiral, admiral anderson+captain shepard = appropiate real ranks and no bull-crap powerplay foolery.



but imagine a out of no where salarian or female private suddenly wanting to be captains because they think they have the experience to command stuff, yet aren't even properly trained or authorized to use highly important equipment/controls of a ship (as in they don't know what they're doing, yet want to be in control of everything).

Going to start another rage thread buddy?

only if tali'zorah is a sqaud member in mass effect 3. the pointless clumsy albatross of mass casaulties death and destruction. they're better off being like Wrex, instead staying at their Quarian Fotila Migrant Fleet.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:26 .

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AlanC9 wrote...

Shepard does start ME1 as the XO of the SR-1.I'm guessing that's where all the confusion is coming from.

maybe bioware has flawed writers or something. maybe someone filtered their script to seem less realistic.

[Bogsnot1]

I'll put this in point form, as its the easiest way for you to understand. I apologise of I use words beyond your comprehension, but thats the way life is.

1) Mass Effect is a fictional game. Whilst the rank system may be based on real world insignia, there is nothing to say it is identical.

2) Just because someone steps down from command, does not give them an automatic promotion. Anderson is now either Councillor, or Ambassador. There is no need for him to bne promoted to Admiral, irrespective of what your little fantasies demand.

3) Shepard is listed under the Alliance ranks as Lt Commander. Traditionally, it does not matter what rank the person holds, the person who is in charge of the ship is referred to as "The Captain". This is also explained during Tali's loyalty mission. Right at the start, you know, when he gets called Captain?

4) Normandy SR-2 is not an Alliance vessel. Shepard can call himself what he wants.



The only holes that exist are the ones in your very flawed reasoning.

[Greybox_Inception]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I'll put this in point form, as its the easiest way for you to understand. I apologise of I use words beyond your comprehension, but thats the way life is.
1) Mass Effect is a fictional game. Whilst the rank system may be based on real world insignia, there is nothing to say it is identical.
2) Just because someone steps down from command, does not give them an automatic promotion. Anderson is now either Councillor, or Ambassador. There is no need for him to bne promoted to Admiral, irrespective of what your little fantasies demand.
3) Shepard is listed under the Alliance ranks as Lt Commander. Traditionally, it does not matter what rank the person holds, the person who is in charge of the ship is referred to as "The Captain". This is also explained during Tali's loyalty mission. Right at the start, you know, when he gets called Captain?
4) Normandy SR-2 is not an Alliance vessel. Shepard can call himself what he wants.

The only holes that exist are the ones in your very flawed reasoning.

well shepard hasn't stepped down command of anything. "and the ship says who is commading officer?" but the SR2 is based on Alliance schematics, infrignment.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:28 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Greybox, stop babbling incoherently.

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, and was never promoted.  Simple.  Did he deserve to be promoted? Yeah, sure. But you don't need the official rank of "captain" in order to command a ship.

It's incredibly inane that you call the whole second game a "plot hole". The plot itself being a plot hole...no, that doesn't really work.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 18 février 2011 - 06:28 .

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox, stop babbling incoherently.

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, and was never promoted. Did he deserve to be promoted? Yeah, sure. But you don't need the official rank of "captain" in order to command a ship.

It's incredibly inane that you call the whole second game a "plot hole". The plot itself being a plot hole...no, that doesn't really work.

dude, he wasn't LT. Commander. if he's LT Commander he wouldn't be commanding the normandy period. think. so if you don't need a official rank of captain, does that mean a random civilian/person/quarian is the commanding officer of the ship? does a ensign have more authority than a captain in regards of commanding a ship?

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:31 .

[AlanC9]

Greybox_Inception wrote...
i come from a military family, i've been surrounded by military people my entire life, hell my entire family is probably disappointed i didn't enlist in the U.S. Military. I know about the friggin military. 

And yet you're unaware that commanding a ship doesn't mean you have to be promoted to the rank of Captain. Not to mention the astoundingly confused babble of your first post.

[Greybox_Inception]

AlanC9 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...
i come from a military family, i've been surrounded by military people my entire life, hell my entire family is probably disappointed i didn't enlist in the U.S. Military. I know about the friggin military. 

And yet you're unaware that commanding a ship doesn't mean you have to be promoted to the rank of Captain. Not to mention the astoundingly confused babble of your first post.

so tali, who isn't even a official crew member, shouldn't even be onboard period (not even as a guest) is in command of the normandy? she doesn't have a rank. she has more authority than shepard? is she authorized to use his ship or would the ship itself deny tali as to taking command of anything? would tali or anyone else who isn't the captain be crazy and delusional believing they're in command of a ship that would state they have no authority/authorization to command?

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:40 .

[SSV Enterprise]

A random civilian can't officially command the ship -- only an officer can -- but technically yes, a lowly ensign could command the ship. The navy would likely never have an ensign do that, but it's possible.

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

A random civilian can't officially command the ship -- only an officer can -- but technically yes, a lowly ensign could command the ship. The navy would likely never have an ensign do that, but it's possible.

so you're saying a lowly inexperienced ensign has more authority than a certified/trained captain who's competent of his ship/rank?

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:37 .

[SSV Enterprise]

No. I'm saying that in the absence of an officer with the rank of captain, an ensign can command a ship. Or does no one command the ship at all when there is no captain? Say Captain Kirk suddenly died. Is no one in command of the Enterprise then?

[Slayer299]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox, stop babbling incoherently.

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, and was never promoted. Did he deserve to be promoted? Yeah, sure. But you don't need the official rank of "captain" in order to command a ship.

It's incredibly inane that you call the whole second game a "plot hole". The plot itself being a plot hole...no, that doesn't really work.

dude, he wasn't LT. Commander. if he's LT Commander he wouldn't be commanding the normandy period. think. so if you don't need a official rank of captain, does that mean a random civilian/person/quarian is the commanding officer of the ship? does a private have more authority than a captain in regards of commanding a ship?

Yes, he *was* a Lt. Comm, if you don't believe me then check out the wiki which clearly states his ranking of Lt. Comm., this was not a plot hole, only your blind obsession that it must be so.

And again, to burst your bubble, you do not need the official rank of captain to be given command of a navy ship. Lt. Comm to Rear Adm. You're being ridiculously obtuse about who can command a ship. Again, civilian ships also call the officer in charge of the ship, "Captain", not some random dude who just appears on the bridge and starts spouting orders.

I'm so glad you can call me inane over my disagreeing with you, does this mean I can call you a smelly Troll?

[chester013]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
How is not getting promoted a plothole? And when did Shep mosey on back to the Alliance? Did I miss the DLC?
Besides, Shepard is "the commander." That's just how people refer to him/her. It's part of his/her character.
Shep's a commander. Gotta command.

COMMANDER doesn't mean he's the one in command, a CAPTAIN has more authority/command than a Commander.
i going to stick with Mass Effect 1's story, he's still a Alliance Military guy, who haven't gotten his appropiate rank.
 Mass Effect 2 = plot hole.
example of plotholes
Mass Effect 1 = Tali & Liara being least significant characters
Mass effect 2 = Tali & Liara being the most important of all characters
Mass Effect 1 = shepard being alliance, no need to hack terminals for pay (more credits)
Mass Effect 2 = being with people he didn't agree with in Mass Effect 1, getting paid through hacking terminals (less credits)

Just because you lack the mental faculties to understand the military chain of command does not make it a plothole. You can stick to the ME1 storyline if you wish, just be prepared to be disappointed in ME3 because it will follow the ME2 storyline instead of your own little fantasy.
Credits:
ME1: Magically got credits deposited into his wallet in real-time every time he killed a geth (maybe they have bounties, or synthetic insights pay for their salvage parts since they're deactivated/neutralized), husk (you ony get EXP), or merc (you're thinking about mass effect 2). Or poked through a crate that was 50000 years old, but somehow managed to contain modern day currency (maybe you found a valuable artifact).
ME2: Acitvely had to do something realistic to get his money, like complete missions and hack terminals.
Which one is the bigger plot hole? Mass Effect 2.
Companions:
Some people mature with age, and become more useful. Until the fully optional DLC, Liara only played a very small and almost insignifant part in ME2. That does not make her the most important person in ME2. Loyalty missions are also fully optional. You dont have to do them (only if you want certain members to survive; miranda, jacob, garrus, zaeed, etc. don't know about le'zorah's loyalty mission)

i come from a military family, i've been surrounded by military people my entire life, hell my entire family is probably disappointed i didn't enlist in the U.S. Military. I know about the friggin military. 

i even had scout leaders who were from the military (cubscout to boyscouts, military people couching the scouts)

"hey little 2nd grader, when you're 18 in about a decade, enlist in the navy.", military people of 1995 advocating the military to a child, who liked the military then

Clearly you failed the entrance exams as you seem to lack even basic cognative faculties.

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

No. I'm saying that in the absence of an officer with the rank of captain, an ensign can command a ship. Or does no one command the ship at all when there is no captain? Say Captain Kirk suddenly died. Is no one in command of the Enterprise then?

 if the enterprise is programmed to respond to kirk and kirk only then his lesser ranked crew is crap out of luck as to trying to command something they want to eagerly command, right?

that reminds me of a star trek episode. a ensign having no clue of what to do, when their captain was missing, getting people killed with their inexperience. kill the captain to find out. try it.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 06:43 .

[Slayer299]

he's not councilor if some other guy is selected, yet still called captain, not admiral. plothole much?
defualt shepard is not a female, he's a male.

*sigh* Yes, if Udina (the other guy) is elected Councilor than Anderson is promoted later on to the rank of Admiral. How is this not clear to you?

And no, dude, your Shep is a male, not mine.

[chester013]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

A random civilian can't officially command the ship -- only an officer can -- but technically yes, a lowly ensign could command the ship. The navy would likely never have an ensign do that, but it's possible.

so you're saying a lowly inexperienced ensign has more authority than a certified/trained captain who's competent of his ship/rank?

Also I'm puzzeled as to why you think there's some kind of "captain school" in the Navy and you have to hang your diploma on the side of the boat otherwise your can't command a ship.

[Greybox_Inception]

Slayer299 wrote...

he's not councilor if some other guy is selected, yet still called captain, not admiral. plothole much?
defualt shepard is not a female, he's a male.

*sigh* Yes, if Udina (the other guy) is elected Councilor than Anderson is promoted later on to the rank of Admiral. How is this not clear to you?

And no, dude, your Shep is a male, not mine.

PLOTHOLE, Anderson should have been Admiral in Mass Effect 1 just as Shepard should have been called Captain and not a pointless imaginary spectre of insignificance.

the moment Captain Anderson handed Commander Shepard the normandy, is when Captain Shepard shoudl have been called Captain, and Admiral Anderson called Admiral.