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[SSV Enterprise]

Greybox_Inception wrote... 

if the enterprise is programmed to respond to kirk and kirk only then his lesser ranked crew is crap out of luck as to trying to command something they want to eagerly command, right?

that reminds me of a star trek episode. a ensign having no clue of what to do, when their captain was missing, getting people killed with their inexperience. kill the captain to find out. try it.

Except...the Enterprise isn't programmed to do that.  Nor the Normandy.  Nor any Systems Alliance ship or a modern naval vessel which the Alliance navy is modeled after.

Of course an ensign isn't the best person for a commanding officer; that's why he is an ensign.  The person with the highest rank present is usually the commanding officer.  But just because you have a low rank doesn't make it technically impossible to command a ship if no one else has a higher rank than you.

[Greybox_Inception]

chester013 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

A random civilian can't officially command the ship -- only an officer can -- but technically yes, a lowly ensign could command the ship. The navy would likely never have an ensign do that, but it's possible.

so you're saying a lowly inexperienced ensign has more authority than a certified/trained captain who's competent of his ship/rank?

Also I'm puzzeled as to why you think there's some kind of "captain school" in the Navy and you have to hang your diploma on the side of the boat otherwise your can't command a ship.

this is what i am talking about, there is a special school for people to become commissioned and certified. you have no idea what you're talking about, or doing.

here in america which is on earth, people who want to become commissioned goto westpoint/army academy and the annapolis/naval academy. ensign is the basic commsioned rank. in order to become captain, you have to start off as a ensign first, which means yes you do have to goto academies of commission. that's like getting your masters.

[SSV Enterprise]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

PLOTHOLE, Anderson should have been Admiral in Mass Effect 1 just as Shepard should have been called Captain and not a pointless imaginary spectre of insignificance.

the moment Captain Anderson handed Commander Shepard the normandy, is when Captain Shepard shoudl have been called Captain, and Admiral Anderson called Admiral.

No. A transfer does not equal a promotion.

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote... 

if the enterprise is programmed to respond to kirk and kirk only then his lesser ranked crew is crap out of luck as to trying to command something they want to eagerly command, right?

that reminds me of a star trek episode. a ensign having no clue of what to do, when their captain was missing, getting people killed with their inexperience. kill the captain to find out. try it.

Except...the Enterprise isn't programmed to do that.  Nor the Normandy.  Nor any Systems Alliance ship or a modern naval vessel which the Alliance navy is modeled after.

Of course an ensign isn't the best person for a commanding officer; that's why he is an ensign.  The person with the highest rank present is usually the commanding officer.  But just because you have a low rank doesn't make it technically impossible to command a ship if no one else has a higher rank than you.

yeah, a ensign could totally just like handle command of a ship.

so what is the point of EDI in Mass Effect 2? Is she not programmed to regconize shepard as commanding officer? what about the normandy's V.I. in Mass Effect 1? How come it knew shepard was the commanding officer and all, as if the ship's programmed to know who's in command/has proper authorization? even in star trek their star ships are programmed to know who's what, and where.

[Soahfreako]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?

Shepard isn't with the Alliance anymore.

He held the rank of Commander.

He was never promoted to Captain.

So they call him Commander Shepard. Not Captain Shepard.

the moment anderson stepped down as captain of the normandy in mass effect 1 is when shepard became captain of the normandy. he should have been promoted to captain and not given some pointless spectre title from the smurf aliens of insignificance. PLOTHOLE. 
in mass effect 1 that's when he should have been promoted to captain, not waiting to be promoted in Mass Effect 2.


mass effect is full of plot holes. he should have been promoted in mass effect 1, doesn't matter what inconsist crap mass effect 2 has (which is a major plothole by the way).

First off, I can't believe that I'm seeing this much fail since Zulu. Secondly, Just because he takes control of ONE ship doesn't automatically give him the rank of Captain. If I'm a private in the navy and I'm on a mission and all of a sudden the "Captain" of the mission dies, that doesn't earn me the title of Captain. and just because something that YOU WANT doesn't happen that doesn't make it a plothole.

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

PLOTHOLE, Anderson should have been Admiral in Mass Effect 1 just as Shepard should have been called Captain and not a pointless imaginary spectre of insignificance.

the moment Captain Anderson handed Commander Shepard the normandy, is when Captain Shepard shoudl have been called Captain, and Admiral Anderson called Admiral.

No. A transfer does not equal a promotion.

what are you talking about with transfer? what transfer? do you even know what you're talking about? Anderson never stated a transfer.

[Soahfreako]

Also, I'd like to point out that Military =/= Navy.

[MSparkyPants]

Must resist... urge to make... Firefly reference...

Cmdr. Shep is the commanding officer of the Normandy. He/she doesn't need to be a captain to accomplish this and it was deemed unnecessary. Plus Commander sounds so much moar better than Captain.
(Plus if anyone chose the Spacer background, their mum was referred to as Captain Shepard. That'd just make everything confusing and trippy.)

Edit. BioWare's in Canadia. So... they're going to be utilizing Canada's navy ranking system. Check Wikipedia.

Modifié par MSparkyPants, 18 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[Greybox_Inception]

Soahfreako wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?

Shepard isn't with the Alliance anymore.

He held the rank of Commander.

He was never promoted to Captain.

So they call him Commander Shepard. Not Captain Shepard.

the moment anderson stepped down as captain of the normandy in mass effect 1 is when shepard became captain of the normandy. he should have been promoted to captain and not given some pointless spectre title from the smurf aliens of insignificance. PLOTHOLE. 
in mass effect 1 that's when he should have been promoted to captain, not waiting to be promoted in Mass Effect 2.


mass effect is full of plot holes. he should have been promoted in mass effect 1, doesn't matter what inconsist crap mass effect 2 has (which is a major plothole by the way).

First off, I can't believe that I'm seeing this much fail since Zulu. Secondly, Just because he takes control of ONE ship doesn't automatically give him the rank of Captain. If I'm a private in the navy and I'm on a mission and all of a sudden the "Captain" of the mission dies, that doesn't earn me the title of Captain. and just because something that YOU WANT doesn't happen that doesn't make it a plothole.

first off, you're don't know what you're talking about, you're a seaman in the navy, not a private.
second, i don't know about a zulu (zulu has nothing to do with me period). and the captain doesn't have to do missions, he can just stay onboard his ship, and like the salarian privates to such a dangerous mission to get killed off, because they wanted to do the mission.

[AlanC9]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...
i come from a military family, i've been surrounded by military people my entire life, hell my entire family is probably disappointed i didn't enlist in the U.S. Military. I know about the friggin military. 

And yet you're unaware that commanding a ship doesn't mean you have to be promoted to the rank of Captain. Not to mention the astoundingly confused babble of your first post.

so tali, who isn't even a official crew member, shouldn't even be onboard period (not even as a guest) is in command of the normandy? she doesn't have a rank. she has more authority than shepard? is she authorized to use his ship or would the ship itself deny tali as to taking command of anything? would tali or anyone else who isn't the captain be crazy and delusional believing they're in command of a ship that would state they have no authority/authorization to command?

You do realize that you're the only person talking about putting Tali in command of the ship, right?

(Yeah, guys, I know, but it's amusing to take him seriously)

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 février 2011 - 06:57 .

[Slayer299]

*double sigh* Okay, look here. NO, Anderson should not have been an Admiral in ME1. He wasn't promoted to the rank of Admiral (If he's not the new Councilor that is) until the events between ME1 and ME2 -NOT PLOTHOLE! (See? I can use the CAPS key just like YOU!)

Again, when Lt. Comm. Shepard took command of the Normandy she was entitled to the title of "Captain" or even more informally "Skipper". I've seen reasons why she was referred to as Commander while onboard the Normandy but seeing your combative attitude I can tell that mentioning them would be wasted on you.

edit - And on that note I'm hitting the hay, I'm tired and wasting my time with you any further is rather pointless. You've made your mind up about everything being a plothole.

Modifié par Slayer299, 18 février 2011 - 06:59 .

[Soahfreako]

I'd also like to point out that the OP is trying to apply real situations to FICTIONAL UNIVERSES. I'm sick and tired of these QQ threads all crying about how the game isn't real, about how this or that could never happen. OF COURSE IT CAN'T, IT'S A GAME.

[Greybox_Inception]

MSparkyPants wrote...

Must resist... urge to make... Firefly reference...

Cmdr. Shep is the commanding officer of the Normandy. He/she doesn't need to be a captain to accomplish this and it was deemed unnecessary. Plus Commander sounds so much moar better than Captain.
(Plus if anyone chose the Spacer background, their mum was referred to as Captain Shepard. That'd just make everything confusing and trippy.)

well there's no captain janeway. what if shepard's mom has only spent 3 years in the military, how is she captain? she should be corporal right? she didn't goto captain school or starfleet academy. she's like a inexperienced cadet who'd get themselves blown up in space trying to fly a ship she knows nothing about, but just want to feel authorized.

[Soahfreako]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Captain and commander are military ranks. Shepard never actually got promoted to captain. Observe.

(Also, Commander Shepard just sounds better.)

because mass effect 2 is a plothole. if he reinstates himself with the alliance, he'd be instantly promoted to his appropiate rank.

and no it does not. "LT. Commander Shepard, it should be Captain Shepard, or Major Shepard since Captain/Major ranks are the same exact rank/level (Navy/Army, still Military), but commander the lesser rank sounds better"

how about Major Shepard, which is a rank eqaul to Captain?

Shepard isn't with the Alliance anymore.

He held the rank of Commander.

He was never promoted to Captain.

So they call him Commander Shepard. Not Captain Shepard.

the moment anderson stepped down as captain of the normandy in mass effect 1 is when shepard became captain of the normandy. he should have been promoted to captain and not given some pointless spectre title from the smurf aliens of insignificance. PLOTHOLE. 
in mass effect 1 that's when he should have been promoted to captain, not waiting to be promoted in Mass Effect 2.


mass effect is full of plot holes. he should have been promoted in mass effect 1, doesn't matter what inconsist crap mass effect 2 has (which is a major plothole by the way).

First off, I can't believe that I'm seeing this much fail since Zulu. Secondly, Just because he takes control of ONE ship doesn't automatically give him the rank of Captain. If I'm a private in the navy and I'm on a mission and all of a sudden the "Captain" of the mission dies, that doesn't earn me the title of Captain. and just because something that YOU WANT doesn't happen that doesn't make it a plothole.

first off, you're don't know what you're talking about, you're a seaman in the navy, not a private.
second, i don't know about a zulu (zulu has nothing to do with me period). and the captain doesn't have to do missions, he can just stay onboard his ship, and like the salarian privates to such a dangerous mission to get killed off, because they wanted to do the mission.

That doesn't make my point invalid, you're not getting promoted because the commanding officer is suddenly gone. Period.

[Soahfreako]

ZOMG PLOTHOLE: The Reapers can't actually fly, I know because I am a reaper expert and my family used to raise Reapers and such.

[Bogsnot1]

Greybox_Inception wrote...
dude, he wasn't LT. Commander. if he's LT Commander he wouldn't be commanding the normandy period. think. so if you don't need a official rank of captain, does that mean a random civilian/person/quarian is the commanding officer of the ship? does a ensign have more authority than a captain in regards of commanding a ship?

If you knew as much about the military as you claim, you would know that a ships captain can officially order a visiting admiral about, even have him arrested and thrown into the brig if he makes too much of a fuss. On the ship acting captain (regardless of actual rank) is king.

As myself, and others have pointed out, your reasoning and rational is flawed, and you barely make sense at the best of times. Its clear you have a bug up your arse about the direction Bioware decided to take with their own creation. Its their IP, not yours, and irrespective of how many "cool ideas" you sent them, they are the ones calling the shots and deciding where to go with it. If you dont like it, stop playing. Noone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to play the game. You can shelve it at any time. The fact that you dont, and come onto the forums and vent means you are an attention seeking troll, with the charm, intelligence, wit and social graces of a pubic louse.

[SSV Enterprise]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

yeah, a ensign could totally just like handle command of a ship.

so what is the point of EDI in Mass Effect 2? Is she not programmed to regconize shepard as commanding officer? what about the normandy's V.I. in Mass Effect 1? How come it knew shepard was the commanding officer and all, as if the ship's programmed to know who's in command/has proper authorization? even in star trek their star ships are programmed to know who's what, and where.

Recognize?  Sure.  That doesn't mean EDI or the VI forces the ship to be only commanded by Shepard.  Who do you think commands the ship when Shepard is away on missions?

Greybox_Inception wrote...

what are you talking about with transfer? what transfer? do you even know what you're talking about? Anderson never stated a transfer.

Are you really this stupid?  A transfer is when a military officer is sent from one posting to another.  Anderson stepping down from commanding the Normandy was a transfer, and a transfer does not automatically come with a promotion.

[Soahfreako]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...
dude, he wasn't LT. Commander. if he's LT Commander he wouldn't be commanding the normandy period. think. so if you don't need a official rank of captain, does that mean a random civilian/person/quarian is the commanding officer of the ship? does a ensign have more authority than a captain in regards of commanding a ship?

If you knew as much about the military as you claim, you would know that a ships captain can officially order a visiting admiral about, even have him arrested and thrown into the brig if he makes too much of a fuss. On the ship acting captain (regardless of actual rank) is king.

As myself, and others have pointed out, your reasoning and rational is flawed, and you barely make sense at the best of times. Its clear you have a bug up your arse about the direction Bioware decided to take with their own creation. Its their IP, not yours, and irrespective of how many "cool ideas" you sent them, they are the ones calling the shots and deciding where to go with it. If you dont like it, stop playing. Noone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to play the game. You can shelve it at any time. The fact that you dont, and come onto the forums and vent means you are an attention seeking troll, with the charm, intelligence, wit and social graces of a pubic louse.

ZOMG PLOTHOLE: You actually know what you're talking about, how....can....this....BE?!

[Greybox_Inception]

Slayer299 wrote...

*double sigh* Okay, look here. NO, Anderson should not have been an Admiral in ME1. He wasn't promoted to the rank of Admiral (If he's not the new Councilor that is) until the events between ME1 and ME2 -NOT PLOTHOLE! (See? I can use the CAPS key just like YOU!)

Again, when Lt. Comm. Shepard took command of the Normandy she was entitled to the title of "Captain" or even more informally "Skipper". I've seen reasons why she was referred to as Commander while onboard the Normandy but seeing your combative attitude I can tell that mentioning them would be wasted on you.

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain. does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

"what to do, i just want to play captain in space. i haven't been trained. i don't know this ****. i'm still trying to figure out how you use certain stuff on this ship, but i'm captain", Captain Barbie in space.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 18 février 2011 - 07:05 .

[Soahfreako]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

*double sigh* Okay, look here. NO, Anderson should not have been an Admiral in ME1. He wasn't promoted to the rank of Admiral (If he's not the new Councilor that is) until the events between ME1 and ME2 -NOT PLOTHOLE! (See? I can use the CAPS key just like YOU!)

Again, when Lt. Comm. Shepard took command of the Normandy she was entitled to the title of "Captain" or even more informally "Skipper". I've seen reasons why she was referred to as Commander while onboard the Normandy but seeing your combative attitude I can tell that mentioning them would be wasted on you.

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain, does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

Plothole, plothole, plothole. Is my point being solidified by the amount of times I say plothole?

[MSparkyPants]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

MSparkyPants wrote...

Must resist... urge to make... Firefly reference...

Cmdr. Shep is the commanding officer of the Normandy. He/she doesn't need to be a captain to accomplish this and it was deemed unnecessary. Plus Commander sounds so much moar better than Captain.
(Plus if anyone chose the Spacer background, their mum was referred to as Captain Shepard. That'd just make everything confusing and trippy.)

well there's no captain janeway. what if shepard's mom has only spent 3 years in the military, how is she captain? she should be corporal right? she didn't goto captain school or starfleet academy. she's like a inexperienced cadet who'd get themselves blown up in space trying to fly a ship she knows nothing about, but just want to feel authorized.

Military rankings are awarded based on individual merit, not how long one spends in the service. So three years does not equal a boost in pay grade and command.

From le ME Wiki:

Spacer: Both of your parents were in the Alliance
military. Your childhood was spent on ships and stations as they
transferred from posting to posting, never staying in one location for
more than a few years. Following in your parent's footsteps, you
enlisted at the age of eighteen.


Secondly, we don't know if she went to "Captain School". From what little we know of her actual history, I'd venture to assume she did not, but I don't have the credentials to state that as fact and neither do you.

In regards to the rest of your post, I would've liked to respond, but tone down your trolling. You're making it too obvious to have fun.

Modifié par MSparkyPants, 18 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain. does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

"what to do, i just want to play captain in space. i haven't been trained. i don't know this ****. i'm still trying to figure out how you use certain stuff on this ship, but i'm captain", Captain Barbie in space.

...no. You do not automatically get promoted every year in the military.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 18 février 2011 - 07:06 .

[Soahfreako]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain. does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

"what to do, i just want to play captain in space. i haven't been trained. i don't know this ****. i'm still trying to figure out how you use certain stuff on this ship, but i'm captain", Captain Barbie in space.

...no. You do not automatically get promoted every year in the military.

Is that a real life plothole?! GASP! Unfathomable! That just blew my mind.

[Greybox_Inception]

Soahfreako wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

*double sigh* Okay, look here. NO, Anderson should not have been an Admiral in ME1. He wasn't promoted to the rank of Admiral (If he's not the new Councilor that is) until the events between ME1 and ME2 -NOT PLOTHOLE! (See? I can use the CAPS key just like YOU!)

Again, when Lt. Comm. Shepard took command of the Normandy she was entitled to the title of "Captain" or even more informally "Skipper". I've seen reasons why she was referred to as Commander while onboard the Normandy but seeing your combative attitude I can tell that mentioning them would be wasted on you.

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain, does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

Plothole, plothole, plothole. Is my point being solidified by the amount of times I say plothole?

naw dude. it'd be a plothole if women from the oxygen network directed the world series because they're suddenly interested in the MLB, and believe they can do better than the guys who are professionals.

[Greybox_Inception]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

let's say if this was the actual military. each year in the military you're promoted to a rank. CAPTAIN Anderson after 2 or 3 years being captain still isn't Admiral (pre-mass effect 1, mass effect 1, & mass effect 2), the next rank to captain. does that not scream plothole?

my attitude is technical, and logical... not combative. "so corporal who pretending to be captain janeway, how would you avoid getting your ship trapped in a blackhole/singularity, where as in captain school you're trained to know that (or to learn as much as possible about a ship's technology and astro-science), but you didn't goto captain school, you're a corporal who's now suddenly captain janeway? would you freak out and get your entire crew/ship destroyed (thinking like a quarian) or remain calm and perform effective solutions", Sarcasm.

"what to do, i just want to play captain in space. i haven't been trained. i don't know this ****. i'm still trying to figure out how you use certain stuff on this ship, but i'm captain", Captain Barbie in space.

...no. You do not automatically get promoted every year in the military.

that's if you're not properly advancing yourself. you can. year 1 private, year 2 private 2nd class/1st class, year 3 corporal, year 5-10 sargent, and from sargent you're qaulified to apply for commision to then goto a miitary academy to further your ranks, year 5-6 LT/Ensign *commissioned*.