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[Dean_the_Young]

FaargAnNorgnal wrote...

Or the Alliance Marine Corps isn't anything like the United States one.

That too, but why mess with the second-to-best? 


Honestly, though, the Alliance pretty nakedly borrows from the USMC in a lot of respects.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Boot camp is designed to break your personal identity and make you identify as a Marine. People who would resist it, don't ascend.

No iteration of Shepard that I know of acts like this, given how important personal identity is, so possibly the problem is that ME1 was just made unrealistically. Either that, or Shepard's will is strong enough that she was able to reassert herself when outside of the Marine chain of command relatively easily.

Or, more likely, you've not experienced or seen any such aspect of that sort of conditioning, and so it doesn't reflect in your characters.

It's not a flaw in the game, really, since the game never states your position of outright placing the Council above the Alliance.

Heck, to date the game's never provided a 'side with the Council instead of the Alliance' path.

True, though I suspect some people would claim that saving the Destiny Ascension would count as such.

[Dean_the_Young]

They can also claim that saving the Destiny Ascension was the tactically superior move, even though the game more or less heavy-handidly told us which one would get us to Sovereign with more forces intact.



There's nothing in the lead-up Paragon path about the Council being outright over the Alliance, or in that choice itself, or in any of the post-choice. People can claim it, but Paragon Shepard is a 'cooperation with the Aliens,' not a 'let the Aliens remain superior.'

[Xilizhra]

My Shepard doesn't have a particular stake in nonhuman superiority, she just wants to protect as much of the galaxy as possible. Fear not.

[FaargAnNorgnal]

Xilizhra wrote...

My Shepard doesn't have a particular stake in nonhuman superiority, she just wants to protect as much of the galaxy as possible. Fear not.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

[Xilizhra]

FaargAnNorgnal wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My Shepard doesn't have a particular stake in nonhuman superiority, she just wants to protect as much of the galaxy as possible. Fear not.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

The Renegade galaxy is looking a lot more like Hell than the Paragon one, right down to the red lighting.

[FaargAnNorgnal]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Renegade galaxy is looking a lot more like Hell than the Paragon one, right down to the red lighting.

That's a matter of perspective. I think it is looking a lot better. Humanity has grown stronger, her enemies weaker, and the Spectres have been reigned in.

[Xilizhra]

FaargAnNorgnal wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Renegade galaxy is looking a lot more like Hell than the Paragon one, right down to the red lighting.

That's a matter of perspective. I think it is looking a lot better. Humanity has grown stronger, her enemies weaker, and the Spectres have been reigned in.

REINED!! IT'S "REINED IN!!!" ARGLEFLARGLE

Ahem.

And this, my friends, is why Renegades aren't getting screwed over. It's a matter of perspective.

[FaargAnNorgnal]

Xilizhra wrote...

REINED!! IT'S "REINED IN!!!" ARGLEFLARGLE

Oh my goodness, don't I feel stupid.

At least I learned something today.

Xilizhra wrote...

And this, my friends, is why Renegades aren't getting screwed over. It's a matter of perspective.

I would argue that the primary way renegades get cheated is a lack of bonus content carrying over their decisions. That's another thread entirely though.

[Xilizhra]

Oh my goodness, don't I feel stupid.



At least I learned something today.

Don't feel stupid, it's repeated so goddess-damned often that it's not at all surprising you'd think that that's what it'd actually be.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

TIM's actions thusfar show that he's arguably the only organization/power not indoctrinated. He's the only one actively opposing the Reapers. If he were indoctrinated, he wouldn't be fighting against them... and he certainly wouldn't resurrect Shepard. Too big of a stretch.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

My Shepard doesn't have a particular stake in nonhuman superiority, she just wants to protect as much of the galaxy as possible. Fear not.

If she felt that, she would have focused her maximum strength on the genocidal supermachine that was immenently about to open the portal to dark space, opening the galaxy to the Reaper hoarde and seeing the complete genocide of all species now and for every cycle to follow.

Your Shepard did not do that, and instead threw away ships from the strike force that could fight Sovereign in order to protect and preserve the galactic status quo.

I see no grounding in your claim that your Shepard wants to give the galaxy it's best chances for survival irregardless of politics when you subverted just that.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh my goodness, don't I feel stupid.

At least I learned something today.

Don't feel stupid, it's repeated so goddess-damned often that it's not at all surprising you'd think that that's what it'd actually be.

Well, if there's any doubt you're an Asari phile, using a fictional minor pantheon from a work of fiction sort of proves it.