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[AlexXIV]

JigPig wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins has been the best medivial-fantasy game in AGEs. I'd almost say since BG2. That people don't like it for one reason or another is more about it not really being their genre than it being a bad game or anything.

[svendigo]

The graphics seemed fine.

[AllThatJazz]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

Exactly, the people here trying to say graphics don't matter at all are deluded full stop. One guy says he wouldn't mind if DA2 was 2D and had Atari graphics. Talk about self denial.

Er, maybe some people actually feel that way, even if you don't. It isn't that big a deal to not give a crap what things look like, is it? I'd call it a difference in priorities rather than denial.  

[Skilled Seeker]

A Turkey Frog wrote...

Graphic w***** are some of the most annoying type of gamers. You can never please them. Yes DA2's graphics are not on par with the Witcher 2, or Skyrim. If that is all you care about and can't enjoy a game without amazing graphics you are shallow. For a game to be good to me it has to have a good balance of gameplay, story, and to some extent graphics. I think DA2 has all of those things so I'm sure I will enjoy this game immensely and so will many others despite the "horrible" graphics.

Other than the OP's trolling, you'll find there are no graphics wh*res here, just people like me saying graphics add to a game and then people like you jumping the gun and assuming that makes us graphics wh*res and its all we care about.

[Mad-Max90]

You guys do realize thet every other game you guys are comparing it to have had a much longer prodution time

[Skilled Seeker]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

Exactly, the people here trying to say graphics don't matter at all are deluded full stop. One guy says he wouldn't mind if DA2 was 2D and had Atari graphics. Talk about self denial.

Er, maybe some people actually feel that way, even if you don't. It isn't that big a deal to not give a crap what things look like, is it? I'd call it a difference in priorities rather than denial.  

I'm talking about denial as in believing such a game would be well received and make lots of money in today's world. The denialists are those saying graphics don't matter. This might be the case for them, but it most certainly isn't the case overall.

[A Turkey Frog]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

A Turkey Frog wrote...

Graphic w***** are some of the most annoying type of gamers. You can never please them. Yes DA2's graphics are not on par with the Witcher 2, or Skyrim. If that is all you care about and can't enjoy a game without amazing graphics you are shallow. For a game to be good to me it has to have a good balance of gameplay, story, and to some extent graphics. I think DA2 has all of those things so I'm sure I will enjoy this game immensely and so will many others despite the "horrible" graphics.

Other than the OP's trolling, you'll find there are no graphics wh*res here, just people like me saying graphics add to a game and then people like you jumping the gun and assuming that makes us graphics wh*res and its all we care about.

I said graphic wh*res in general. I didn't target anyone specifally.

[Morducai]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Morducai wrote...
HUZZA!!! "Lets all base an opinion from a single screenshot." Said the person who obviously played through the game. You're an idiot. Go crawl back into your basement and have mommy send you hot pockets through the dumb waiter. 

Yeah, so much respect to those, whose opinion is different than yours.
After reading this comment, I think that you are the one who's an idiot and suggest you crawling back into your basement.

While I am not going to argue that opinions can't be wrong but they can be idiotic. Why doesn't he just wait for the game to come out and to actually play through it before starting on his rant. 

My comments were trying to show how moronic that type of behavior is. To me it's no different then generalizing entire group of people. Let's just wait for the game to come then start our ****ing. But to give a game **** before it's even in the public's hands is just plain crazy. If the game is crap then believe me that I will be the first person in front of the fan with a bucket of ****.You know man, like the OP, I have huge reservation about this game but you know what? BioWare hasn't disappointed me yet so I am willing to give them some rope in that matter. 

Modifié par Morducai, 18 février 2011 - 04:09 .

[Nerevar-as]

It seems console graphics are better, but I really hope PC screens are low settings or earlier builds. Armor detail from the recent videos look like a shirt painted over. I usually don´t care too much about the graphics, but a sequel with more or less same engine and worse graphics means devs didn´t care enough.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 18 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[JJDrakken]

Trolling is fun...

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JJ

[AllThatJazz]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

Exactly, the people here trying to say graphics don't matter at all are deluded full stop. One guy says he wouldn't mind if DA2 was 2D and had Atari graphics. Talk about self denial.

Er, maybe some people actually feel that way, even if you don't. It isn't that big a deal to not give a crap what things look like, is it? I'd call it a difference in priorities rather than denial.  

I'm talking about denial as in believing such a game would be well received and make lots of money in today's world. The denialists are those saying graphics don't matter. This might be the case for them, but it most certainly isn't the case overall.

Comparatively it might. Such a game would be dirt cheap to make, and there's a  small but definitely committed group of hardcore RPG'ers who would happily buy it, especially if such a game was advertised right (on places like the RPG Codex and such). The actual profit wouldn't be anywhere near as big, granted, but the ratio of profit to production cost? Could be awesome. And for a game which cost relative pennies to get out there.  It may be a niche market, but it's there. 

[Mad-Max90]

Look at the wii's fanbase , they love wii games even though the graphics are like an upgraded gamecube, why because the gameplay is fun. /thread

[grim_reaper_13]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

I would buy both game 1 and game 2.

[djarlaks10]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

I would buy both game 1 and game 2.

Yes, and I'll do the same 
But there are those who can afford only one game, and there's a higher chance of them getting only Game 2 and renting Game 1, which means less profit for Game 1's devs.

[Skilled Seeker]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, come on, graphics do matter in some extent. For example, Game 1 and Game 2 both have great storylines, interesting characters and gameplay, but the Game 2's graphics are much better than it's competitor. So, I assume that most people will mostly likely buy the Game 2 because, while having the same great storyline. it also packs some nice graphics.
So, when so many good RPGs are coming out this year (because of this, the competition is quite high) I don't get why Bioware decided to have so retarded graphics and tell that it's some sort of special artstyle (I'm not following the DA2 info very attentively, but I do remember some interview where an employee said exactly that)

Exactly, the people here trying to say graphics don't matter at all are deluded full stop. One guy says he wouldn't mind if DA2 was 2D and had Atari graphics. Talk about self denial.

Er, maybe some people actually feel that way, even if you don't. It isn't that big a deal to not give a crap what things look like, is it? I'd call it a difference in priorities rather than denial.  

I'm talking about denial as in believing such a game would be well received and make lots of money in today's world. The denialists are those saying graphics don't matter. This might be the case for them, but it most certainly isn't the case overall.

Comparatively it might. Such a game would be dirt cheap to make, and there's a  small but definitely committed group of hardcore RPG'ers who would happily buy it, especially if such a game was advertised right (on places like the RPG Codex and such). The actual profit wouldn't be anywhere near as big, granted, but the ratio of profit to production cost? Could be awesome. And for a game which cost relative pennies to get out there.  It may be a niche market, but it's there. 

Bioware isn't a small indie developer. They are a top AAA studio and are expectated to make lots of profit for EA. You can't compare a Java browser game to this. Look at all the negativity DA: Legends has received from the community and you think a game even worse than this would do well? 

Are you telling me if you had the choice between an ATARI DA2 and the real DA2, you wouldn't care which one you played? Because thats what the person I quoted was saying.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 18 février 2011 - 04:22 .

[masseffect706]

wait, so you say dragon age origins was one of your favourite games...

yeah, because dragon age origins had amazing graphics?

i hate it when people judge games on graphics.

besides, I think some of those screen shots look pretty good.

[djarlaks10]

Also, to those who say that fancy graphics are completely useless: if Bioware made the HD-remake of BG 1&2 where everything except the graphics remained the same as the original, would you buy it or say:"Meh, I don't give a **** about graphics and I'd rather struggle with the original while othres are playing the exact game but with much better graphics"?

[SultryVulcan]

Deadmac wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Again, why do some thread starters never return to discuss the crap they posted? Regardless, if they are trolls or not.

Because most of the times, they are trolls.

Teknor wrote...
Yep it is trolling.

The Lesser Evil wrote...
I liked the "nearly as big as his
arm" comment in reference to the sword, with the arrow pointing toward
the arm of an obviously female Hawke. Good one, Troll/Trollette.

Teknor wrote...
Graphics are good. OP is either trolling or misguided.

Dubya75 wrote...
TROLLING....

Uomoz1987 wrote...
Troll /thread

So, do you folks have anything 'constructive' to add to the topic, or are you 'trolling' in a discriminative manner because you hate other people's opinions or criticisms? If you folks cannot handle another person's opinion, do not bother going to college for anything. Critiques are a way of life. You either embrace a diverse world, or you folks should move to the moon.

What do you folks have to contribute?

Finished college back in 84.
So the OP's point is that he's not getting the game cause the graphics suck, and he want's everyone on this forum to know that he thinks the graphic suck?
Is he trying to convince poeple to not get the game cause the graphics suck?
I'm buying the game because I want to....period.
Epic Fail...

[nightcobra]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Also, to those who say that fancy graphics are completely useless: if Bioware made the HD-remake of BG 1&2 where everything except the graphics remained the same as the original, would you buy it or say:"Meh, I don't give a **** about graphics and I'd rather struggle with the original while othres are playing the exact game but with much better graphics"?

only if they also add 3rd person perpective, i've grown tired of the isometric look of rpgs of that time.

[Eshme]

JigPig wrote...

who'd you believe now lol

[Skilled Seeker]

lol nice one Eshme.

[Walker White]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I'm talking about denial as in believing such a game would be well received and make lots of money in today's world. The denialists are those saying graphics don't matter. This might be the case for them, but it most certainly isn't the case overall.

This is not the issue.  The issue is whether the money spent making the graphics better in addition to all of the other technical features (e.g. dialogue, gameplay, etc.) justifies the return on investment.  The level of graphics that some of the people want on this thread are an extreme adjustment for an in-house engine like this.  To get that level of detail, most places will license an engine from someone else (Crysis, Source, Unreal), where the graphics development costs have been amortized over several games  Exhibit A: Mass Effect 2.  

But then there are the engineering challenges of adapting that engine to your game.  DA is not a shooter, so the engine would require significant changes.  And sometimes that is as expensive as building it yourself.

DA:O had horrible graphics and sold nearly 4 million copies.  How much more do we think better graphics would have made this figure?  And is the revenue from that enough to justify the cost?  That is the only question that matters.

Based on anecdotal evidence, I do think that the graphics issue is a generation gap issue.  My generation (which is a lot older than most people on this board) have contempt for games that stress eye candy over gameplay.

[SultryVulcan]

Eshme wrote...

JigPig wrote...

who'd you believe now lol

401 ratings vs 1047 ratings, apparently a lot more people disliked DA than TW.
Why don't you tell me, since I obviously can't make an informed decision!

[JJDrakken]

Eshme wrote...

JigPig wrote...

who'd you believe now lol

roflwaffles


JJ

[Walker White]

SultryVulcan wrote...

401 ratings vs 1047 ratings, apparently a lot more people disliked DA than TW.

I don't want to get in the DA vs. Witcher argument, but these types of arguments make me cringe.  Don't let your statistics teacher see that.