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[ratzerman]

Abispa wrote...

As a "survivor," I have NEVER been happy with how Shepard seems to have no real chance to express any real emotional misgivings about working for Cerberus.

I've never been happy with that either. My Shep is a survivor, and a loyal Marine, and she HATED working for Cerberus. She wouldn't even wear the uniform. She spent the whole game wearing those farmer clothes, lol.

Lets just hope we'll get a chance to re-join the Alliance in ME3. But I doubt it'll happen.

[Abispa]

My "favorite" part of ME2 is still that touching reunion on Horizon.

*sniffle*

Even with Hale's performance, Shepard is still a dick.

[AkiKishi]

Abispa wrote...

My "favorite" part of ME2 is still that touching reunion on Horizon.
*sniffle*
Even with Hale's performance, Shepard is still a dick.

I think you could say the same about the VS. Still not telling people you are alive after 2 years is really dickish ,especially if they were supposed to be friends/LI's.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 19 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[Abispa]

The VS's reaction is the only REAL believable part of that scene. If you've played through ME1, you've seen dozens of sick and twisted biological experiments, a faithful Alliance admiral get murdered, and arrested several mad scientists who worked for Cerberus. You know, the organization whose slogan is "Everyday We Create Something That Can Destroy Humanity! Who Needs Reapers?" The VS had every believable reason in the world to doubt Shepard's motives. It's all the other characters like Chakwas and Tali, with their "Shepard is so cool, s/he can shrug off anything" attitudes that seem odd to me.

[ratzerman]

Ughhhh..... Shepard is a TOTAL dick on Horizon.



"It'll be just like old times!!"



And that's the PARAGON response? I felt like such a douche.

[Abispa]

Wait as second, I think I've stumbled on to the TRUE reason TIM wants you to take out the Reapers. Professional rivalry. HE wants to be the one to destroy humanity, dammit!

[AkiKishi]

Abispa wrote...

The VS's reaction is the only REAL believable part of that scene. If you've played through ME1, you've seen dozens of sick and twisted biological experiments, a faithful Alliance admiral get murdered, and arrested several mad scientists who worked for Cerberus. You know, the organization whose slogan is "Everyday We Create Something That Can Destroy Humanity! Who Needs Reapers?" The VS had every believable reason in the world to doubt Shepard's motives. It's all the other characters like Chakwas and Tali, with their "Shepard is so cool, s/he can shrug off anything" attitudes that seem odd to me.

It was very in character but that does not mean the character is not acting like a dick. As Shepard I would expect more, especially as I dragged them off Vermire.

But from their perspective I find nothing to disagree with.

Is this from one of the books?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 19 février 2011 - 03:58 .

[Abispa]

@ Ratzerman -- S/he probably would have just stood there speechless or mumbling if s/he hadn't stolen that line from Joker.

[AkiKishi]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Seriously, for the most part of ME2 Shepard was just a colorless plot device. No bueno

Not going to disagree. But it was the same in ME1 so I'm not really seeing why anyone expected it to be any different..

[Abispa]

@ BobSmith101 -- I don't waste time with the books. I mean, look at their video game history. Cerberus was creating runaway Rachni, uncontrollable Thorian creepers, a human-VI hybrid that almost takes over the extranet, ambushing Alliance soldiers with dangerous creatures, and enslaving biotic children that produced a super-powered mass murderer.

[ratzerman]

Abispa wrote...

@ Ratzerman -- S/he probably would have just stood there speechless or mumbling if s/he hadn't stolen that line from Joker.

Heh.... don't get me started on Joker. If he had simply followed Shep's orders and evacuated the SR1....

But nooooooo..... "I CAN STILL SAVE HER!!!"
:pinched:

[Abispa]

Hey, Ratzerman! Watch the arm!

[Yana Montana]

I agree with Ratz.

Silly, silly Joker... <_<

Modifié par Yana Montana, 19 février 2011 - 04:06 .

[ratzerman]

Abispa wrote...

Hey, Ratzerman! Watch the arm!

Fine!  Save yourself then....

*takes escape pod with Liara and lives happily ever after*

[Cyberstrike nTo]

ratzerman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
If someone who you had not seen for 2 years told you they had been dead and just recently got better. What would be your reaction?

It's not the reactions of others that bother me. It's Shepard. She just sorta accepts the fact that she's been brought back from the dead. The psychological, emotional, and religious implications of that are HUGE. But she shrugs it off like it's nothing.

"Yeah, I died.... but now I'm alive.... so, you know.... whatevs."
:blink:

If you play as a female Shepard and you have a relationship with Jacob (of all people) the psycological and emotional issues are brought up come up and you can pick Shepard's pychological and/or emotional problems and her responses to it.

The religious issues not so much since Shepard refers to the lost 2 years as "being in some kind of coma" (maybe that is how Shepard sees it) on Horizon to Ash/Kaiden.

[AkiKishi]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Shepard's problems in ME1 were not as serious really. I can understand how a person can stay calm and concentrated through the events of the 1st game. But after dying and being brought back to life and then being forced into alliance with some dickish organisation i expect to see some emotion. At least an option to acknowledge the supposed frustration, which wasn't there until we got LotSB.

You could say ME1 hardened him up. I don't know what the religious situation is in ME regarding humans. 
The Cerberus thing was very forced writing and if the goal was just to investigate really not needed at all. The ship was nice though.

[Abispa]

@ Ratzerman -- The Collector who've gotten their butts handed to them if Joker stayed on board. The ending of ME2 proved that he can pull a Rambo.

[ratzerman]

Yana Montana wrote...

I agree with Ratz.

Silly, silly Joker... <_<

ohai Yana!

*hugs infront of everyone omg pda*

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Shepard's problems in ME1 were not as serious really. I can understand how a person can stay calm and concentrated through the events of the 1st game. But after dying and being brought back to life and then being forced into alliance with some dickish organisation i expect to see some emotion. At least an option to acknowledge the supposed frustration, which wasn't there until we got LotSB.

This.

Funny how a two-hour DLC suddenly puts some humanity into the protagonist, as opposed to the main game.

[Abispa]

@ Fiery Pheonix -- Amen.

[Yana Montana]

ratzerman wrote...
ohai Yana!

*hugs infront of everyone omg pda*

[ratzerman]

Abispa wrote...

@ Fiery Pheonix -- Amen.

Amen from me as well.

[Merchant2006]

I still find it unforgivable how my Sole Survivor Shepard couldn't even tell the Illusive Man to go f*** himself in the a****** because of what happened back in Akuze. Not one. Single. Damn. Mention. NOT ONE! I had to wait for LotSB for an ASARI to QUESTION why I was working with Cerberus. And Shepard gives some bollock derp reply to that. Shepard is indeed a major brick at times. You'd have thought BioWare gave us the option of really lashing out and Jacob, Miranda and all things Cerberus considering Shepards past, heck I made my Sole Survivor Shep wipe out Miranda/Jacob and have them die and give the finger to TIM in the ending.

But no, I didn't get that. And I totally agree with Abispa regarding Shepard. Not one question about Kohoku, not a single "Miranda, shut the f*** up you racist b****" or tell Jacob to keep his goddamn mouth shut, but nope. Not a single rage moment from Shepard.



Here's hoping ME3 allows us more interaction with our 'background' and it actually makes some difference in the game. Oh and Shepard isn't a total moron, that too.