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Eterna1Soldier wrote...]

As for your "atrocious writing" - please explain. Do you mean poor sentence structure? Limited vocabulary use? Because I read a lot. I know bad writing when I see it. That wasn't the problem with Flood. It was the constant combat. There was so much writing about MC in firefights that eventually it got boring. But again, the author was limited.

Poor, awkward sentence structure. Misuse and mismatch of tenses at times. Stilted, painful dialog. ******-poor character development (mainly for the non-Master Chief characters). Lack of flow. Forgot to "omit needless words".  And so on (I don't have my copy anymore, so I can't point out specific examples). Basically, it made me want to beat him over the head with a copy of Strunk&White for an hour, and then follow it up with Stephen King's On Writing for another hour. There have only been a couple of books that I've read that were as badly written as that one, though The Flood was the only one I actually forced my way through to the end, because I am that interested in the Halo universe.

Again, it was not the content of Halo: The Flood that bothered me at all. In fact, I was looking forward to seeing more about what others aside from the Master Chief were doing. It was the poor presentation of that content.

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Also, I'm not sure what you mean by this:

No, the Flood was not "atrocious writing". It was simply too heavy on combat.

I don't see how one excuses the other. Being heavy on combat is about content, not writing style. It is perfectly possible to write good action and combat scenes. Read any of the battles in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Or the combat in Halo: Contact Harvest, for a more closely related, less "literature" example. Or, really, any of the other Halo books. Even the one with the worst writing, The Fall of Reach  (which was Nylund's first Halo book and most weakly written, lacking the flow and... maturity, I guess, of writing style he developed over the later books), was above and beyond The Flood.

It's not that the book had too much combat. I like fictional combat. It's that the combat was poorly written.

In my (perhaps not so) humble opinion. ;)

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 19 février 2011 - 03:42 .


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Notho wrote...

Why isn't Drew Karpyshyn doing this one as well?


My guess is he's probably busy with The Old Republic. He's one of the writers for Bioware's upcoming Star Wars MMO.

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Indoctrination will play a role... I feel it must, with a title like that.

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Randy1083 wrote...

SudsyPatriarch wrote...

one day they´ll run out of "tion" titles and use "Mass Effect: Digestion"

I'm looking forward to "Mass Effect: Condensation."

I'm more looking forward to "Mass Effect Inception."

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MJRick wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

SudsyPatriarch wrote...

one day they´ll run out of "tion" titles and use "Mass Effect: Digestion"

I'm looking forward to "Mass Effect: Condensation."

I'm more looking forward to "Mass Effect Inception."

Judging by my previous experience with this author, the next book will probably be closer to "Mass Effect: Constipation".

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Heaven's Devils, eh? I had been planning on picking that one up. If that one is great than I have high hopes for Deception. But still, <3 Drew. :(

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Oh god, not Dietz. Anyone but him! I rather have Walters do the book then Dietz!




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I misread the title as "derpception" at first...

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How can it possibly be any worse than Retribution?

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mrsph wrote...

How can it possibly be any worse than Retribution?

But Drew is perfect! Everything he writes is gold! He's never made a continuity error in his life!

That was a joke. /Edi voice

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Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Notho wrote...

Why isn't Drew Karpyshyn doing this one as well?


My guess is he's probably busy with The Old Republic. He's one of the writers for Bioware's upcoming Star Wars MMO.



It could be that and maybe Bioware/EA decided it was time a fresh perspective on the Mass Effect  novels. 

I can't say that I'm surprised by this, if Mass Effect is going to have a future in novels than chances are going to be more writers that will be getting involved in the franchise. That is the way most moderen novel franchises work, (like Star Wars and Star Trek), so don't be surprised to a see a Dragon Age novel that is not written by David Gaider sometime in the future.  

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 19 février 2011 - 08:14 .


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I don't care about the books but there should be a rule that you don't write spin offs until the main project is done. You just know they are going to leave stuff out in the game that will require the books to explain to entice you to buy them.




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Drew K is definitely not perfect, but he's far better than Dietz. This statement is not an opinion. It is a fact, and anyone who thinks that The Flood was good writing should never review a book ever.

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Eterna1Soldier wrote...

@interactive civilian
I strongly disagree. No, the Flood was not "atrocious writing". It was simply too heavy on combat. But what was he supposed to do? The book covered the first game. And let's face it, Halo CE really didn't have much of a story. It was almost all combat. So yes, the author was absolutely limited in writing the book.

As for your "atrocious writing" - please explain. Do you mean poor sentence structure? Limited vocabulary use? Because I read a lot. I know bad writing when I see it. That wasn't the problem with Flood. It was the constant combat. There was so much writing about MC in firefights that eventually it got boring. But again, the author was limited.


1. You can have a book be heavy on combat without the need to refer to ammo type every single time they shoot something. Really the amount of references made are annoying and disrupt the flow of the "story". Haha story and Halo in the same sentance...funny.

2 "atrocious writting" would be where the author, let alone his editor allow a book to go to print with correcting numerous spelling mistakes. Maybe it's because it was written with the Halo fans in mind, but I think they'll find a few of them learnt to spell.

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Oh man I rember those godawful Warcraft/Starcraft novels.. and I bought all of them...They were just horrible.Havent gotten any game based books after that. Are ME universe books any good? I heard they "dont add anything to the world". I was thinking about grabing them (all 3 of em in one pack), but I dont want to make the same mistake.

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They are good. Also it's neat when you play ME 2 and the are references to the novels in it.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't care about the books but there should be a rule that you don't write spin offs until the main project is done. You just know they are going to leave stuff out in the game that will require the books to explain to entice you to buy them.

Not really. The books are basically explained in both games. Except Retribution of course since it came out after them. The only reason to buy to books is to learn more back story that doesn't affect the game. If you can see that, well... 

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Null_ wrote...

Oh man I rember those godawful Warcraft/Starcraft novels.. and I bought all of them...They were just horrible.Havent gotten any game based books after that. Are ME universe books any good? I heard they "dont add anything to the world". I was thinking about grabing them (all 3 of em in one pack), but I dont want to make the same mistake.

The Dark Templar Saga by Christie Golden was amazing, dunno if those were included as they are fairly new, but I would agree that some of the other books (shadow of the Xel'naga I'm lookin' at you) were absolutely terrible. Even if Dietz sucks, I want to give Heaven's Devils a chance. Hell, I might be pleasantly surprised.

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Null_ wrote...

Oh man I rember those godawful Warcraft/Starcraft novels.. and I bought all of them...They were just horrible.Havent gotten any game based books after that. Are ME universe books any good? I heard they "dont add anything to the world". I was thinking about grabing them (all 3 of em in one pack), but I dont want to make the same mistake.


Revelation was pretty good, and it gave you the whole story of Anderson getting shafted out of becoming a Spectre by Saren and was probably the best of the bunch. Ascension was good too. As I stated before, Retribution just felt like it was cobbled together and not as polished as the first two.

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Maybe now that there's a new author, a decent ME novel that doesn't rape the universe, its characters, or thinking minds will be produced. I really hope this one's better than the first three...shouldn't be too difficult, right? Then again, I've been proven wrong before...

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I'm surprised to see Retribution getting so much slack, when it was my favorite Mass Effect book. The other two were pretty good though.



I'll probably pick this up and read it, but it doesn't sound like I should get my hopes up for anything too interesting.

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Haven't read anything by this author besides "The Flood". Therefore, can't give any opinions. Writing a book on Halo would be like writing a book on Jaws 4, it's inherently bad.

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Eradyn wrote...

Maybe now that there's a new author, a decent ME novel that doesn't rape the universe, its characters, or thinking minds will be produced. I really hope this one's better than the first three...shouldn't be too difficult, right? Then again, I've been proven wrong before...

Typical. 

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Ascension is about "what happened between Cerberus and Quarians that they hate each other"?

Also I quess the main character (except the one about Anderson) is someone who is never mentioned in the game?

Reading opinions about those books online make me think I am not losing much

Modifié par Null_, 20 février 2011 - 12:43 .


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Valikdu wrote...

Haven't read anything by this author besides "The Flood". Therefore, can't give any opinions. Writing a book on Halo would be like writing a book on Jaws 4, it's inherently bad.

Why is that?` The Fall of Reach` and `First Strike` were good.

Ever heard of `Warhammer 40k: Firewarrior?` That was a book based off a game with even less of a story than Halo in yet the book was great. 

Modifié par Quole, 20 février 2011 - 01:39 .