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[Riona45]

The RustMonster wrote...
 Probably, but then again the real world doesn't have to worry about magic.

We do have to worry about WMD though.

[HolyJellyfish]

The RustMonster wrote...

Despite what anti-Chantry thinkers would believe, the complete removal of the institution from the political system of Thedas would have disastrous effects throughout the setting. Now would the world eventually recover from this like the real world has done after the fall of mighty empires? Probably, but then again the real world doesn't have to worry about magic.

I really don't think anyone will have a choice in the matter at the end of the game. I could be wrong, but I'm strongly under the impression you will either have to destroy the Chantry or completely reform it.

[DARBanks]

I hope those are not the only 2 options. I like the Chantry how it is now.

[Albatroz]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...
 Probably, but then again the real world doesn't have to worry about magic.

We do have to worry about WMD though.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Remove the chantry?



If anything i feel they need more power in a world that is invaded by zombies with crossbows every 100 years.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Well, considering I didn't see the Chantry actually do anything in this last blight, I'm not sure why I should care about them in the "we need them to save us from the Darkspawn" sort of way.



Anyways, to be more in character about this, I can't see removing the Chantry. There's a reason religious frameworks arose in so many societies. Many of us have no need for it today, but that type of brainwashing also brought with it a sense of order and place in a very chaotic world in which one was lucky to die peacefully.



I've kept myself from reading up much about the plot, so I have almost no idea what the overarching story is supposed to be, but if the Chantry is involved, I imagine the outcomes are different reformations, not the complete removal. And by different reformations, I mean their attitude towards magic if I had to hazard a guess.

[HolyJellyfish]

DARBanks wrote...

I hope those are not the only 2 options. I like the Chantry how it is now.

I don't know how much your PC will like it, considering it took your father away, and it threatens you if you are a mage or your sister who is a mage.

[Riona45]

The RustMonster wrote...

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

Oh, you're correct as usual.  Hegemony, social upheaval, and war only existed in ancient times.

[marshalleck]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

Oh, you're correct as usual.  Hegemony, social upheaval, and war only existed in ancient times.

It's amazing how you seem to continually miss the guy's point. 

[Riona45]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I don't know how much your PC will like it, considering it took your father away, and it threatens you if you are a mage or your sister who is a mage.

Also, since Bethany is walking around free at the beginning of the game, we can deduce that the PC and everyone else in the family is constantly breaking Chantry law by NOT turning her in.

[DARBanks]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

DARBanks wrote...

I hope those are not the only 2 options. I like the Chantry how it is now.

I don't know how much your PC will like it, considering it took your father away, and it threatens you if you are a mage or your sister who is a mage.

You do have a point on that. I guess my opinion could change when I see how they tell this story and the options it gives us.

[HolyJellyfish]

Riona45 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I don't know how much your PC will like it, considering it took your father away, and it threatens you if you are a mage or your sister who is a mage.

Also, since Bethany is walking around free at the beginning of the game, we can deduce that the PC and everyone else in the family is constantly breaking Chantry law by NOT turning her in.

They are definitely wanted apostates. For all we know, Hawke may have been running from the Chantry for years. Lothering may just have been one of the many, many, many places they had to live for fear of suspicion.

[Dante Angelo]

The RustMonster wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...
 Probably, but then again the real world doesn't have to worry about magic.

We do have to worry about WMD though.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

They still thought they had magic though. Wait what about the Ancient Greek empire they had their Oracles. Although seeing as the Ancient Greeks were independent city states I guess they don't count

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

My understanding is they have estates in Kirkwall, which is why they are fleeing there in the first place. I guess I assumed they were nobility. That certainly doesn't sound like some wanted apostates. If anything, it's the rich who would be able to hide their magic the easiest I'd think. As in, they may be apostates, but I doubt they were on the wanted list.

[Albatroz]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

Oh, you're correct as usual.  Hegemony, social upheaval, and war only existed in ancient times.

<_< Alright, since I apparently failed to relay my opinion clearly enough I'll just go ahead and say it again right now. If the Chantry is removed from power, anarchy would erupt because of the void in the political system and most likely would result in the total collapse of several empires in Thedas, most likely Orlais and Ferelden, the most devout Andrastian nations with the most Chantry power. Now, people have said that life will go on. The real world has provided numerous examples of fallen empires, and the world moved on and recovered from it. I mentioned that if the Chantry fell, we really couldn't predict the outcome based off of real world history, because those empires noticeably lacked the massively destructive power of magic. The mere existence of mages potentially makes the fall of an empire extremely more critical and dangerous than it ever was in history.

[Albatroz]

Dante Angelo wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...
 Probably, but then again the real world doesn't have to worry about magic.

We do have to worry about WMD though.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but I was talking about the ancient mighty empires. The Romans, the Byzantines, the Egyptians, etc. These cultures had a significant lack of magic.

They still thought they had magic though. Wait what about the Ancient Greek empire they had their Oracles. Although seeing as the Ancient Greeks were independent city states I guess they don't count

They also don't count because there's a pretty significant difference between the supposed magic of the Oracles' abilities to peer into the future, and the ability of a mage to shoot lightning form their fingertips.

[lovecraftiangod]

I say crush the chantry.

[Riona45]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

My understanding is they have estates in Kirkwall, which is why they are fleeing there in the first place. I guess I assumed they were nobility.

Hawke's mother does come from a noble family in Kirkwall. 

[Riona45]

The RustMonster wrote...
<_< Alright, since I apparently failed to relay my opinion clearly enough I'll just go ahead and say it again right now.

I understood your point, I just stand by what I said.  I guess you don't have much of a concept of people understanding you but not necessarily agreeing with you.

[Albatroz]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...
<_< Alright, since I apparently failed to relay my opinion clearly enough I'll just go ahead and say it again right now.

I understood your point, I just stand by what I said.  I guess you don't have much of a concept of people understanding you but not necessarily agreeing with you.

I don't really understand what you're disagreeing with. I recognize that there are wars nowadays and WMDs exist, but that doesn't really relate to anything we're discussing. What exactly is the point that you're trying to make?

[marshalleck]

The RustMonster wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...
<_< Alright, since I apparently failed to relay my opinion clearly enough I'll just go ahead and say it again right now.

I understood your point, I just stand by what I said.  I guess you don't have much of a concept of people understanding you but not necessarily agreeing with you.

I don't really understand what you're disagreeing with. I recognize that there are wars nowadays and WMDs exist, but that doesn't really relate to anything we're discussing. What exactly is the point that you're trying to make?

Seems to me like the point is "ooooh, external scary thing! Give the government/religious institution/militant order more power and authority to "protect" you from it!"

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 04:59 .

[Haverrun]

Some mages are hanged by lynch mobs because of the Chantry's preaching about magic being evil. In addition to that, they've done questionable things like conquering the Dales. In additon to that, if a new Circle is founded in Orzammar, the Chantry considers declaring war on the dwarves. I think that would be a dumb idea since dwarves are the only border between surface lands and the darkspawn and they are the Chantry's source of lyrium. What would the templars even do without it?

[Eveangaline]

Results of removal:Peace and hugs.

[Albatroz]

Eveangaline wrote...

Results of removal:Peace and hugs.

Of course. Just after the mass hysteria from having a powerful political system being rapidly and forcibly removed from the carefully built political balance.