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[Nimpe]

I heard the chantry ate my future babies

[jlb524]

I think the Chantry as a social institution is bad, but most people in it probably have good intentions.

[jelf rs]

The chantry reminds people of the church in medieval times. I don't think many people nowadays like the church in medieval times right?

[marshalleck]

jelf rs wrote...

The chantry reminds people of the church in medieval times. I don't think many people nowadays like the church in medieval times right?

Actually I think quite a few Americans would be all about it. But let's not go off-topic. 

[AustinKain]

Zabaniya wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

It was emperor Kordilius Drakon I of Orlais who formalized the cult into a religion and created the frist Chantry.

So the Chantry is a Orlaisean cult and therefore it is evil.

Evil, but with outrageous fashion.  Especially their shoes.  They're such ridiculous shoes.

 

Also in Orlais the nobles all wear a comsetic( Orlias men wear make up) to show their status, and the highest of the rankings will weak masks to demonstrate their rank.

[Albatroz]

marshalleck wrote...

jelf rs wrote...

The chantry reminds people of the church in medieval times. I don't think many people nowadays like the church in medieval times right?

Actually I think quite a few Americans would be all about it. But let's not go off-topic. 

Or discuss real world religions. That's a big no-no on these forums.

[TJPags]

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Cullen was a severely traumatized man. I don't think anyone would be right in the head after forcing to endure what he endured.

Lots of people have been traumatized.

Not all did what he did.

Different people react differently to trauma. It all depends on the personality of the victim and what their personal breaking point happens to be. 

That's absolutely true.

I only bring him into it because he's really the only person connected with the Chantry that I can think of acting in an evil way.

[Albatroz]

TJPags wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Cullen was a severely traumatized man. I don't think anyone would be right in the head after forcing to endure what he endured.

Lots of people have been traumatized.

Not all did what he did.

Different people react differently to trauma. It all depends on the personality of the victim and what their personal breaking point happens to be. 

That's absolutely true.

I only bring him into it because he's really the only person connected with the Chantry that I can think of acting in an evil way.

I wouldn't call him evil though. He has the good intentions of Thedas at heart. It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified. Like everything else in DA, it can't be called evil 100%. Dark, yes. Evil, not really.

[AlexXIV]

The Water God wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

Zabaniya wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

It was emperor Kordilius Drakon I of Orlais who formalized the cult into a religion and created the frist Chantry.

So the Chantry is a Orlaisean cult and therefore it is evil.

Evil, but with outrageous fashion.  Especially their shoes.  They're such ridiculous shoes.

 

Also in Orlais the nobles all wear a comsetic( Orlias men wear make up) to show their status, and the highest of the rankings will weak masks to demonstrate their rank.

Not to mention ALL Nobles in orlais are Bisexuals!

That's not what I heard. I heard the men are gay and the women ****s. May be a rumor though.

[TJPags]

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Cullen was a severely traumatized man. I don't think anyone would be right in the head after forcing to endure what he endured.

Lots of people have been traumatized.

Not all did what he did.

Different people react differently to trauma. It all depends on the personality of the victim and what their personal breaking point happens to be. 

That's absolutely true.

I only bring him into it because he's really the only person connected with the Chantry that I can think of acting in an evil way.

I wouldn't call him evil though. He has the good intentions of Thedas at heart. It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified. Like everything else in DA, it can't be called evil 100%. Dark, yes. Evil, not really.

Again, I don't necessarily disagree.  I said he acted in an evil way, not that he was evil.

But I can't think of another character associated with the Chantry who acted in a way that can be called evil.
 
Can anyone else?

[AustinKain]

The Water God wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

Zabaniya wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

It was emperor Kordilius Drakon I of Orlais who formalized the cult into a religion and created the frist Chantry.

So the Chantry is a Orlaisean cult and therefore it is evil.

Evil, but with outrageous fashion.  Especially their shoes.  They're such ridiculous shoes.

 

Also in Orlais the nobles all wear a comsetic( Orlias men wear make up) to show their status, and the highest of the rankings will weak masks to demonstrate their rank.

Not to mention ALL Nobles in Orlais are Bisexuals!!!!

Sorry but the book i have that is from the offical lore doesnt say anything about the bisexual nature but what i put in previously was from the offical strategy guide for DA2.(the mini guide is free at Gamestop& EBgames now)

[Riona45]

The RustMonster wrote...

It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified.

Umm, I can understand the "insanity defense" in Cullen's case, but I don't see how running innocent apprentices through can be "rationally justified." 

Modifié par Riona45, 19 février 2011 - 04:47 .

[Albatroz]

TJPags wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

TJPags wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Cullen was a severely traumatized man. I don't think anyone would be right in the head after forcing to endure what he endured.

Lots of people have been traumatized.

Not all did what he did.

Different people react differently to trauma. It all depends on the personality of the victim and what their personal breaking point happens to be. 

That's absolutely true.

I only bring him into it because he's really the only person connected with the Chantry that I can think of acting in an evil way.

I wouldn't call him evil though. He has the good intentions of Thedas at heart. It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified. Like everything else in DA, it can't be called evil 100%. Dark, yes. Evil, not really.

Again, I don't necessarily disagree.  I said he acted in an evil way, not that he was evil.

But I can't think of another character associated with the Chantry who acted in a way that can be called evil.
 
Can anyone else?

I think there's purposefully no overtly evil character in the Chantry. If there was, it would put pretty much everyone on the anti-Chantry side of the debate. But by having grey Chantry characters, and some genuinely good characters, it leaves both sides viable viewpoints.

[Riona45]

mrsph wrote...

Depends on what ending you get. Save the circle and he snaps and kills a bunch of mages.

To be honest that's what I thought was being talked about.

[AlexXIV]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified.

Umm, I can understand the "insanity defense" in Cullen's case, but I don't see how running innocent apprentices through can be "rationally justified." 

The Maker told them to do it. Also, the order dictates it.

[Albatroz]

Riona45 wrote...

The RustMonster wrote...

It may be a cruel act, but it can definitely be rationally justified.

Umm, I can understand the "insanity defense" in Cullen's case, but I don't see how running innocent apprentices through can be "rationally justified." 

Cullen witnessed mages being forcibly turned into abominations against their will. He also saw blood mages kill his friends and innocents. Even if all the known abominations and blood mages were killed, it's impossible to tell which mages are truly "innocent." By purging the Tower and starting over at zero, you can assure the safety of everyone else in Thedas. I'd say you can definitely consider that a justifiable action. Whether or not you agree with it is another thing entirely.

[Eveangaline]

Even ignoring their treatment of mages, they killed off tons of elves and took their homeland because they had a different religion. And at the end of DAO, they were thinking of doing the same to teh dwarves. That's pretty evil.

[Riona45]

The RustMonster wrote...
 By purging the Tower and starting over at zero, you can assure the safety of everyone else in Thedas. I'd say you can definitely consider that a justifiable action. Whether or not you agree with it is another thing entirely.

That wasn't what I was talking about though.

I guess we're pretty much never on the same page.

[AlexXIV]

Riona45 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Depends on what ending you get. Save the circle and he snaps and kills a bunch of mages.

To be honest that's what I thought was being talked about.

Doesn't it depend on how you talk to him? I remember I got the 'snapping' ending only once but the second and following I played nice with him and there was no mention of him in the epilogues. Unless it is a bug again.