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[The Elder King]

Anathemic wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Anathemic: in the Deep Road there is no ancient civilization, there is the dwarven civilization, which is still alive in Orzammar and Kal Sharock. And I don't see how Shepard's dreams can be compared with the visit of the Fade.
Anyway yes, Bioware seems to follow a certain path in their games. That doesn't mean the story isn't complex.

True,  I didn't make the chart but it still conveys the main point I was trying to make. But if you want to go into specifics think of the elves as ancient civilization.

Good point. I don't know if Hawke's story will be the same, but to me that fact that Bioware follows the same path doesn't mean that the story isn't complex, only that it's clichè. But I enjoyed all Bioware's story that I played, as I enjoyes TW1 story. I hope that the sequels of those games will reach the same level of enjoyment.

[Master Shiori]

Anathemic wrote...

Lol this quote is so hypocritical, Activision gave money to Blizzard to make Diablo 3 and its gonan get more popular and better reviews 'cause Blizzard neeeded the moeny to make quality game.

Not even close.

Blizzard doesn't need money from Activision thanks to a golden goose known as "World of Warcraft".

[MortalEngines]

Krusty84 wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
I'm probably the only person in the world who didn't like The Witcher.

You're not, my enhanced edition is sitting on my shelf and I haven't played past about 3 hours. I just found the gameplay boring, the animations (like walking) silly, the dialogue/voice acting awkward, the story bland and the sex cards downright silly. The character's drew zero emotion from me, to be honest, I could careless about Triss, Gerald and the rest of the witchers. When Leo died I was thinking "What an idiot".

Wow a true rpg gamer, 3
hours Wow!

3 hours is more than long enough to gauge whether the game was worth my time. If you're saying that I lack what it is to be a 'true rpg gamer' (what ever the hell that means anyway), then you're more than welcome to think so, but I've spent more than enough time playing games to know when a game is fundamentally not for me, the witcher was like that. As a side note, I spent 50+ hours on DAO, 20 hours on ME 1 and ME 2 (each), 150+ hours on Oblivion, 100+ hours on Morrowind, 80+ on Fallout 3, shall I go on? Or am I not a 'true rpg gamer'. 

bloodreaperfx wrote...
The Dialogue was indeed akward because of translation issues. The Witcher - Enhanced edition fixed that. It also had new animations.

Anyway, you are probably expecting the wrong thing. Did you read the witcher novels? Its not about drama and tears.

Well, I'm pretty sure the fancy little case my preowned witcher game is in says Enchanced Edition pretty bold on the side. And the walking animations and dialogue still seemed bad to me in the game, so the apparantly fixes didn't fix much for me. To be honest, I would probably be more annoyed had a bought the game brand new, but since it was from a company I had never heard of and I wasn't too sold on what I had seen in reviews, I brought it pre-owned instead.

And yes, I read the book and I wasn't expecting 'drama and tears'. I don't understand how bringing up the Witcher novels (as good as they are), in defense of the Witcher's shortcoming, make those shortcoming any less valid.

Look, I see that some enjoy the Witcher, good for them and you, I think it had the makings of a good game, it just didn't connect for me. That being said I will try The Witcher 2, I'm just no expecting much from it.

EDIT: For spelling

Modifié par MortalEngines, 19 février 2011 - 07:52 .

[Anathemic]

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

Modifié par Anathemic, 19 février 2011 - 07:52 .

[JigPig]

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

[MortalEngines]

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

I didn't bash the graphics, I didn't like the walking animation, which has nothing to do with the use of Aurora Engines (which I already knew was a Bioware product). And NWN 2's graphics weren't masterstroke either and I'd gladly criticize that as well.

I didn't judge the game on sex cards only, I had plenty of reasons that I don't need to have to repeat continiously just because you don't understand. If 3 hours into the game I seriously can't stand the gameplay nor can I connect with the characters, then they is something wrong (for me anyway). When I played DAO, I immediately was drawn into the world, I cared for my family (Human Noble) and because I could customize and choose my Warden's dialogue, I felt more involved and immersed in the world. I cared about what happened in it. In Witcher, I couldn't give a damn if this idiot called Leo who Geralt had met for about 3 minutes prior was stupid enough to get himself killed. Not to mention both Geralt's general attitude and voice bugged me.

Like I said, fair enough if you don't enjoy the game. It wasn't my cup of tea and that's all there is to it. DA2 won't be many other people's cup of tea either. I just don't understand why both sides have to keep bashing each other.

Modifié par MortalEngines, 19 février 2011 - 07:59 .

[Master Shiori]

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

And your point is what exactly? That he cannot form an opinion about a game unless he played through the entire thing? That you cannot possibly decide that a certain game doesn't appeal to you after playing it for 3 hours?

He simply stated why he didn't like the Witcher. I see no reason why somebody should take offense at that unless you made it your personal agenda to force everyone to like TW.

[Anathemic]

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

[JigPig]

Anathemic wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

Who said I didn't finish the game? I was directly quoting what you said. I did have to force myself to play through chapters 1-3, I admit after that it picked up but that lowered my overall experiance.

[ladydesire]

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

This. I tried to play The Witcher, but couldn't get into it, just like I couldn't get into Knights of the Old Republic or Neverwinter Nights (see, I'm not afraid to say I didn't like several Bioware games); I was able to get into DAO and Mass Effect enough to complete playthroughs of them, and I'll likely be able to get into DA2 enough to do the same.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Anathemic wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

it is up to the makers of the game to make the world engaging enough to draw the player in. do not fault the player for the short coming of the witchers introduction

[MortalEngines]

Anathemic wrote...
If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

Why would I have to force myself through an entire game I don't enjoy? If you disliked the gameplay or story of the game, why should you, the paying customer, have to waste time into something that you're not enjoying? I buy games for enjoyment, not because I have some sort of duty to the developer. 

If in 3 hours the game is bland, then why should I still play it? Regardless as to wheather the 20 hours later is amazing, those 3 hours should be good 3 hours. Seriously, it's not like I played for about 5 minutes.

Edit: Also, I didn't want to start an arguement, I just stated my opinion. You're the one looking for an arguement, I didn't appear saying "The witcher is rubbish and this is fact! The 3 hours I played is proof of this!" I said "I didn't find the Witcher enjoying from the 3 hours I played of it"

Modifié par MortalEngines, 19 février 2011 - 08:05 .

[cakesize]

Haha, I'm just excited about the game because I know how much work and love Bioware has put into it. They've never disappointed me before, so I'll take it on good faith that DA2 is going to be awesome. This isn't to say that I'm not really really pleased with what Bioware's shown us so far -- I am super excited for the stuff that they've kept under wraps, too!



tl;dr IDC i am excited ok

[Anathemic]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

it is up to the makers of the game to make the world engaging enough to draw the player in. do not fault the player for the short coming of the witchers introduction

I will fault the player however I damn please. Basic argument etiquette, if you want to have your opinion respected and/or heard to be then argued on, then you must back that opinion up with a valid resource of some kind.

In dealing with games, if you're going to critique a game properly you must have a full playthrough of the game to go upon. Having anything less is like having an excellent quote but not having the source for it.

[Blacklash93]

Seeing the new reviews, somehow I doubt that.

[JigPig]

For the appetizer we have a crap sandwich. For your Entrée we have Roast Duck with Mango Salsa. In order to eat the Entrée you must finish the appetizer completely.

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seeing the new reviews, somehow I doubt that.

[citation needed]

Modifié par JigPig, 19 février 2011 - 08:07 .

[Anathemic]

MortalEngines wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

Why would I have to force myself through an entire game I don't enjoy? If you disliked the gameplay or story of the game, why should you, the paying customer, have to waste time into something that you're not enjoying? I buy games for enjoyment, not because I have some sort of duty to the developer. 

If in 3 hours the game is bland, then why should I still play it? Regardless as to wheather the 20 hours later is amazing, those 3 hours should be good 3 hours. Seriously, it's not like I played for about 5 minutes.

Edit: Also, I didn't want to start an arguement, I just stated my opinion. You're the one looking for an arguement, I didn't appear saying "The witcher is rubbish and this is fact! The 3 hours I played is proof of this!" I said "I didn't find the Witcher enjoying from the 3 hours I played of it"

But you wanted your opinion heard did you not? If not then why post in the first place? By participating in letting your opinion be heard you then must be prepared to be faced with a proper argument against it.

In my eyes the opinion is just a sub par opinion because it wasn't backed up by proper source (IE playing through the whoel game), therefore I will bash it however I damn please due to the fact it wasn't backed up properly and/or to a decent level.

[upsettingshorts]

I've played The Witcher a couple of times, and I think its pros are often mislabeled and its cons are glossed over by its fans in such discussions. That being said it is a good game.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Anathemic wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

And to MortalEngine's above post, I quote:

Anathemic wrote...

Love how everyone's bashing the original Witcher's graphics, when they fail or intentionally miss the fact that the original Witcher used BioWare's own Aurora Engine, y'know the engine that made NWN series?

And I love how everyone starts to judge the game based on sex cards and whatnot. Seriously have you played through the game? Y'know like not stopping in the middle of Chapter 2, that's the DA:O equivilant of quitting in the middle of your Origin story, play the game from beginning to end if you want to judge Witcher's story.

If a game can't engage you enough and you have to force yourself to play through, then it has failed.

If you didn't finish the game and expect your opinion to be taken seriously, then you have failed in proper argument etiquette.

I admit that the beginning of TW being bland is not in it's favor, but again this is all made up throughout the progression of the game.

it is up to the makers of the game to make the world engaging enough to draw the player in. do not fault the player for the short coming of the witchers introduction

I will fault the player however I damn please. Basic argument etiquette, if you want to have your opinion respected and/or heard to be then argued on, then you must back that opinion up with a valid resource of some kind.

In dealing with games, if you're going to critique a game properly you must have a full playthrough of the game to go upon. Having anything less is like having an excellent quote but not having the source for it.

And basic writing is that you need to have an engaging world and cast of characters for the reader( or player in this case) in order to continue with your story...obviously the witcher failed at this acount in the opening acts as you yourself have attested too earlier in this thread.....oh and

[MortalEngines]

Anathemic wrote...
I will fault the player however I damn please. Basic argument etiquette, if you want to have your opinion respected and/or heard to be then argued on, then you must back that opinion up with a valid resource of some kind.

In dealing with games, if you're going to critique a game properly you must have a full playthrough of the game to go upon. Having anything less is like having an excellent quote but not having the source for it.

I don't remember evidence being needed for an opinion, how does 'arguement etiquette' as you so nicely put it, apply at all to a statement that wasn't even meant for arguement's sake? If you don't respect my opinion, that's your own choice, you don't need to make a huge issue out of it.

I'm not trying to pull a proffessional review, I don't care about properly critiquing a game. I bought The Witcher for my own enjoyment, I didn't enjoy it so I stopped playing it, end of.
My god, some people on this forum *shakes head*. 

Modifié par MortalEngines, 19 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[JigPig]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I've played The Witcher a couple of times, and I think its pros are often mislabeled and its cons are glossed over by its fans in such discussions. That being said it is a good game.

I feel the exact same way.

[Anathemic]

JigPig wrote...

For the appetizer we have a crap sandwich. For your Entrée we have Roast Duck with Mango Salsa. In order to eat the Entrée you must finish the appetizer completely.

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seeing the new reviews, somehow I doubt that.

[citation needed]

Hardly correct.

"My opinion? I am against this form of action. Why? Well because of this quote, but I don't have the source for it, is that still okay?"

[Piecake]

Anathemic wrote...


I will fault the player however I damn please. Basic argument etiquette, if you want to have your opinion respected and/or heard to be then argued on, then you must back that opinion up with a valid resource of some kind.

In dealing with games, if you're going to critique a game properly you must have a full playthrough of the game to go upon. Having anything less is like having an excellent quote but not having the source for it.

So then why are you saying that DA2's story will be simple and formulaic based on previous bioware games?  By your criteria, dont you have to play the whole game before you render your opinion on DA2? 

Anyways, your position is foolish.  So long as the person arguing says that they only played a certain number of hours and that they are basing their opinion on that time, then they are free to have any opinion as they want, and their opinion on that time is as valid as someone who played the entire game. 

[JigPig]

Anathemic wrote...

JigPig wrote...

For the appetizer we have a crap sandwich. For your Entrée we have Roast Duck with Mango Salsa. In order to eat the Entrée you must finish the appetizer completely.

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seeing the new reviews, somehow I doubt that.

[citation needed]

Hardly correct.

"My opinion? I am against this form of action. Why? Well because of this quote, but I don't have the source for it, is that still okay?"

So let me get this straight. You believe the opening of the game is extremely stale and hard to play through but you don't believe it's extremely stale and hard to play through.

Are you a republican, by chance?

[Anathemic]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...
And basic writing is that you need to have an engaging world and cast of characters for the reader( or player in this case) in order to continue with your story...obviously the witcher failed at this acount in the opening acts as you yourself have attested too earlier in this thread.....oh and

Cool, your point is?

The witcher failed in basic writing? Sure it did, did it fail in a complex well-loved story. Absolutley not.