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[Shockwave81]

I'm trying really hard not to get dragged down with the rest of you, so I'll choose to look at it like this:



If ME3 has a) Reapers causing havoc, and the ability to import each of my Shepards without issue, then my highest expectations will be met.



That is all.

[TCBC_Freak]

Mesina2 wrote...

So, whole comic is a lie?

Wow people will argue about anything, I just skimmed the tread and man people are upset about some stuff, lol.

But the whole comic series isn't out yet, so what if Mesina is right, I mean what if in the next issue or the one after that we find out that its a lie, intentionally, a framed narrative being told by a person who doesn't have all the facts about it; kind of like the whole DA2 story starts out, a legend and rumors. And then the rest of it is the correct telling of the story, just food for thought, pointing out that before we have all the facts and the fully story its silly to point out every little thing that may not yet make sense.

And to the people saying the story in ME2 sucked, that is your taste, you may not have liked it but plenty of people how don't have accounts on a forum did. You might as well which is better, "Burger King or What-a-burger," or the eternal, "Coke or Pepsi." People like what they like, or like them both, or don't care.

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 19 février 2011 - 09:57 .

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I disagree with everything and you will disagree with everything I´ll say.
Since neither of us will convince another about their truth I dont see much point in continuing this conversation.
Heh "much point" nevermind.

You wouldn't understand "what's right" even if you were raped by it do to your ignorant behavior.



And yeah, why don't you debunk those points if you think I'm wrong?
But you instead just ignored it and when i showed them again you just decided to use "you won't convince me" card.

[leeboi2]

Mac Walters is a ****in' idiot...

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

@darknoon5

Show me one poll, or even one person, who says they prefer ME2's story to ME1's. ME2's story being lackluster and disjointed was something that was universally panned in virtually every review following ME2's release.

And yes, I'd say "trainwreck" adequately describes what passes for ME2's over-arching story.

The trainwreck starts right off the bat with Shepard dying and then being resurrected with space-magic, continues with Shepard being forced to work with virtually no opportunity for protest despite Cerberus being set up as space-AlQueda in ME1 and the default Shepard origin being that Cerberus is directly responsible for the murder of your entire squad on Akuze (something which Shepard is never even able to mention when speaking with the Illusive Man).

The trend then continues with old allies suddenly being struck blind, deaf and dumb in the form of the new Council and Alliance turning their backs on you ostensibly for no other reason than because Shepard is working with Cerberus (despite the given rational for Shepard working with Cerberus being that the Council and Alliance have turned their backs on you, so it's kind of a circuitous "which came first" scenario) as well as Shepard finally being reunited with his/her ME1 love interest on Horizon only to have them be struck with such a case of mind-boggling irrationality that they try to blame the abductions on Cerberus (apparently forgetting all about the Collector attack that they witnessed not 5 minutes earlier) and to have Shepard be railroaded by artificial incompetency to the point where--despite being able to successfully persuade Saren to kill himself in ME1--the best response you can come up with after being called a traitor to the Alliance is to say "Well, I can see you're not going to listen to reason" before your former BFF/lover storms off (but they send you a nice email later, so it's all good, right?).

Then there's whole "humans are more genetically diverse than all other races in the galaxy because we have a wide range of appearances and intelligence levels...even though every other race in the galaxy has idiots and geniuses and a range of different appearances as well...including the asari who can randomize their genetic code with that of other species and should then clearly be the most diverse by far...but we're different/better because...actually, just don't think about it too much and nod your head in understanding" angle that the game tries to push on us no less than three times.

But where things REALLY get bad is on the Collector Base where, in the space of 10 minutes, Mac Walters successfully takes one of the coolest sci-fi enemies of the last 15 years and turns them into a running gag; first with the most facepalming-est WTF moment that was the Baby Terminator Reaper, and then by suddenly revealing that the Reapers are in fact semi-organic and not purely mechanical and that Reapers "reproduce" by melting an organic race into a gray paste that somehow preserves that race's collective consciousness and then use that organic paste to construct a new Reaper in that race's image.

ME2's "story" was a travesty. The fact that it was also the point at which Drew Karpyshyn took a back seat and Mac Walters became the Lead Writer doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence that ME3's story will be any better; which is only reinforced by the retcons and inconsistencies present in his work on Evolution.

I've heard it said that Mac Walters is a better writer of characters than Drew Karpyshyn, but I find even that hard to be believe considering I found most of the characters in ME2 to be either dry or cliches. ME1 had Tali, Garrus and Wrex; three of the most-loved characters in the franchise. What did ME2 add? It replaced Wrex with Grunt and his stereotypical teenage angst, added Jack and her directionless "I'm the queen badass ****"-ery, Jacob with his PRIIIIIZE and the most awesome backstory never to be mentioned ever, Miranda, the stereotypical hotty with daddy issues, etc. The only two really stand-out characters were Mordin and Legion, the later barely getting any "screen time" or development at all.

So no, I'm not particularly fond of Mac Walters or the "new and X-treme" direction he seems to be taking Mass Effect in. I wish BioWare would've just left Drew in charge...

This thread delivers fanboys with very high standards.

Fixed.

[Tryphus]

Hahaha, we are all obviously far too into this series...



In any case, if you're already worrying about ME3 not being good enough because of Mac/Clint/etc...then it may be a good time to take a break from here until e3 or so...

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
This thread delivers fanboys with very high standards.

Fixed.

Damn right. I'm proud to have high standards. The reason there's so much awful crap being peddled around today from FOX News to McDonald's hamburgers to the 17th annual edition of generic EA sports games to Mass Effect Evolution is because people have such low standards.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 09:56 .

[CroGamer002]

Tryphus wrote...

Hahaha, we are all obviously far too into this series...

In any case, if you're already worrying about ME3 not being good enough because of Mac/Clint/etc...then it may be a good time to take a break from here until e3 or so...

When is next E3 anyway?

[marshalleck]

June 7-9

[Babli]

Mesina2 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I disagree with everything and you will disagree with everything I´ll say.
Since neither of us will convince another about their truth I dont see much point in continuing this conversation.
Heh "much point" nevermind.

You wouldn't understand "what's right" even if you were raped by it do to your ignorant behavior.

And yeah, why don't you debunk those points if you think I'm wrong?
But you instead just ignored it and when i showed them again you just decided to use "you won't convince me" card.

Its too late here and I am tired. Enjoy your internet win and continue on considering ME 2 story flawless. Good for you.

And you´re so cool with these pictures.

[Rivercurse]

Babli wrote...

And you´re so cool with these pictures.

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
This thread delivers fanboys with very high standards.

Fixed.

Damn right. I'm proud to have high standards. The reason there's so much awful crap being peddled around today from FOX News to McDonald's hamburgers to the 17th annual edition of generic EA sports games to Mass Effect Evolution is because people have such low standards.

Having very high standards is NOT a thing to be proud of, it's just makes you look like a douche.


I'm not saying having low standards in good, no it's just as bad, only it makes you look like an idiot.

Also I hate FOX, McDonald's sucks and I didn't play any EA Sport game since 2006 and I don't have very high standards and I appreciate ME2 story.


I can spot good and bad story.

MW2 plot is a trainwreck, ME2 doesn't have bad main story at all!

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

Its too late here and I am tired. Enjoy your internet win and continue on considering ME 2 story flawless. Good for you.

And you´re so cool with these pictures.

I'm not saying ME2 is flawless, I just don't stand you fanboys being so ignorant about ME2 main plot.

[marshalleck]

Yeah, see, ME2 having a favorable comparison to MW2's "story" is not something to boast about. It's like arguing that you're an awesome parent because you don't beat or starve your children. Your standards are indeed low.

And I don't really care if trailer trash think I'm a douche. That's a sign I'm doing something right, as far as I'm concerned. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 10:06 .

[Icinix]

Mesina2 wrote...

MW2 plot is a trainwreck, ME2 doesn't have bad main story at all!

Thank you. I thought I was the only one.

*tear*

I tried to tell people once that the story was all over the freaking place...they laughed at me and said I should go play my dumb arcade games instead of intelligent stories....

I was speechless....

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, see, ME2 having a favorable comparison to MW2's "story" is not something to boast about. Your standards are indeed low.

MW2 has a plot( really, really, REALLY bad one).


Seriously, did you take your lessons about what is plot from smudboy?

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, see, ME2 having a favorable comparison to MW2's "story" is not something to boast about. Your standards are indeed low.

MW2 has a plot( really, really, REALLY bad one).


Seriously, did you take your lessons about what is plot from smudboy?

No, I take it from actual books (*gasp!!*), films, and even Bioware's past video games. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 10:07 .

[JKoopman]

Mesina2 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Its too late here and I am tired. Enjoy your internet win and continue on considering ME 2 story flawless. Good for you.

And you´re so cool with these pictures.

I'm not saying ME2 is flawless, I just don't stand you fanboys being so ignorant about ME2 main plot.

Ignorant? I've posted four full paragraphs showing exactly where ME2's story falls flat. What have you done, besides post pictures of cats and use bad grammar?

Modifié par JKoopman, 19 février 2011 - 10:09 .

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, see, ME2 having a favorable comparison to MW2's "story" is not something to boast about. Your standards are indeed low.

MW2 has a plot( really, really, REALLY bad one).


Seriously, did you take your lessons about what is plot from smudboy?

No, I take it from actual books, films, and even Bioware's past video games. 

And I take it you learned nothing from it.

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, see, ME2 having a favorable comparison to MW2's "story" is not something to boast about. Your standards are indeed low.

MW2 has a plot( really, really, REALLY bad one).


Seriously, did you take your lessons about what is plot from smudboy?

No, I take it from actual books, films, and even Bioware's past video games. 

And I take it you learned nothing from it.

That you vociferously defend a game which has almost universally been declared to be less coherently plot-focused than its predecessor suggests to me that you're the one with questionable judgement. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 10:09 .

[CroGamer002]

JKoopman wrote...


Ignorant? I've posted four full paragraphs showing exactly where ME2's story falls flat. What have you done besides post pictures of cats and use bad grammar?

Let me quote myself.


No pretty pictured and English ain't my native language so that's why my grammar ain't perfect.

Mesina2 wrote...



I'll sum up ME2 plot( without anything from squadmates):

A
terrorist organization Cerberus resurrects you( WITH SCIENCE!) so you
can stop the Reapers since their threat is being ignored. You find out
that humans are getting massively abducted and nothing to suggest who
and how did it. You get send on Freedoms Progress and you find out that
mysterious aliens Collectors are on responsible and you must find out is
there any connection with Reapers. After a while you get send on
Horizon where you confirm they are working with them. After a while you
later get send to investigate Collector Derelict ship and find out
Collectors were once Protheins and about IFF. Once you decide to get
IFF, your crew get's abducted later on and once again you decide when
you want to hit on Collectors. In base you find out they are making the
Human Reaper which is in very early stage of development and that they
are using humans genetic material to create it( also in ME1 cut content
there are dialogues about it).



So what did we learn?

Reapers are mostly interested in humans( especially in Shepard).
Collectors were once Protheins.
Reapers reproduce using organic genetic materials.
Harbinger is main Reaper.



So, why am I pwned?

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...


That you vociferously defend a game which has almost universally been declared to be less coherently plot-focused than its predecessor suggests to me that you're the one with questionable judgement. 

When did I said ME2 plot is better then ME1?

That's right, NEVER!




I'm just saying ME2 has decent plot.

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

So, why am I pwned?

 Because that's a pretty awful defense you've mounted.

Mesina2 wrote...

When did I said ME2 plot is better then ME1?

That's right, NEVER!

I'm just saying ME2 has decent plot.

Well sure, we've established that it's decent compared to MW2. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 10:14 .