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Jebel Krong

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My main issue with the two comics thus far is that they're only serving to make the ME universe feel small once again, kind of like ME2 did, but to a greater degree. TIM, General Williams, Saren and his brother, etc. all being linked like this... it just makes everything feel overly connected and convenient, and then they go to Illium, a place we all already know from the second game. Is it too much to ask to actually explore something new and have some new characters?


not only that but it spoils saren's continuity. it also spoils the illusive man's - now he's not a mysterious and intelligent guy who found out about the reaper threat by his intelligence, nous or by cerberus' (patterns in the data) but because he got "magically" influenced by the "thing." general williams just undid all the sympathy ashley managed to elicit if you persevered talking to her long enough - she got deeper and less xenophobic, general williams is just shallow and one-note, even for a comic book side-character.

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Have to love the dismissive literary elitism going on in here. After all, it's only a COMIC, you can't have decent expectations, right? Let's blindly and idiotically dismiss an entire medium out of nothing but silly prejudice.

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 Having read both issues of Mass Effect: Evolution i'm perfectly happy with the story so far and would encourage those of you on the fence to not let the vocal minority dissuade you from judging the comics for yourselves.

The only major persistent problem I have with the the comic so far is the rather inconsistent artwork from page to page; mainly in the way the two graphic artists draw the same characters.

There is no "retcon" in my mind. General Williams was forced to surrender and surrender he did. Politics ahead of human interest. Pretty much exactly as I expected. Ashley was right, he was scapegoated on the political alter but he was disillusioned long before the end of the war. It makes sense that he played a role in helping to give Jack Harper his first break. It seems his plight was partly responsible for inspiration for Cerberus.

Also we were told third-hand before that Saren's brother died on Shanxi, but again that appears to have just been a misconception which is perfectly fine in my book. He may well yet die in the events surrounding Shanxi which is at best basically arguing semantics (presumably at the hand of the Illusive Man).

Insofar as i'm aware Walters has made it plain to the reader that the turians know little more of the true nature of the object than the humans, other than to name it. Whether or not they have their own theories (theological or otherwise) is beside the point.

As for the references to the "terminus systems" and Illium and it's designation.  While the Batarians have yet to become outlaws of the council over colonisation rights with humans in the traverse and to relegated or banished to the "terminus systems", there has and will always be areas outside of council space known as the terminus systems. Whether that term had taken on political connotations at that point is unknown. "Terminus systems" if I'm not mistaken is a term relating to being outside of the incorporated network of mapped relays within citadel space, with each point outside being a terminal destination as it were.

TI.M.'s exposure to the mysterious reaper teach is as predictable as it is interesting to watch unfold. It explains his weary outlook and wisdom beyond his years albeit rather too conveniently.

My other main complaint is the admission that non of the characters are particularly compelling but what would you expect from two twenty page long comic books.

My advice would be to check it out and see for yourselves because - ignore it as you may, like it, don't like it - this material is cannon sanctioned by BioWare and at worst mildly entertaining. If you are interested in Cerberus or Ashley there is something here for you. Certainly not the trainwreck some of you are making it out to be.


That... actually sounds pretty reassuring...  Thanks, I may still actually buy this in the end :)

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Terror_K wrote...

My main issue with the two comics thus far is that they're only serving to make the ME universe feel small once again, kind of like ME2 did, but to a greater degree. TIM, General Williams, Saren and his brother, etc. all being linked like this... it just makes everything feel overly connected and convenient, and then they go to Illium, a place we all already know from the second game. Is it too much to ask to actually explore something new and have some new characters?


Wanna bet the comic will have Matriach Benezia in it before it end?

I still don't understand why Turians would move something to an Asari planet for study purpose and not a Turian colony...

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Really, I don't know why all of you get so worked up over a comic book.



There are thousends of topics on this very forums, where the devs can see what is liked and what not in the community. They'd be dumb not listening to it.

When ME3 is released this december, and it's ****ty, then you can complain and rage, but because of a little comic? Come on guys!

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I think the problem is that people take the comic way too litteral due to lack of information concerning ME3. They read the comic, spot inconsistensies and immediatly think its a bad omen for ME3. All I can say is that it perhaps should've been 8 comics long or so. It just doesn't give us enough story to flesh out the characters or certain events. Williams' surrender being a fair example. Things like tim and eva knowing the Terminus systems and knowing how to fly those cars just tell me that the comic doesn't portray the time period verry effectively, it doesn't have to mean plotholes or retcons. And please stop whining about stuf like 'the turians taking the artifact to illium makes no sense' and 'Desolas doesn't die!!einz!!1'. We still have two issues to go.

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More than one person decides what happens in the series. It isn't just Mac Walters.

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Very true, BeeCranston, although him being Lead Writer and involved with both projects will cause him to have a larger target on his back. I'm sure ME3 will be an epic game...I just hope the story itself is as well and blows us away.

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Oh wow.



You people do realize that the story has been planned by Drew a long time before ME1 was released, right?

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Phaedon wrote...

Oh wow.

You people do realize that the story has been planned by Drew a long time before ME1 was released, right?

Shh!  We can't blame him!  He wrote the original Mass Effect!  And the original was perfect!

I'd like to see how this all comes together in ME3.  Soooo many loose ends.

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^Well people have to complain about something.

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Phaedon

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Shh!  We can't blame him!  He wrote the original Mass Effect!  And the original was perfect!

I'd like to see how this all comes together in ME3.  Soooo many loose ends.

Yes, I do get paragon points for protecting innocent scriptwriters, btw.

I may have raised an eyebrow at some of the inaccuracies in the art (electrocution turns you into a husk, turian fighters over Illium), but it was too late for Walters to approve them, so I am okay with this.

Modifié par Phaedon, 21 février 2011 - 06:41 .


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The story may have been planned, but I doubt it was exactly followed as planned. I would imagine Drew could have written it, and then it was changed over time based on input and different things. Everything doesn't link up perfectly between the two games. Not saying one is worse than the other storywise or anything, but I don't think Karpyshyn wrote out everything that was going to happen or at the very least, it has been changed since then. Not that it was all changed and ruined, but I don't think it follows the exact trajectory.

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BeeCranston wrote...

The story may have been planned, but I doubt it was exactly followed as planned. I would imagine Drew could have written it, and then it was changed over time based on input and different things. Everything doesn't link up perfectly between the two games. Not saying one is worse than the other storywise or anything, but I don't think Karpyshyn wrote out everything that was going to happen or at the very least, it has been changed since then. Not that it was all changed and ruined, but I don't think it follows the exact trajectory.


This. It may have been planned, but since Drew moved on to TOR, Mac, as lead writer, can now change things around, give things a backseat, even scrap things if he wanted to, simply because the entire storyline is not public knowledge yet and we can't know the difference. Other devs may be complicit in this, given that they need to give this the rubber stamp, which is to say that Mac may not be the only one to blame.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not saying Drew wrote the perfect science fiction story. Of course ME1 had it's problems. The point is that it worked on a fundamental level as a self-contained plot and as the first installment of a trilogy. Then the ME2 and ME3 development cycles come along and throws much of the already established lore in our faces.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 21 février 2011 - 06:53 .


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BeeCranston wrote...

The story may have been planned, but I doubt it was exactly followed as planned. I would imagine Drew could have written it, and then it was changed over time based on input and different things. Everything doesn't link up perfectly between the two games. Not saying one is worse than the other storywise or anything, but I don't think Karpyshyn wrote out everything that was going to happen or at the very least, it has been changed since then. Not that it was all changed and ruined, but I don't think it follows the exact trajectory.

Changing things around wouldn't involve writing ME2's concept from scratch. And that's supposed to be the main argument that Walters sucks.

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I'll eagerly await ME3 and complain then, but I actually suppose it will be a fantastic game, just like the first two were.

And please, don't whine about small inconsistencys like the heatsinks then - if if something on that scale is all to complain about, they made a really, really good game.

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Again, wasn't all Mac for ME2. Even if the Collectors storyline was new for whatever reason, it wouldn't just be his decision.

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BeeCranston wrote...

The story may have been planned, but I doubt it was exactly followed as planned. I would imagine Drew could have written it, and then it was changed over time based on input and different things. Everything doesn't link up perfectly between the two games. Not saying one is worse than the other storywise or anything, but I don't think Karpyshyn wrote out everything that was going to happen or at the very least, it has been changed since then. Not that it was all changed and ruined, but I don't think it follows the exact trajectory.


That wouldn't work anyways.
Something so big and full of details has to be prone to changes.
And when the matter is gameplay and not story, small inconsistencies like said heatsinks emerge.
A small prize to pay if the gameplay is better afterwards and the big overall story doesn't take much damage.

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BeeCranston wrote...

Again, wasn't all Mac for ME2. Even if the Collectors storyline was new for whatever reason, it wouldn't just be his decision.

Who says that ME2 had a poor storyline? Collecting all the resources you need (squaddies) to finish the third act is the definition of act 2.

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Vengeful Nature wrote...

BeeCranston wrote...

The story may have been planned, but I doubt it was exactly followed as planned. I would imagine Drew could have written it, and then it was changed over time based on input and different things. Everything doesn't link up perfectly between the two games. Not saying one is worse than the other storywise or anything, but I don't think Karpyshyn wrote out everything that was going to happen or at the very least, it has been changed since then. Not that it was all changed and ruined, but I don't think it follows the exact trajectory.


This. It may have been planned, but since Drew moved on to TOR, Mac, as lead writer, can now change things around, give things a backseat, even scrap things if he wanted to, simply because the entire storyline is not public knowledge yet and we can't know the difference. Other devs may be complicit in this, given that they need to give this the rubber stamp.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not saying Drew wrote the perfect science fiction story. Of course ME1 had it's problems. The point is that it worked on a fundamental level as a self-contained plot and as the first installment of a trilogy. Then the ME2 and ME3 development cycles come along and throws much of the already established lore in our faces.


I am 100% convinced that the plot that we have seen so far was all as originally designed. You played ME1 as a paragon or renegade for the paragon counci/alliance faction.  You could work with them and save them in the end or complain and **** the whole game and let them die in the end. In ME2, you had a reversal. You played for the renegade team. You could complain and preach the whole game and screw them over in the end.

The story elements advanced consistantly between the two games - there were no retcons, there was nothing really jarring. That was all as the team originally wrote it.

Now the pacing of the games, the individual stories, the missions - that was probably all written at the time of each game. Now because games are very episodic and have different writers for different missions and stories, sure, I can see inconsistencies happen. They happen in every series. Watch Star Trek - minor inconsistencies abound. It the problem with you have different teams of writers doing different things.  But we really can't take it as a slap in the face. They have timelines and budgets and things get missed.

And, btw, if you were to read the Babylon 5 or BSG boards or forums during those series, there were plenty of people who complained about things just like this. It's endemic to movie/tv/game writing because unlike a novel, there are many writers and many episodes where its hard to keep everything synced.

Now, imo, ME2 had some pacing problems and the main story missions were overshadowed by the incredibly strong character missions, which drained tension. Maybe that was Mac, maybe that was someone else, but again, its a difficulty of managing the whole team and not a slap in the face.

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Phaedon wrote...

Oh wow.

You people do realize that the story has been planned by Drew a long time before ME1 was released, right?


Actually, how much control do the lead writers have over the main storyline?  Yeah, they're responsible for seeing it implemented, but I'd bet it's far less than most people around here assume.  Not that they don't have significant input, because we know the main plots of each game are first worked out with Casey Hudson, the lead writer, and the lead designer, but, well, they're just plain not the boss of ME.  

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didymos1120 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Oh wow.

You people do realize that the story has been planned by Drew a long time before ME1 was released, right?


Actually, how much control do the lead writers have over the main storyline?  Yeah, they're responsible for seeing it implemented, but I'd bet it's far less than most people around here assume.  Not that they don't have significant input, because we know the main plots of each game are first worked out with Casey Hudson, the lead writer, and the lead designer, but, well, they're just plain not the boss of ME

I am sorry, but I really don't see your point. Unless you are suggesting that CH decided to change direction to the trilogy in the midway.

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Why yes. Mass Effect was planned from the start.



Too bad they moved the only man with a plan on to some worthless MMO.

One day they'll release a sequel for Mass Effect.

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Therion942 wrote...

Why yes. Mass Effect was planned from the start.

Too bad they moved the only man with a plan on to some worthless MMO.
One day they'll release a sequel for Mass Effect.



Oh really, didn't I played on for almost a year?

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Phaedon wrote...
I am sorry, but I really don't see your point. Unless you are suggesting that CH decided to change direction to the trilogy in the midway.


My point is that "the story has been planned by Drew" is not something we know was actually the case. Unless someone's got a source.  Based on the sources we do have about how the writing works,  I highly doubt it was just Drew.  It was far more likely planned by a number of people, and Drew definitely would not have had the final word.