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[ratzerman]

1) Ash's grandfather didn't surrender Shanxi, nor did he leave the Alliance over that surrender.

Mac Walters: NOT ENUFF XTREEM!!!!

2) Saren's brother wasn't some nameless soldier that died on Shanxi, thus cementing Saren's hatred of humanity. 

Mac Walters: NOT ENUFF XTREEM!!!!

[meh_cd]

adneate wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Odd to see him without his Goat's head on, black robe and chalice full of human blood.

Bwahahahahaha...

Anyway, I decided to go back and play the original ME. While I miss some of the improvements from ME2, I still think it is better overall. And my hope that ME3 will be the best of both worlds is being chipped away piece by piece. Or comic by comic. Whatever.

[Fiery Phoenix]

nevar00 wrote...

AAAHHHHHHHHHH

What happened to Drew Karpyshyn?!  He wrote the books, I thought he was the lead writer?  Or did something happen!?

He moved to work on Star Wars after writing Retribution. He still works for BioWare; just no longer part of Mass Effect, which is horribly sad.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Didn't  Ashley state that General Williams surrundered because the battle was lost and he didn't wish his troops and civilians to suffer anymore? Nw he is just like the general in James Cameron's avatar.

[Vengeful Nature]

nevar00 wrote...
AAAHHHHHHHHHH

What happened to Drew Karpyshyn?!  He wrote the books, I thought he was the lead writer?  Or did something happen!?

Your late, brother. Dear Mr. Walters was responsible for ME2.

Yep. You remember the baby Reaper? He had a little sticker on him saying "made in Mac Walters".

Shall I break out the champagne?

[darknoon5]

I really don't see the problems with Ash's grandfather and Saren's brother. As far as Anderson knows (he's the only character I remember mentioning Saren's brother) Desolas did die in First contact, in the same way Harkin thinks Anderson was actually a spectre. General Williams may have said or been portrayed as leaving over the surrender, regardless of why he actually left.

The overall storyline and cliches though, I can accept as faults.

Also, Drew has also created inconstincies. Councilour Udina? Kahlee completely forgetting she'd already been told about the reapers?

Modifié par darknoon5, 19 février 2011 - 05:46 .

[adneate]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
Wait, can they be the villians and the deus ex machina at the same time?

Well I'm sure Mac will find a really unsatisfying way to make them both, probably will involve TIM for good measure. Oh and daddy issues can't have a piece of Mac Walters writing without a big helping of daddy issues.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I just wish Mac would play ME1.

[nevar00]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

nevar00 wrote...
AAAHHHHHHHHHH

What happened to Drew Karpyshyn?!  He wrote the books, I thought he was the lead writer?  Or did something happen!?

Your late, brother. Dear Mr. Walters was responsible for ME2.

Yep. You remember the baby Reaper? He had a little sticker on him saying "made in Mac Walters".

Shall I break out the champagne?

Oh, well in that case... I didn't think the story in ME2 was bad.  Sure the baby Reaper was really out of place, but I assume they will explain that in the third game.

I thought Drew K was in charge this whole time, I guess I should've kept up with everything going on.  Still... if these comics are supposed to lead up to ME3 some way... this doesn't look like it's going to end well.

[darknoon5]

adneate wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
Wait, can they be the villians and the deus ex machina at the same time?

Well I'm sure Mac will find a really unsatisfying way to make them both, probably will involve TIM for good measure. Oh and daddy issues can't have a piece of Mac Walters writing without a big helping of daddy issues.

Ridiculous. Let's see how many of ME1's characters have "daddy issues."

Tali=Father is royalty of sorts, not very loving
Wrex=Own father betrayed him, had to kill him
Garrus=Father dissaproves of him, a douche
Kaidan=Parents abandoned him to Baat
Ash=None really, exception
Liara=Benezia, pureblood, not knowing who her father is. She's like 3 rolled into 1.

Also Shepard either has
1) Dead parents
2) No known parents
3) Neglegent parents

Modifié par darknoon5, 19 février 2011 - 05:51 .

[adneate]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I just wish Mac would play ME1.

He's got the wiki, surely that's enough when you're the lead writer.

[Fiery Phoenix]

adneate wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I just wish Mac would play ME1.

He's got the wiki, surely that's enough when you're the lead writer.

Indeed. Relying on the ME Wiki as Lead Writer is SOMETHING!

[darknoon5]

Is anyone even paying attention to my posts, or is it easier just to whip up a frenzy of (mostly) irrational complaints?



Guess I should expect nothing less from BSN...

[ratzerman]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I just wish Mac would play ME1.

It wasn't his, so he must destroy it.

Just like male lions who kill cubs they didn't father...

[adneate]

darknoon5 wrote...
Ridiculous. Let's see how many of ME1's characters have "daddy issues."

There's ME1 daddy issues and then there is ME2 daddy issues, simply having dead parents doesn't count as daddy issues.

[The Interloper]

Yay, internal contradictions and author jostling! It's like Star Wars EU already!

[darknoon5]

adneate wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
Ridiculous. Let's see how many of ME1's characters have "daddy issues."

There's ME1 daddy issues and then there is ME2 daddy issues, simply having dead parents doesn't count as daddy issues.

All but 1of the ME1 squad has daddy issues.

Zaeed? None
Kasumi? None
Jack? None
Grunt? None to speak of
Garrus? None in ME2
Mordin? None
Legion? None

Miranda, Jacob, Tali and Thane (I'll count his son along) have daddy issues. Samara also has child issues.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

darknoon5 wrote...

Is anyone even paying attention to my posts, or is it easier just to whip up a frenzy of (mostly) irrational complaints?

Guess I should expect nothing less from BSN...

You've shot down a few complaints with possible logical answers, but quite frankly, the sheer number of other inconsistencies and bad plot devices generated by Walters is reason enough for people to sill be angry.

[Ahriman]

I've jist read it. Someone must stop this man, I hear scream of dying lore. Contradictions on every damn page.

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The incongruities don't stop there. Within weeks of the end of the First Contact War TIM is on Illium. He even has a conversation with someone mentioning how close they are to the Terminus Systems. No explanation of how he knew where Illium was, or how he knew what the Terminus Systems are. No explanation about language barriers or technical problems like not having an omni tool; he even at one point pilots a flying car on Illium. WTH? They literally made first contact less than a year before. For most of that time he's been a guerrila fighter on Shanxi. There's no way he could know any of this unless it was part of his "Reaper download".

After this my head exploded. Humans were discovered few weeks ago and nobody cares when two of them walking on Illium? Really?

[darknoon5]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Is anyone even paying attention to my posts, or is it easier just to whip up a frenzy of (mostly) irrational complaints?

Guess I should expect nothing less from BSN...

You've shot down a few complaints with possible logical answers, but quite frankly, the sheer number of other inconsistencies and bad plot devices generated by Walters is reason enough for people to sill be angry.

Like I said, the mass effect books wrote by the supposedly perfect Drew have similar issues, and they're books, allowing much greater details then a comic much more easily.

I'm not denying the problems, but I'm saying expanded universe in any universe like ME is always worse then the main media. The books are worse then ME1, the comics are worse then ME2. Mac was still involved with ME1, remember. And more people like ME2 then ME1 (proven in several polls) despite Mac's involvement.

I just think it's much ado about very little.

Modifié par darknoon5, 19 février 2011 - 06:00 .

[Nekemekem]

The point here isn't so much that the comic is over simplified and badly written, it's meant to be easy enough to grasp if you just pick it up in the comic book store for a fun sci-fi story (again, as stated in the podcast).
Hence why everything is explained to the reader with all the grace of a sledgehammer.
This was the same case when it came to the other comics Redemption, Inquisition (gives me a headache just by mentioning it) and the Genesis comic for PS3.

If you listen to the podcast you can clearly hear the lead writer explain what some of the thought behind Evolution is in particular. This is the cause for concern. Mass Effect 3 won't be as "dumbed down" in terms of script as the comics are, of course not. It may still however continue on the course of being inconsistent just as Mass Effect 2 was, coming into it with what we've learned from the base lore that was written for the series, expanded with Karpyshyn's novels.

Which is kinda...sucky, I'm one of the bajillions that loved the story in Mass Effect 1 and the insight the novels gave us into the galactic community. I think Karpyshyn did a fantastic job and I don't personally think it's being followed up very good at the moment.

I don't like the way the turians are being portrayed in Evolution, but regardless of the race possibly being up to no good, Evolution is a serious disservice to TIM's character, in my personal opinion. He filled a very good role as the perfect leader for a very well organized and funded band of terrorists. I can fully support that he's had a bad run in with them there alien-folks in his past, he's been around since day one of first contact, which gives him a lot of insight and understandable politics. But...this? Hot mess if you ask me.

edit: typo derp.

Modifié par Nekemekem, 19 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[adneate]

darknoon5 wrote...
And more people like ME2 then ME1 (proven in several polls) despite Mac's involvement.

I just think it's much ado about very little.

So lots of people like Justin Beiber and Nickelback that doesn't make that crap good.

[nevar00]

I was wondering how TIM and the Turians were communicating. Humans had just ran into them: how could they have possibly understood each other?



But now it all makes sense! It wasn't supposed to!

[darknoon5]

adneate wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
And more people like ME2 then ME1 (proven in several polls) despite Mac's involvement.

I just think it's much ado about very little.

So lots of people like Justin Beiber and Nickelback that doesn't make that crap good.

Yes, but my point is most the members here prefer ME2 to ME1. Don't make me post the polls.

The members here are also a niche. Most casual and hardcore RPG players I know who aren't Bioware fanboys prefer ME2. Most shooter fans I know also prefer ME2. Everybody wins.

The complainers are always louder with everything. People prefer to complain then praise, it's a fact.

This is all irelevant, but you're stating outright Justin Bieber is bad. I hate his music, but you're stating your opinion is more important then that of his fans, and that their opinion is invalid. That is arrogance at it's height.

EDIT
Polls to prove my point.
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Also note in 2 more PC users aren't dissapointed then 360 users. Just want to point this out before "omg herp derp every me2 fan is a lame 360 filthy shooter fan."

Modifié par darknoon5, 19 février 2011 - 06:11 .