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[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

marshalleck wrote...

Well to be fair, Casey Hudson had to approve everything that Mac Walters approved. So in this thread you can poke him with sticks too.

Heh, well, "Chud" does get a lot of hate already.

[Sunnie]

marshalleck wrote...

Well to be fair, Casey Hudson had to approve everything that Mac Walters approved. So in this thread you can poke him with sticks too.

So very true. I am not much a Hudson fan, but as executive producer, he has a lot more to worry about than the actual story. I'm not so sure he actually is paying that much attention to the actual story, its content, or the consistency that has eluded Walters.

[marshalleck]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well to be fair, Casey Hudson had to approve everything that Mac Walters approved. So in this thread you can poke him with sticks too.

Heh, well, "Chud" does get a lot of hate already.

Haha, Chud. I'm totally stealing that. 

[jlb524]

darknoon5 wrote...

That is, unless you were actually expecting to fight the reapers.

No, I was expecting ME2's story to continue from ME1's and set the stage for the final Reaper showdown in ME3.  I would expect that we'd find out more about the Reapers...perhaps some clues on how they could finally be defeated.  I had always expected that ME2 would involve Shepard and the ME1 crew scouring the galaxy for clues about the Reapers, picking up some new squad mates along the way.  This would be a nice buildup to ME3.

Instead, Shepard dies and is working for Cerberus doing pointless errands for people.

As mentioned, 'OMG THE PROTHEANS ARE COLLECTORS!' really doesn't cut it either.

[Personality Disorder]

@darknoon5
You know, I kind of appreciate what you are trying to do here. It is really hard to play "devil's advocate", but I can't help but notice, that this is probably neither the time nor the place for it.

Most people prefer ME2, that's true, but it is NOT because of the story. ME2 is a better gaming experience overall, that can hardly be denied, but not a better story, sorry. And yes, I know I am voicing my opinion right now. 

Most of those who complain here are afraid that inconsistencies and retcons will influence ME3 (which is a probability, face it) and ruin it. They don't want the story to acceptable (as you've put it), they want it to be good.

And just to spread the panic: for those of you who've mentioned turians becoming villains in the third game - do you remember the silhouette shot by the sniper guy in the teaser trailer for ME3? DIdn't it  look awfully like a turian to you?  

Modifié par Personality Disorder, 19 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

jlb524 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

That is, unless you were actually expecting to fight the reapers.

No, I was expecting ME2's story to continue from ME1's and set the stage for the final Reaper showdown in ME3.  I would expect that we'd find out more about the Reapers...perhaps some clues on how they could finally be defeated.  I had always expected that ME2 would involve Shepard and the ME1 crew scouring the galaxy for clues about the Reapers, picking up some new squad mates along the way.  This would be a nice buildup to ME3.

Instead, Shepard dies and is working for Cerberus doing pointless errands for people.

As mentioned, 'OMG THE PROTHEANS ARE COLLECTORS!' really doesn't cut it either.

That is to say, it wasn't Mass Effect Two; it was Mass Effect Too.

[marshalleck]

How it should have gone:

ME1: Introduction
ME2: Exposition
ME3: Resolution

How it's going to be:

ME1: Introduction
ME2: Bunt/delay/distract
ME3: Exposition and resolution chopped up and crammed into a single game

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
That is to say, it wasn't Mass Effect Two; it was Mass Effect Too.

Nice.  I should remember that.

Personality Disorder wrote...

And just to spread the panic: for those of you who've mentioned turians becoming villains in the third game - do you remember the silhouette shot by the sniper guy in the teaser trailer for ME3? DIdn't it  look awfully like a turian to you?

Hmm, possibly.  I still think it is too inconclusive what exactly the silhouette is.

Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 19 février 2011 - 07:10 .

[AdmiralCheez]

My face when these spoilers:

[Gleym]

marshalleck wrote...

How it should have gone:

ME1: Introduction
ME2: Exposition
ME3: Resolution

How it's going to be:

ME1: Introduction
ME2: Bunt/delay/distract
ME3: Exposition and resolution chopped up and crammed into a single game

This, this, this, a thousand times this.

[marshalleck]

I thought that..thing...shot by the sniper in the Earth trailer looked and moved an awful lot like a husk.

[The-Person]

I still don't get why people hate Mac, but worship Drew as if he is any better. The three Mass Effect books are pretty bad and are also full of inconsistencies. Drew is also credited as lead writer for ME2 with Mac. The dialogue in ME2 is leaps and bounds better then ME1. I still don't understand why you people still hang around this forum if you guys are so convinced that ME3 will be bad. Do you people really have nothing in your lives, except to complain about a game you are already convinced will suck. Just stop coming to the forum, and don't buy ME3. Just keep playing ME1 over and over or find some other game series to play. This isn't the only video game out there. Also the comic is scripted by John Miller, and not Mac.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I'm not the only one to seem to have failed to find any real story in ME2. The only thing in ME2 that was main story was "Oh, the Collectors are really Prothians. Ok, /story. They filled in the rest of the 20 hours of game play with back story shorts for all the new shiny companions. Oh boy!  Do you have anything really inteligent to add to this discussion or are you just going to post snipes like the above, as you normally do everywhere else on this forum?

pwned
Not to mention, that Collectors plot doesnt make sense.
ME 2 story is good until you start to think about it. Which I as adventure gamer do unfortunately.

I'll sum up ME2 plot( without anything from squadmates):

A terrorist organization Cerberus resurrects you( WITH SCIENCE!) so you can stop the Reapers since their threat is being ignored. You find out that humans are getting massively abducted and nothing to suggest who and how did it. You get send on Freedoms Progress and you find out that mysterious aliens Collectors are on responsible and you must find out is there any connection with Reapers. After a while you get send on Horizon where you confirm they are working with them. After a while you later get send to investigate Collector Derelict ship and find out Collectors were once Protheins and about IFF. Once you decide to get IFF, your crew get's abducted later on and once again you decide when you want to hit on Collectors. In base you find out they are making the Human Reaper which is in very early stage of development and that they are using humans genetic material to create it( also in ME1 cut content there are dialogues about it).



So what did we learn?

Reapers are mostly interested in humans( especially in Shepard).
Collectors were once Protheins.
Reapers reproduce using organic genetic materials.
Harbinger is main Reaper.



So, why am I pwned?

[Khayness]

Do we even have a franchise canon like SW (movies > licenced novels > comics > games)?

Ascension was mentioned in ME2, Redemption, well, Liara's short story in LotSB really sums up all the cool explosions and gratious ass shots.

We might not need to fear that much.

[Personality Disorder]

marshalleck wrote...

I thought that..thing...shot by the sniper in the Earth trailer looked and moved an awful lot like a husk.

Yeah, I know, still, first time I saw it - the body proportions reminded me more of the turian, than of a human being.
I totally admit though - this is crazy unsolicited speculation on my part.

[marshalleck]

The-Person wrote...

I still don't get why people hate Mac, but worship Drew as if he is any better. The three Mass Effect books are pretty bad and are also full of inconsistencies. Drew is also credited as lead writer for ME2 with Mac. The dialogue in ME2 is leaps and bounds better then ME1. I still don't understand why you people still hang around this forum if you guys are so convinced that ME3 will be bad. Do you people really have nothing in your lives, except to complain about a game you are already convinced will suck. Just stop coming to the forum, and don't buy ME3. Just keep playing ME1 over and over or find some other game series to play. This isn't the only video game out there. Also the comic is scripted by John Miller, and not Mac.

We know devs read the forum, and they should see the criticism for what it is. That "love it or leave it" crap is just that, apathetic and apologetic crap. 

And Mac doesn't do the scripting, as in writing out the dialogue for each panel of the comic. What he does is outline the story and supply all the relevant information. The comic book production team does the rest. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2011 - 07:24 .

[Rottee]

Read the thread. I agree that what Mac is doing to canon is....not good.



I think the reason hes pissing so many fans off is because he is writing these comics from a perspective that is "Humans always good and badass, every other species that might challenge this ideal is evil and bad." Kind of simplistic but...just read the dialogue in his comics. Haha jk, sorta.



I think this perspective is one that might be ok with maybe newcomers to mass effect, or people who do just pick up a comic in the store and think, "huh, this looks cool." But for fans who have played and followed mass effect from the first game, this perspective is offensive. The comics are playing games with the universe that many fans fell in love with and are passionate about.



I am one of these fans. I love both me1 and me2, for different reasons. But after playing both I wasnt angry like i am when reading these comics. I was satisfied, inspired and excited. I loved the books, read em in a day each. I thought they were thoughtful and believable enough additions to the universe.

[Gleym]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'll sum up ME2 plot( without anything from squadmates):

A terrorist organization Cerberus resurrects you( WITH SCIENCE!) so you can stop the Reapers since their threat is being ignored. You find out that humans are getting massively abducted and nothing to suggest who and how did it. You get send on Freedoms Progress and you find out that mysterious aliens Collectors are on responsible and you must find out is there any connection with Reapers. After a while you get send on Horizon where you confirm they are working with them. After a while you later get send to investigate Collector Derelict ship and find out Collectors were once Protheins and about IFF. Once you decide to get IFF, your crew get's abducted later on and once again you decide when you want to hit on Collectors. In base you find out they are making the Human Reaper which is in very early stage of development and that they are using humans genetic material to create it( also in ME1 cut content there are dialogues about it).



So what did we learn?

Reapers are mostly interested in humans( especially in Shepard).
Collectors were once Protheins.
Reapers reproduce using organic genetic materials.
Harbinger is main Reaper.



So, why am I pwned?

It's funny to read it when it's made out to be such a big story - and yet that's just 10% of the game.. the other 90% is spent on probing planets and helping with daddy issues.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Mac Walters is seriously writing ME3??????? I apologize for being late in this thread but wtf is bioware thinking????? Well maybe I can stop worrying about new details for ME3 since it officially has the potential to blow now (in a not good way).

[Personality Disorder]

Khayness wrote...

Do we even have a franchise canon like SW (movies > licenced novels > comics > games)?
Ascension was mentioned in ME2, Redemption, well, Liara's short story in LotSB really sums up all the cool explosions and gratious ass shots.
We might not need to fear that much.

I (like many, many others here I'm sure) am really hoping you are right. Anxiety is fun though and on a more serious note: our fears are not exactly completely unsubstantiated.

[marshalleck]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Mac Walters is seriously writing ME3??????? I apologize for being late in this thread but wtf is bioware thinking????? Well maybe I can stop worrying about new details for ME3 since it officially has the potential to blow now (in a not good way).

Actually, I believe the game is already written. Some Bioware employee recently (in the last few months) tweeted that they did a full playthrough of what was hinted to be ME3 over a holiday weekend. They said it was great too, but the point is the writing should by now be mostly hammered out. They began on it before ME2 had been released, according to a video interview with Chud.

[The-Person]

marshalleck wrote...

The-Person wrote...

I still don't get why people hate Mac, but worship Drew as if he is any better. The three Mass Effect books are pretty bad and are also full of inconsistencies. Drew is also credited as lead writer for ME2 with Mac. The dialogue in ME2 is leaps and bounds better then ME1. I still don't understand why you people still hang around this forum if you guys are so convinced that ME3 will be bad. Do you people really have nothing in your lives, except to complain about a game you are already convinced will suck. Just stop coming to the forum, and don't buy ME3. Just keep playing ME1 over and over or find some other game series to play. This isn't the only video game out there. Also the comic is scripted by John Miller, and not Mac.

We know devs read the forum, and they should see the criticism for what it is. That "love it or leave it" crap is just that, apathetic and apologetic crap. 

And Mac doesn't do the scripting, as in writing out the dialogue for each panel of the comic. What he does is outline the story and supply all the relevant information. The comic book production team does the rest. 

However people are not giving constructive criticism, and this forum is not the majority of players. If it was, the majority of fan would be playing FemSHep, but we know for collected data that more play as maleshep. Based on this forum most people would not be playing as soldier, but from data we know most play as soldier. The most vocal people might say that they hate the story or hate ME2, but that does not mean they have the majority opinion.  Anyways, mot of the criticism has been bashing. Most people have not been giving any construtive criticism. I have no problem with people giving criticism with some way how to improve things, but I don't like it when people bash mindlessly.

Modifié par The-Person, 19 février 2011 - 07:35 .

[lolwot]

Wizz wrote...

I've jist read it. Someone must stop this man, I hear scream of dying lore. Contradictions on every damn page.

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The incongruities don't stop there. Within weeks of the end of the First Contact War TIM is on Illium. He even has a conversation with someone mentioning how close they are to the Terminus Systems. No explanation of how he knew where Illium was, or how he knew what the Terminus Systems are. No explanation about language barriers or technical problems like not having an omni tool; he even at one point pilots a flying car on Illium. WTH? They literally made first contact less than a year before. For most of that time he's been a guerrila fighter on Shanxi. There's no way he could know any of this unless it was part of his "Reaper download".

After this my head exploded. Humans were discovered few weeks ago and nobody cares when two of them walking on Illium? Really?

It's fitting sort of like how people didn't care that Shepard was brought back from the dead.