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[Maria Caliban]

I'm going to point out that if someone played a REAL RPG instead of a cRPG, they would have a nature/survival skill if they were pre-industrial, that would basically function as a compass, radar, and HUD. Also, many REAL RPGs have modern and future setting where a compass, radar, and HUD make perfect sense.

While I'm at it, in REAL RPGs, you don't actually spend hours running the hell around but tell your GM "I'm going to go to the Mountain of Sunderzief."

Only in cRPGs are you expected to waste your time trecking in real time across the landscape.

[Dhiro]

*sigh* Really, people? Do you guys think you can try this elitist crap?

[Mad-Max90]

When is the last time any of you played BG? Because it's really not as good as anything they produced recently. God I feel bad for anybody who starts threads like this one because this is when the old titan worshippers come out to lash out against "new" bioware fans. Like Zues I think this game can be the Titan killer!

[Lennonkun]

Part of the problem I think is that Bioware has lost sight of their vision. Their games seem to nowadays pander to fans so they can go "squee~!" about something and hope to have sex with a companion with that sole intention. Rather than create a character actually well written and developed, like say Viconia.

If Bioware could create a char that even came close to Viconia again, I will truly be impressed. Or the humor that was Edwin or Minsc.

Also as said, if you haven't played BG1 or 2, you owe it to yourself to do so. While you are it you should play Planescape:Torment and Fallout 1 and 2 also.

No trolling here, just giving my honest impressions.

Also, you do need to remember BG1 and 2 were based on DnD 2nd ed, a very real system with many things already in game. Dragon Age has none of that background, they had to make everything, so it is difficult to use such an excuse against DA purely because it simply wasn't licensed, it had no access to those tools or resources.

Modifié par Lennonkun, 19 février 2011 - 07:48 .

[moilami]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm going to point out that if someone played a REAL RPG instead of a cRPG, they would have a nature/survival skill if they were pre-industrial, that would basically function as a compass, radar, and HUD. Also, many REAL RPGs have modern and future setting where a compass, radar, and HUD make perfect sense.

While I'm at it, in REAL RPGs, you don't actually spend hours running the hell around but tell your GM "I'm going to go to the Mountain of Sunderzief."

Only in cRPGs are you expected to waste your time trecking in real time across the landscape.

What nature survival skill give you a radar and quest compass? Does the compas show "lol NPC ur looking for iz dere". And thanks Broodmother there is exploration in cRPG! 

If you see BG series as "waste of time" it is your opinion. I don't see the freedom offered in BG series as waste of time, and I don't have to spend hours running the hell around.

It is called exploration, and some stupid compasses and radars showing "lol ur quest item / npc is here" is just meh when compared to BG where you go to the area, explore it, find some people, go discuss with them to see what people they are, and then you see they were wrong people or they were right people. 

[Dhiro]

Moilami, I'd think your opnion would be better received if you didn't talked about everything else like crap. You think Baldur's Gate is better than Dragon Age? Great, good for you, but callin the game and the players stupid is bad, very bad.

[Lennonkun]

Dhiro wrote...

Moilami, I'd think your opnion would be better received if you didn't talked about everything else like crap. You think Baldur's Gate is better than Dragon Age? Great, good for you, but callin the game and the players stupid is bad, very bad.

I'll never understand how the tone of a post detracts from it if the ideas behind it are solid...

[Dhiro]

Lennonkun wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Moilami, I'd think your opnion would be better received if you didn't talked about everything else like crap. You think Baldur's Gate is better than Dragon Age? Great, good for you, but callin the game and the players stupid is bad, very bad.

I'll never understand how the tone of a post detracts from it if the ideas behind it are solid...

Really? It seems really obvious for me - people like to be treated with respect, if you don't then no matter how solid your opinion is, chance is that they will stop paying attention. A chance for a nice discussion going straight to hell.

But whatever works for you.

[Lennonkun]

Dhiro wrote...

Really? It seems really obvious for me - people like to be treated with respect, if you don't then no matter how solid your opinion is, chance is that they will stop paying attention. A chance for a nice discussion going straight to hell.

But whatever works for you.

We are on the internet, anonymity reigns supreme. People talks like jerks, and respect is earned just like in real life. Filtering out tone to get to the real meat should be an evolutionary skill by now...

EDIT: But this is getting off topic... Needless to say, from what I have seen, it saddens me that Bioware has completely forgotten that they ever called Dragon Age a "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" because while I loved DA:O and it was close, it fell just short. I had hoped DA2 would rise further, but it instead went the exact wrong direction to the point it can simply no longer be called anything remotely like BG, which is sad for me, and pretty much every other old-school Bioware fan.

Modifié par Lennonkun, 19 février 2011 - 08:12 .

[Dhiro]

Lennonkun wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Really? It seems really obvious for me - people like to be treated with respect, if you don't then no matter how solid your opinion is, chance is that they will stop paying attention. A chance for a nice discussion going straight to hell.

But whatever works for you.

We are on the internet, anonymity reigns supreme. People talks like jerks, and respect is earned just like in real life. Filtering out tone to get to the real meat should be an evolutionary skill by now...

I don't think I'd like to be in a place where people can't even pretend to be nice. Oh, well.

[Klace]

This game will be way better than Baldur's Gate 2.

Much more satisfying too.

[Lennonkun]

Dhiro wrote...

I don't think I'd like to be in a place where people can't even pretend to be nice. Oh, well.

I personally abhor masks. Everyday to function in society people have to put a mask on to further their own goals and ambitions. It is disgusting and two-faced. Yet this is the civil society we live in.

Modifié par Lennonkun, 19 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[darklordpocky-san]

I am but a welp, what is this Baldur's Gate of which you speak of?



Is it of great value, does it have the Spellsword mastery?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I almost posted in this thread. Man, it would have been epic.



*diminishes and goes into the west*

[Curlain]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I almost posted in this thread. Man, it would have been epic.

*diminishes and goes into the west*

The time of BG is ending.  The time has come for the dominion of DA2  

On a serious note, while I guess any game comes down to personal experiences in terms of judging one over another, I think for many, myself included, I can't see DA2 coming anywhere near to equally BG2.  Particularly as it seems to have gone in many respects into the direction of the ME games and has changed significantly from DA:O.

Modifié par Curlain, 19 février 2011 - 08:41 .

[Eternalist]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

Never ever ever say somenthing negative about Baldurs Gate , you cant do that , because its Blasphemy , all the gamers Gods gonna curse you , and you deserve ... Burn in the purifying fire of Baldurs Gate awesomeness !!!

 

Novelty account?

[BIO18]

Oh my god if your not happy with DA2 then go and play your "awsome" BG2 , I think its gonna be a lot better . And all of you too , the only reason those fanboys still say that is nostalgia . Yes BG was awsome but come on let it go now . If you had the choice betwen playing BG2 and dragon age 2 what would you pick ? I loved BG 2 and I was a huge fan BUT ITS A 10 YEAR OLD GAME ! Its like if I say PacMan is better the halo

[moilami]

Dhiro wrote...

Moilami, I'd think your opnion would be better received if you didn't talked about everything else like crap. You think Baldur's Gate is better than Dragon Age? Great, good for you, but callin the game and the players stupid is bad, very bad.

Well guess I should be less visibly objective then.

I love to be lost. It is great to figure where the heck I can go, what the hell I can do, what is happening, and just go where I want gathering small pieces of information on the way without any radars and arrows holding virtually my hand.

In DA after one a few hours of gaming you know what you need to do. Kill the archdemon. In BG you have to play hours and hours before you know for sure who you need to kill ultimately and what the hell is happening. And the sweet revenge gets so very sweet when all pieces of the puzzle is done and you see the full picture.

The only interesting puzzle in DA was chantry/mage issue. Then there was some other issues like dalish elves and werevolves, Branka and golems, and, hmm, Dwarven politics and culture, yeah fine stuff to add some depth to otherwise very shallow story. For mystery there was Anora and Loghain for Drama. So DA was not bad, but story in BG was more thrilling. Graphics were better in DA and you could have sex with hot chicks or [insert your fancy word here] males. 

Anyway I understand very well superior graphics and romances make people convinced BG is not even worth to try, especially when people in general don't want to be lost and clueless of what the hell is happening and why. 

It is actually quite hard for me to say my opinion which game is better but since I don't care romances that much and like mystery and being lost I say BG is better in my opinion.


Edit: Note if I say I think some game is crap I am not saying people who play that game are crap. This should be self-explanatory. There are tons of bad games, bad movies, bad books, and I can say so, but if I say so I don't say those who like them are bad.

Edit: And lol if you people would hear how I say my opinions face to face when I use Finnish language you would probably try to kill me if you get so berserk of how I write in forums. Or much rather, you would just be silent. Since It is easy to write into forums but not to speak face to face Just sayin'.

Modifié par moilami, 19 février 2011 - 08:54 .

[Lennonkun]

BIO18 wrote...
 Its like if I say PacMan is better the halo

Halo is an abnomination so... yes Pac-Man is better.

[AlanC9]

Lennonkun wrote...
EDIT: But this is getting off topic... Needless to say, from what I have seen, it saddens me that Bioware has completely forgotten that they ever called Dragon Age a "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" because while I loved DA:O and it was close, it fell just short. I had hoped DA2 would rise further, but it instead went the exact wrong direction to the point it can simply no longer be called anything remotely like BG, which is sad for me, and pretty much every other old-school Bioware fan.

Depends on what you mean by "old-school Bioware fan," of course. I consider myself one, but judging from your posts here I don't agree with you about much of anything. For starters, I don't see any superiority whatsoever in BG2's characters over DAO's.

And if you're going to say that DA2 is going in the wrong direction, you might want to say what it's donig wrong.

[Dragoncloud]

If it takes over 80hours to finish with 1 hit kills (yeah i started to want to advance the fights faster to continue the story, and it still took nice & long to finish the game) then yes da2 might have a small chance of being better then bg2....

[Yrkoon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm going to point out that if someone played a REAL RPG instead of a cRPG, they would have a nature/survival skill if they were pre-industrial, that would basically function as a compass, radar, and HUD. Also, many REAL RPGs have modern and future setting where a compass, radar, and HUD make perfect sense.

While I'm at it, in REAL RPGs, you don't actually spend hours running the hell around but tell your GM "I'm going to go to the Mountain of Sunderzief."

Only in cRPGs are you expected to waste your time trecking in real time across the landscape.

This is true to a great extent.  In a real RPG one of your party members  takes the adequate skills of tracking and such... and then the GM/DM rolls the dice then  gives the party the  information that the party member's skills dictate he should have.  The end result is virtually the same as having the game do it for you

Also, one more thing.  BG2 had both a compass and an area map...  a mutable area map that the player can add markers to.  So I don't know  where the claim that  maps, huds and markers = modernization,  or "dumbing down" of RPGs comes from, exactly.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[Aran Linvail]

Pacman is king

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 19 février 2011 - 09:15 .

[moilami]

simfamSP wrote...

BIO18 wrote...

Oh my god if your not happy with DA2 then go and play your "awsome" BG2 , I think its gonna be a lot better . And all of you too , the only reason those fanboys still say that is nostalgia . Yes BG was awsome but come on let it go now . If you had the choice betwen playing BG2 and dragon age 2 what would you pick ? I loved BG 2 and I was a huge fan BUT ITS A 10 YEAR OLD GAME ! Its like if I say PacMan is better the halo

BG2...it's the reason why Bioware are where they are now. Treat it with respect, it is the Jesus Christ of Gaming... The Order Dictates.

BG is old testament. DA is new testament. Which is better?