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[AtreiyaN7]

I guess someone decided to open up a can of worms. I'll be hiding in the bomb shelter over there.

[DalishRanger]

I've been with Bioware since Neverwinter Nights, but Baldur's Gate II is what cemented me as a longtime fan, and really helped to expand my interests in RPGs. It still remains one of my favorite video games to date. That said, it's hardly without its flaws. I love it despite them, but it's not the only game I adore and replay to death. Will DA2 be better than BG2 in my eyes? Maybe, maybe not. Really, as long as I enjoy my time playing the game, I could give a rat's arse which is arbitrarily declared to be "better," especially since such views are highly objective and dependent on personal preferences.

[AlanC9]

moilami wrote...
In DA after one a few hours of gaming you know what you need to do. Kill the archdemon. In BG you have to play hours and hours before you know for sure who you need to kill ultimately and what the hell is happening. And the sweet revenge gets so very sweet when all pieces of the puzzle is done and you see the full picture.

Really? In BG1 you didn't know you'd end the game by killing that armored weirdo who killed Gorion? In BG2 you didn't know you were going to end the game by killing Irenicus before you even took a single action in the game?

But I don't want to snark at you too much; there is something to be said for a bit of mystery about what the player's up to. Actually, ME2 gets a lot of grief from people who seem to want to be led around more.

[Yrkoon]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I guess someone decided to open up a can of worms. I'll be hiding in the bomb shelter over there.

I agree.  This whole  cliche discussion is  pointless.


It's like  having 2 kids and  being asked to pick the one you love the most.  I won't do it.  And f**k the person who asks me to.  lol

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 février 2011 - 09:07 .

[moilami]

AlanC9 wrote...

moilami wrote...
In DA after one a few hours of gaming you know what you need to do. Kill the archdemon. In BG you have to play hours and hours before you know for sure who you need to kill ultimately and what the hell is happening. And the sweet revenge gets so very sweet when all pieces of the puzzle is done and you see the full picture.

Really? In BG1 you didn't know you'd end the game by killing that armored weirdo who killed Gorion? In BG2 you didn't know you were going to end the game by killing Irenicus before you even took a single action in the game?

But I don't want to snark at you too much; there is something to be said for a bit of mystery about what the player's up to. Actually, ME2 gets a lot of grief from people who seem to want to be led around more.

I wrote you had to play for hours and hours before you could know for sure, and that means your char not meta gaming information. Of course the first cinematic what your character never saw but you saw made it obvious who you need to kill, but still, why? Just for the revenge? Just because he is yet another baddie ™? Why? What's the deal?

BG2 I have never finished, and I am not bothered of it. It was obvious I need to kill the most awesome mage in the realm and that my char is not happy to do. So he has found something more interesting things to do. Like travelling with the sun elf. Or with the noble chick! She was hot. I imagine posh having ladylike manners in bed.

[Lennonkun]

AlanC9 wrote...

Depends on what you mean by "old-school Bioware fan," of course. I consider myself one, but judging from your posts here I don't agree with you about much of anything. For starters, I don't see any superiority whatsoever in BG2's characters over DAO's.

And if you're going to say that DA2 is going in the wrong direction, you might want to say what it's donig wrong.

To a borrow a phrase... "Stop getting your jrpg mixed into my wrpg." except in this case theres also some ME2 in there.

I'll sum up simply what I currently dislike/has me worried about DA2.

1. Advent Children Hotrods- Seriously, Hawke is like Cloud from Advent Children.This is supposed to be good?
2. Retconned Hotrodded Hotrods- Don't give me the lame excuse of "Varrics is just telling what he knows!" That is a cop out and you know it. This is no excuse for Flemeth to suddenly have horn hair or Qunri to have horns.
3. "Improved Hotrodded Hotrods on Hotrods"- Bioware claimed to hotrod and improve the graphics and yet have shown us NOTHING of the sort. We have not seen a single high quality picture and the demo itself is locked at medium. Also they are releasing a special "hi-res texture pack" for PC users to downlaod seperate. Why not just put it on the disk and save us the time?
4. Conversations- Sadly little can be done about this and the convos in BG are hardly different in the long run, think of this more a flaw of RPGs in general.
5. Romances- I summed up my thoughts earlier. Companions are viewed purely as "I can have sex with it! Oh oh! SQUEE~~This button will make her have sex with me!" Most people playing BG or PS:T never even knew romance was in those games.

Modifié par Lennonkun, 19 février 2011 - 09:21 .

[Kileyan]

AlanC9 wrote...

 Actually, ME2 gets a lot of grief from people who seem to want to be led around more.

How is that even possible?

[Aran Linvail]

My first post i was joking , but now let me tell something ...



I dont know why people always compare new Rpg's Vs Bg , i see alot of people saying the BG fans are elitists , are these are that ... But the Topic its not open by a BG fan who says BG is better than Da2 ...



As you can see , i love Baldur's Gate , but i also Love Kotor , Jade empire , Planet escape , nwn , Dao ...



Bg have a special spot in the old players heart , yes , you see Baldur's Gate its like the first love , you gonna love others in your life , but the first have that special place ... And make you sad when someone talk down about ... I think DA2 is gonna be a great game , sure i hope so , i think is gonna be better than BG , its impossible to compare different times , technologies , etc ...



So leave BG alone , and focus on DA2 , want to compare , use DAO is the sequel , its fair.



Peace and long live the RPG's



PS: Sorry for my English

[moilami]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

My first post i was joking , but now let me tell something ...

I dont know why people always compare new Rpg's Vs Bg , i see alot of people saying the BG fans are elitists , are these are that ... But the Topic its not open by a BG fan who says BG is better than Da2 ...

As you can see , i love Baldur's Gate , but i also Love Kotor , Jade empire , Planet escape , nwn , Dao ...

Bg have a special spot in the old players heart , yes , you see Baldur's Gate its like the first love , you gonna love others in your life , but the first have that special place ... And make you sad when someone talk down about ... I think DA2 is gonna be a great game , sure i hope so , i think is gonna be better than BG , its impossible to compare different times , technologies , etc ...

So leave BG alone , and focus on DA2 , want to compare , use DAO is the sequel , its fair.

Peace and long live the RPG's

PS: Sorry for my English

BG was not my first love. I played about close to 20 cRPGs before it.


Edit: And several pen & paper RPGs.

Modifié par moilami, 19 février 2011 - 09:19 .

[lrrose]

Lennonkun wrote...


5. Companions- I summed up my thoughts earlier. Companions are viewed purely as "I can have sex with it! Oh oh! SQUEE~~This button will make her have sex with me!" Most people playing BG or PS:T never even knew romance was in those games.

I would argue that that is more of a problem with the fandom and not with the game itself (especially since 4 of the 8 non DLC companions are non-romancable).

[Lennonkun]

lrrose wrote...

I would argue that that is more of a problem with the fandom and not with the game itself (especially since 4 of the 8 non DLC companions are non-romancable).

Good point, I'll edit it, but feel free to replace Companions with Romances

EDIT: I gotta say though, DA:O/2 does have one massive benefit. The modding communities.

That says little for Bioware of course since it is leaving the community to improve their own game, but hell, Fallout3, NV, and Oblivion are unplayable unless they are modded. I pity the poor fool who plays vanilla Oblivion.

I fully expect the modders to fix much of what will need fixing when the time comes...I also of course fear the incest mod which I am sure will begin development immediately once the toolset is released and the subsequent horrifying mods to come.

Modifié par Lennonkun, 19 février 2011 - 09:34 .

[Harid]

Depends on your definition of better.



I doubt they'll match the pacing or the story of BG2, but beating it elsewhere isn't all that difficult, especially when it comes to gameplay and arguably, lore, but those are more so issues with crappy Advanced D&D than anything else.

[Felfenix]

How can DA2 compete with nostalgia?

[AlexXIV]

Felfenix wrote...

How can DA2 compete with nostalgia?

In ten years.

[Mad-Max90]

Let's get this straight BG is not the Jesus Christ of gaming at the very most it's the Moses.

[Melduran]

I wonder if the appeal to BG1-2 from people is more about the old tabletop system and how the real hardcore RPG fans were once dungeons and dragons players. In truth were all in a since D&D players if you enjoy games like Dragon age or any with a Tolken universe.



Since BG2 there have been so many other RPGs that have streamlined this universe for instance W.O.W. has introduced to a new generation that A+B=loot with no other solution. And the imagination that went along with RPGs is a mere flicker in a dark tunnel. But the term RPG is pretty vague in itself anymore it doesn't nessicarly mean your taking the absolute role of an avatar instead you become the mediator of the choices that are presented to you. So really who's to say which is better when the world you play in is black and white.

[jones0901]

this is an unfair arguement for DA II. people are intermingling 10 years of nostalgia and how much fun they had with BGII. Your not really remembering how good the game was, just how much you enjoyed it,
dont get me wrong, so am i, and i dont think DAII can get near BGII , but this debate wont be unbiased for about 10 years

[AlanC9]

moilami wrote...
I wrote you had to play for hours and hours before you could know for sure, and that means your char not meta gaming information. Of course the first cinematic what your character never saw but you saw made it obvious who you need to kill, but still, why? Just for the revenge? Just because he is yet another baddie ™? Why? What's the deal?

BG2 I have never finished, and I am not bothered of it. It was obvious I need to kill the most awesome mage in the realm and that my char is not happy to do. So he has found something more interesting things to do. Like travelling with the sun elf. Or with the noble chick! She was hot. I imagine posh having ladylike manners in bed.

I didn't realize you were only takling about BG1. That's pretty much an outlier as far as Bio titles go. Plot-wise it's got much more in common with, say, Morrowind, than with anything else Bio's ever done.

And I'm not sure it's quite true to say that you know what you're supposed to do in DAO very early, unless you're talking about reading the back cover of the box. It's not until after Ostagar that your role becomes clear.

[drahelvete]

Fadook wrote...

So sick of hearing about the wonderfulness that was Minsc and Boo. They weren't funny. They were obviously meant to be but they epic failed.

I know. I think Minsc and Boo were funny, but there were plenty of BG characters that were a lot funnier (Edwin/a being my personal favorite).

Modifié par drahelvete, 19 février 2011 - 10:02 .

[Mad-Max90]

All you oldies can have baulder's gate, I did not enjoy it. The old fans just like repeating their old argument on why BG is on such a high pedastool "is the game 750 hours long like my obsolete childhood game, no, than I don't want any part of it. In fact I will continue criticising every game the company makes simply because it doesn't have baulder's in the title"

[SirGladiator]

BG2 was pretty unique and cool in a lot of ways, its hard to compare anything to it. It was incredibly difficult, super-duper deep, and filled with all sorts of unique characters and storylines. I think DAO was a pretty good 'modern version' of BG2 in that sense. Hopefully DA2 will continue that tradition, Im pretty optimistic.

[AlanC9]

Kileyan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

 Actually, ME2 gets a lot of grief from people who seem to want to be led around more.

How is that even possible?

I don't mean physically. Rather, emotionally and maybe intellectually. It's like they need someone telling them what happened rather than just seeing what happened.

[Lennonkun]

Melduran wrote...

Since BG2 there have been so many other RPGs that have streamlined this universe for instance W.O.W. has introduced to a new generation that A+B=loot with no other solution. And the imagination that went along with RPGs is a mere flicker in a dark tunnel. But the term RPG is pretty vague in itself anymore it doesn't nessicarly mean your taking the absolute role of an avatar instead you become the mediator of the choices that are presented to you. So really who's to say which is better when the world you play in is black and white.

There is a reason most 2/3.5ers HATE 4th ed.

[October Sixth]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

All you oldies can have baulder's gate, I did not enjoy it. The old fans just like repeating their old argument on why BG is on such a high pedastool "is the game 750 hours long like my obsolete childhood game, no, than I don't want any part of it. In fact I will continue criticising every game the company makes simply because it doesn't have baulder's in the title"

That has nothing to do with it. They would criticize BG3 if it came out now too.

[AlanC9]

Thanks, Lennonkun, but I'm afraid I'm not following your post in places..

Lennonkun wrote...
1. Advent Children Hotrods- Seriously, Hawke is like Cloud from Advent Children.This is supposed to be good?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. Is that a JRPG? I abandoned them for good years ago because of no choices and awful combat mechanics.

2. Retconned Hotrodded Hotrods- Don't give me the lame excuse of "Varrics is just telling what he knows!" That is a cop out and you know it. This is no excuse for Flemeth to suddenly have horn hair or Qunri to have horns.

This is confused. Bio hasn't said that the framed narrative has anything to do with the new art style; I don't know why you think it does. And who says DA2 Flemeth is even in the same body?

3. "Improved Hotrodded Hotrods on Hotrods"- Bioware claimed to hotrod and improve the graphics and yet have shown us NOTHING of the sort. We have not seen a single high quality picture and the demo itself is locked at medium. Also they are releasing a special "hi-res texture pack" for PC users to downlaod seperate. Why not just put it on the disk and save us the time?

So the problem is that they didn't upgrade the graphics enough? I can see that, maybe, but I'm not quite sure how this means theyr'e going in the wrong direction.

4. Conversations- Sadly little can be done about this and the convos in BG are hardly different in the long run, think of this more a flaw of RPGs in general.

Again, how is this going in the wrong direction?

5. Romances- I summed up my thoughts earlier. Companions are viewed purely as "I can have sex with it! Oh oh! SQUEE~~This button will make her have sex with me!" Most people playing BG or PS:T never even knew romance was in those games.

Yeah, some of the fans are kind of annoying, but I don't see how this is the game's fault