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[The Bard From Hell]

It's like comparing Dead Space 2 to Resident Evil 1... Must you always try to find "this is better than that!"? Can't you enjoy a game for what it has, and not stay down for what another game has and this one has not? I mean... Is it so hard?

[zazei]

BGII love can't be dismissed only because of nostalgia when some people still play it. Honestly in 10 years I never uninstalled that game from any of my harddrives it's still on them and I play it from time to time still. Not to mention it had a very active modding community that still hasn't fully died out making the game survive far longer then it might otherwise have.

Good thing about only text based things as well is that some talented writers could easily write mods that was just as good or even better then the original contents while new games suffer because it's harder to make good looking 3D areas+voice acting on top of that.

Also last of all BG2 was released on 6 CD's when it first game out. The game wasn't just large. It was huge for it's time. I can't think of anything released around then that came on 6 CD's or was that large. It's really one of a kind. Now some of the way it did things was outdated but the concept of the story and everything the player went through was some of the better works Bioware released.

These days it might be a harder contest but it was surely a lot better then anything up to Kotor and Jade Empire at least and yes. It's still the only game that never left my hardrive.That makes it unique among the games in my collection.

Modifié par zazei, 19 février 2011 - 10:21 .

[Harid]

drahelvete wrote...

Fadook wrote...

So sick of hearing about the wonderfulness that was Minsc and Boo. They weren't funny. They were obviously meant to be but they epic failed.

I know. I think Minsc and Boo were funny, but there were plenty of BG characters that were a lot funnier (Edwin/a being my personal favorite).

I found Jan Jansen to be much funnier than Boo and Minsc, personally, because I think they Flanderized the hell out of Minsc to the point of charicature between BG1 and 2.

[Merced652]

This thread makes me want to force an ADHD barely literate 10 year old to play the first two hours of BG2 and post it on youtube.

[October Sixth]

Harid wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Fadook wrote...

So sick of hearing about the wonderfulness that was Minsc and Boo. They weren't funny. They were obviously meant to be but they epic failed.

I know. I think Minsc and Boo were funny, but there were plenty of BG characters that were a lot funnier (Edwin/a being my personal favorite).

I found Jan Jansen to be much funnier than Boo and Minsc, personally, because I think they Flanderized the hell out of Minsc to the point of charicature between BG1 and 2.

Minsc wasn't necessarily the funniest, but he had the most voiced 1-liners so he's easily the most memorable and quotable.

[IndelibleJester]

@OP uhh... yeah. No.

[Harid]

October Sixth wrote...

Harid wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Fadook wrote...

So sick of hearing about the wonderfulness that was Minsc and Boo. They weren't funny. They were obviously meant to be but they epic failed.

I know. I think Minsc and Boo were funny, but there were plenty of BG characters that were a lot funnier (Edwin/a being my personal favorite).

I found Jan Jansen to be much funnier than Boo and Minsc, personally, because I think they Flanderized the hell out of Minsc to the point of charicature between BG1 and 2.

Minsc wasn't necessarily the funniest, but he had the most voiced 1-liners so he's easily the most memorable and quotable.

I remember more of Sarevok's lines than Minsc's by virtue of liking the character more.  /shrug

[drahelvete]

Harid wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

I know. I think Minsc and Boo were funny, but there were plenty of BG characters that were a lot funnier (Edwin/a being my personal favorite).

I found Jan Jansen to be much funnier than Boo and Minsc, personally, because I think they Flanderized the hell out of Minsc to the point of charicature between BG1 and 2.

Having Jan, Korgan and Mazzy all in the same party was always great fun.

[AlanC9]

Merced652 wrote...

This thread makes me want to force an ADHD barely literate 10 year old to play the first two hours of BG2 and post it on youtube.

That'd be great. Then everyone would go around posting links to a video which proves that BG2 sucks.

[DASockDA]

Frankly, I want more games like Arcanum. It's the only game I've ever played every aspect of: warrior, rogue, mage, gunslinger, archer, magic-knight, engineer, doctor, diplomat, good, evil, loner, army of companions, etc etc. The extensive hidden quest(s) that actually had a significant impact on the ending? Hell yeah.



BG2 was great, but in my book, Arcanum was much better.



As for the original topic... I really enjoyed my first play through DA:O. As much as if not more than BG2. The expansion was kinda ridiculous, but it was for BG2, too. Still, DA:O had limited replay value honestly. The story doesn't change, ever, no matter the choices you make. And "the blight" was a really awful plot to start the series off with. It wasn't personal.



BG2 had different stories to tell; you were able to side with Bohdi or the Shadow Thieves, and whichever path you took it changed the atmosphere. Later, you could side with the Drow or deceive them. There were multiple ways to approach every big quest, and that's something most games these days lack. DA:O boasted of multiple ways to complete quests, but that was all an illusion. You will -always- fight Jarvia, and trudge through the Deep Roads. You -never- get the option to side with the blood mages in the Circle Tower. You will -always- have a Landsmeet, and the Landsmeet will -always- end in a duel. In the end, I am saying that DA:O quests didn't branch out nearly far enough from the main quest, not when compared to BG2. The only part that came close was the Daelish/Werewolves, and even then... it didn't change anything, except for cost you a shop. There's no impact from any "choice" you're presented with, just a different fight to be had. The RPG value of these "choices" was, for me, minimal.



What happened to choice? What happened to being able to actually have a new experience with a game, a new story, a different path to the same goal? Something that actually feels significant, and has actual ramifications?



But hey, at least for DA2 when I press a button, something awesome will happen!



I just hope that this game will have some actual replay value. I have no interest in replaying the same game, just as another class. I mean really--there are companions, I'll be able to play every class in my first play through.

[Rompa87]

I have yet to find any truly "humorous" characters in any game. I hear funnier things from friends every day, than I've ever heard in-game. It's more "lowest common denominator" - humor than anything else.



Minsc and Boo, Jan Jansen, Alistair etc. Sure they rose above the rest in their remarks, but I cannot for the life of me understand why some people go "OMG, ROFL! HE IS SOOO FUNNY!"



No they are not!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The only thing I see is a technology update. The game is in 3D, there is a voiced protagonist. Does that make it better than the Baldur's Gate Infinity Engine games? To me, no.



I'm still reserving final judgement for the day I see DA 2 is on deep, deep discount somewhere and purchase it. Right now the story and gameplay looks really simple and boring to me and the art direction has gotten worse in my opinion with classes and character creation being more restrictive than dynamic.



Graphical updates and a voiced protagonist don't make the game for me so...until I try out the demo, I can't get excited about this thing. To me, Baldur's Gate has superior game design and story and far less hype at the cost of modern graphics. That's a cost I will happily accept.

[drahelvete]

Rompa87 wrote...

I have yet to find any truly "humorous" characters in any game. I hear funnier things from friends every day, than I've ever heard in-game. It's more "lowest common denominator" - humor than anything else.

Minsc and Boo, Jan Jansen, Alistair etc. Sure they rose above the rest in their remarks, but I cannot for the life of me understand why some people go "OMG, ROFL! HE IS SOOO FUNNY!"

No they are not!

Did you ever bring Edwin/a Odesseiron with you? He was basically Edmund Blackadder in red robes.

[OldMan91]

No they are not!

Since you've said so, and you are obviously making an objective judgement, I believe you.

[Merced652]

AlanC9 wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

This thread makes me want to force an ADHD barely literate 10 year old to play the first two hours of BG2 and post it on youtube.

That'd be great. Then everyone would go around posting links to a video which proves that BG2 sucks.

Oh indeed, i agree that if an ADHD AFS afflicted kid isn't willing to play it, then it just isn't worth making for a major game developer. Glad we see eye to eye on this.

Modifié par Merced652, 19 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[moilami]

AlanC9 wrote...

moilami wrote...
I wrote you had to play for hours and hours before you could know for sure, and that means your char not meta gaming information. Of course the first cinematic what your character never saw but you saw made it obvious who you need to kill, but still, why? Just for the revenge? Just because he is yet another baddie ™? Why? What's the deal?

BG2 I have never finished, and I am not bothered of it. It was obvious I need to kill the most awesome mage in the realm and that my char is not happy to do. So he has found something more interesting things to do. Like travelling with the sun elf. Or with the noble chick! She was hot. I imagine posh having ladylike manners in bed.

I didn't realize you were only takling about BG1. That's pretty much an outlier as far as Bio titles go. Plot-wise it's got much more in common with, say, Morrowind, than with anything else Bio's ever done.

And I'm not sure it's quite true to say that you know what you're supposed to do in DAO very early, unless you're talking about reading the back cover of the box. It's not until after Ostagar that your role becomes clear.

I think it was revealed in Flemeth's Hut, that is after the tower. Is that not very beginning? You don't even have full team of perma members at that point. 5% of the game played and you know basics of what you need to do? Gather an army and kill the archdemon.

[Rompa87]

drahelvete wrote...

Rompa87 wrote...

I have yet to find any truly "humorous" characters in any game. I hear funnier things from friends every day, than I've ever heard in-game. It's more "lowest common denominator" - humor than anything else.

Minsc and Boo, Jan Jansen, Alistair etc. Sure they rose above the rest in their remarks, but I cannot for the life of me understand why some people go "OMG, ROFL! HE IS SOOO FUNNY!"

No they are not!

Did you ever bring Edwin/a Odesseiron with you? He was basically Edmund Blackadder in red robes.

You can't be serious?

[Wompoo]

Images wrote...

I submit into evidence against the OP's argument...

lol enjoyed that, ah fond memories

[Lennonkun]

AlanC9 wrote...

Thanks, Lennonkun, but I'm afraid I'm not following your post in places..

Lennonkun wrote...
1. Advent Children Hotrods- Seriously, Hawke is like Cloud from Advent Children.This is supposed to be good?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. Is that a JRPG? I abandoned them for good years ago because of no choices and awful combat mechanics.

2. Retconned Hotrodded Hotrods- Don't give me the lame excuse of "Varrics is just telling what he knows!" That is a cop out and you know it. This is no excuse for Flemeth to suddenly have horn hair or Qunri to have horns.

This is confused. Bio hasn't said that the framed narrative has anything to do with the new art style; I don't know why you think it does. And who says DA2 Flemeth is even in the same body?

3. "Improved Hotrodded Hotrods on Hotrods"- Bioware claimed to hotrod and improve the graphics and yet have shown us NOTHING of the sort. We have not seen a single high quality picture and the demo itself is locked at medium. Also they are releasing a special "hi-res texture pack" for PC users to downlaod seperate. Why not just put it on the disk and save us the time?

So the problem is that they didn't upgrade the graphics enough? I can see that, maybe, but I'm not quite sure how this means theyr'e going in the wrong direction.

4. Conversations- Sadly little can be done about this and the convos in BG are hardly different in the long run, think of this more a flaw of RPGs in general.

Again, how is this going in the wrong direction?

5. Romances- I summed up my thoughts earlier. Companions are viewed purely as "I can have sex with it! Oh oh! SQUEE~~This button will make her have sex with me!" Most people playing BG or PS:T never even knew romance was in those games.

Yeah, some of the fans are kind of annoying, but I don't see how this is the game's fault

I guess my humorous use of hotrod confused you. Also I mentioned that I would not be listing specifically the "wrong direction" but what is "grinding my gears" as the saying goes.

1. is DA2. All hotrodded up and fast and furious for the sole purpose of... being a hotrod? 2h swords don't work like that.

2. My complaint is they retconned things for the sole purpose of hotrodding them. The Varric comment is what the majority of posters tell themselves to explain this. It wouldn't surprise me if "Varric said..." becomes a trope for retconning now.

3. My complaint is they said one thing and clearly did another. DA2 looks worse than DA:O. Is this because they have yet to show us anyiihng higher than the blurry pixelly medium quality for the console fans? I REALLY hope so.

4. The wrong direction is that ME2 style conversations is a step towards casual simplicity. ME and DA are two seperate franchises. Keep them that way.

5. The games fault is that these romances are hyped up. Bioware may as well start working on their new calling, dating sims, because the depth to modern day Bioware romances are just as simplistic. BG had well written dialogue and developed characters.The romances didn't occur simply because you gave them an item, it was a long process that most people never even knew existed. It has become horribly simplified.

[Rompa87]

OldMan91 wrote...

No they are not!

Since you've said so, and you are obviously making an objective judgement, I believe you.

I trust my own judgement without hesitation, and see no reason why you shouldn't.

Modifié par Rompa87, 19 février 2011 - 10:51 .

[drahelvete]

Rompa87 wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Did you ever bring Edwin/a Odesseiron with you? He was basically Edmund Blackadder in red robes.

You can't be serious?

At least that's the way I remember him. Granted, I haven't played BG2 in at least 5 years, but I did finish it about a dozen times and Edwin was always in my party. Humor is a subjective thing.

[moilami]

Rompa87 wrote...

I have yet to find any truly "humorous" characters in any game. I hear funnier things from friends every day, than I've ever heard in-game. It's more "lowest common denominator" - humor than anything else.

Minsc and Boo, Jan Jansen, Alistair etc. Sure they rose above the rest in their remarks, but I cannot for the life of me understand why some people go "OMG, ROFL! HE IS SOOO FUNNY!"

No they are not!

Yeah, I laugh much much more even in these forums than I ever laughed in DA. I think I was   about all the time in DA regarding jokes companions made. But since I was able to make my own jokes I was at times xD


Edit: Well Morri's and Leliana's dog talk made me

Modifié par moilami, 19 février 2011 - 10:56 .

[Rompa87]

drahelvete wrote...

Rompa87 wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Did you ever bring Edwin/a Odesseiron with you? He was basically Edmund Blackadder in red robes.

You can't be serious?

At least that's the way I remember him. Granted, I haven't played BG2 in at least 5 years, but I did finish it about a dozen times and Edwin was always in my party. Humor is a subjective thing.

Humor is indeed subjective, but to equate Edwin with Blackadder? I'm not sure subjectivity stretches that far

[Lennonkun]

For those who missed the hilarity of Edwin/a...

[ironman001]

Kill the Troll. BG is the best game ever made to the date.