Much more deep and with an awesome story and characters, this will be the game to take the throne from BGII. just look at how amazingly relevant and deep the skill tree looks, compared to the redundant and overfilled mess that was BGII abilities.
Much more awesome story?...and characters? I'm sorry but Boo demands proof. If no poof is given, Minsc smash!
DA has poofs - Zevran is one of them and I'm guessing Fernis will be one as well. So you have your wish don't you?
Did you ever bring Edwin/a Odesseiron with you? He was basically Edmund Blackadder in red robes.
You can't be serious?
At least that's the way I remember him. Granted, I haven't played BG2 in at least 5 years, but I did finish it about a dozen times and Edwin was always in my party. Humor is a subjective thing.
Humor is indeed subjective, but to equate Edwin with Blackadder? I'm not sure subjectivity stretches that far
It is. I have always wondered how people can watch comedy movies and laugh to some clowns. The real comedy is in so called serious movies!
Lennonkun wrote... 2. My complaint is they retconned things for the sole purpose of hotrodding them. The Varric comment is what the majority of posters tell themselves to explain this. It wouldn't surprise me if "Varric said..." becomes a trope for retconning now.
Hey, just because the majority of posters are fools doesn't mean you have to be one too.
And I don't think hotrodding is the right word there. The Qunari look in DAO failed outright; many people thought they were just tall humans rather than a different race. The darkspawn didn't actually fail to get the right idea across, but were kinda meh.
4. The wrong direction is that ME2 style conversations is a step towards casual simplicity. ME and DA are two seperate franchises. Keep them that way.
I don't see how ME and DAO conversations differ in complexity. People can play either in a brain-dead fashion. Come to think of it, didn't you just say that "the convos in BG are hardly different in the long run"?
5. The games fault is that these romances are hyped up.
hyped up in the games? How so?
BG had well written dialogue and developed characters.The romances didn't occur simply because you gave them an item, it was a long process that most people never even knew existed. It has become horribly simplified.
BG2 romances were as simple as DAO's, if not more so. It's a single track of dialogue. You get the next Lovetalk when the counter ticks down or when a certain triggering condition is met.
Liking the BG2 characters better is not a criterion for them being better written or developed.
Skyrim will be better than them all, hopefully it dances on the corpse of DA2 on its way to world domination.
I don't know. I love having a party to go with me. Oblivion and Morrowind just bore me. I own both of them, all the mods and I just can't get into them. I'm forcing myself to play them just because I own them. If Skyrim doesn't have party members then I know I won't be able to get into it. I love the banter. Oblivion and Morrowind are lonely games as is Fallout 3. I'm hoping that picks up.
Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 19 février 2011 - 11:42 .
AlanC9 wrote... Hey, just because the majority of posters are fools doesn't mean you have to be one too.
And I don't think hotrodding is the right word there. The Qunari look in DAO failed outright; many people thought they were just tall humans rather than a different race. The darkspawn didn't actually fail to get the right idea across, but were kinda meh.
I don't see how ME and DAO conversations differ in complexity. People can play either in a brain-dead fashion. Come to think of it, didn't you just say that "the convos in BG are hardly different in the long run"?
hyped up in the games? How so?
BG2 romances were as simple as DAO's, if not more so. It's a single track of dialogue. You get the next Lovetalk when the counter ticks down or when a certain triggering condition is met.
Liking the BG2 characters better is not a criterion for them being better written or developed.
They couldn't tell they were a seperate race? That is... sad. Also the darkspawn redesign is just awful. The term "derpspawn" has never been more appropriate. I saw another person mention the darkspawn as putties from Power Rangers. THAT is what the terrible hordes of darkspawn have been reduced to? 1 shot putties?
In the long run many things are revealed. In the long run everyone dies also. It is more a statment on the fault of the linear nature of conversations and predetermined dialogue. ME2 is a step away from BG because as said, it is simplified. There isn't 3-7 conversation options, there is 3.
Hyped up as in there is a forum post detailing the announced romances and that said romances have popped up in really every interview and preview. Like it or not, they are hyped up and it isn't even the fans doing it.
BG romances are more... natural. Awful word I suppose, but they are.
Find me a Bioware character comparable to Viconia.
They couldn't tell they were a seperate race? That is... sad. Also the darkspawn redesign is just awful. The term "derpspawn" has never been more appropriate. I saw another person mention the darkspawn as putties from Power Rangers. THAT is what the terrible hordes of darkspawn have been reduced to? 1 shot putties?
In the long run many things are revealed. In the long run everyone dies also. It is more a statment on the fault of the linear nature of conversations and predetermined dialogue. ME2 is a step away from BG because as said, it is simplified. There isn't 3-7 conversation options, there is 3.
Hyped up as in there is a forum post detailing the announced romances and that said romances have popped up in really every interview and preview. Like it or not, they are hyped up and it isn't even the fans doing it.
BG romances are more... natural. Awful word I suppose, but they are.
Find me a Bioware character comparable to Viconia.
QQ moar? I loved BGII romances, but that was only because they were the first romances I had ever played in a game and I thought it was a novel concept. Origins romances are the best that BioWare's done so far. Mass Effect aside, they've gone straight uphill from SoA. I have to get mods for a proper romance. That's mostly because the default game doesn't have any f/f options, but *shrug* Viconia = WAY overrated.
Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 20 février 2011 - 12:02 .
If all you can do is reply with that then I have no reason to continue reading your post.
Well, what am I supposed to say when you begin your post with an entire paragraph of completely subjective criticisms that include the term "derp"? Yup, and I'm the one of gives you no reason to read me post
Well, what am I supposed to say when you begin your post with an entire paragraph of completely subjective criticisms that include the term "derp"? Yup, and I'm the one of gives you no reason to read me post
How could you possibly not see the reality of the puttie comment? Darkspawn are nnothing more than 1 hit kill putties now. Why again was Ferelden so scared of them? Also the "derpspawn" comment was used with quotations for a reason.
Really despite hotrodding everything the darkspawn seemed to get the ugly end of the stick.
They couldn't tell they were a seperate race? That is... sad. Also the darkspawn redesign is just awful. The term "derpspawn" has never been more appropriate. I saw another person mention the darkspawn as putties from Power Rangers. THAT is what the terrible hordes of darkspawn have been reduced to? 1 shot putties?
In the long run many things are revealed. In the long run everyone dies also. It is more a statment on the fault of the linear nature of conversations and predetermined dialogue. ME2 is a step away from BG because as said, it is simplified. There isn't 3-7 conversation options, there is 3.
Hyped up as in there is a forum post detailing the announced romances and that said romances have popped up in really every interview and preview. Like it or not, they are hyped up and it isn't even the fans doing it.
BG romances are more... natural. Awful word I suppose, but they are.
Find me a Bioware character comparable to Viconia.
maybe you had more dialoug options in Baldurs Gate or DA:O, but in most cases there were still only 3 different answeres, because the tone of the different choices were almost the same. Now in DA II and ME you have the "investigate" option on the one side, and the 3 differen dialouge continuation options on the other
darkspawn as cannon fodder? yes, but would you rather like an realistic approach to it and say 4 darkspawn could wipe you out ? Every fantasy scenario I know (LotR, Warcraft, Warhammer, Baldurs Gate) has, atleast at some point, enemies that are just that, cannon fodder.
ingame relationships happen to be Biowares "thing" these days, if you like it or not. they do sell games with it.
if by natural you mean complex. melodramatic, sad, twisted and what not, yeah, they are more natural. but, well I dont know about you, but my current girlfriend and I, we have a pretty simple and happy relationship, which I guess is unnatural! no live threatening drama and one of us beeing an "evil" person and so on. Come to think about it, Morrigan is somehow a Viconia "light"
Sure I would love for Dragon Age 2 to be better then Baldurs Gate 2. I ****ing love Baldurs Gate 2, so if Dragon Age 2 was better then it would be one of my favorite games of all time. Do I think it will be better? Can't say until I've played it.
The idea that some people have about how nothing is allowed to be better then Baldurs Gate 2 is ridiculous. Game developers should always strive to make better games.
darkspawn as cannon fodder? yes, but would you rather like an realistic approach to it and say 4 darkspawn could wipe you out ? Every fantasy scenario I know (LotR, Warcraft, Warhammer, Baldurs Gate) has, atleast at some point, enemies that are just that, cannon fodder.
if by natural you mean complex. melodramatic, sad, twisted and what not, yeah, they are more natural. but, well I dont know about you, but my current girlfriend and I, we have a pretty simple and happy relationship, which I guess is unnatural! no live threatening drama and one of us beeing an "evil" person and so on. Come to think about it, Morrigan is somehow a Viconia "light"
The cannon fodder goes back to the hotrodding. They hotrodded the action making it all JRPG and fast, speaking of which apparently at that EA event Laidlaw expressed his liking of Resonance of Fate... I'm seeing it, but I'd rather not see it in DA. Also for the record I quite liked Resonance of Fate, even if it did turn into a horrible grind.
The problem is they DIDN'T to the darkspawn. They still attack just as slow and they still shuffle. Genlocks were the cannon fodder of DAO, they have been retconned into nonexstance. That leaves us with the strong hurlocks as... weak cannon fodder whos sole purpose is to be cleaved by Hawke. My point is that ya, Darkspawn are cannon fodder, but they are even weaker than before since they never got the hotrod engine, just the really botched paintjob.
Fair enough with the romance comment, but I find it rather invalid given the setting. One of the best "romance" scenes I can think of in recent memory was the scene in The Darkness where you sit down and watch a movie with your girlfriend. We all know how realistic that is, but that is hardly valid to the world of Dragon Age, let alone the Forgotten Realms.
Dragon Age Origins was already leagues above Baldur's Gate II (yes I played it at the time it came out, including Throne of Bhaal) so I have no doubt DAII will continue in the same vein of awesomeness.
Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 20 février 2011 - 12:36 .
BG romances are more... natural. Awful word I suppose, but they are.
You mean they were longer, and thus projected the feeling of actually being a long term relationship. But that's all they were, Because there's nothing "natural" in not being able to initiate dialogue with your LI; not being able pick and choose when the romance chats occur; not being able to speed things up or slow things down. BG2's romances were almost completely out of the player's control in that aspect.
Lennonkun wrote...
Find me a Bioware character comparable to Viconia.
Morrigan? The very theme of the Morrigan romance was virtually identical to Viconia's.
1) they're both "evil"? Check. 2) they'll both sleep with you before they develop love-feelings? Check. 3) they find the concept of "love" completely alien, and a sign of weakness and it's the hero's job to "teach" them otherwise? Check. 4) They were both raised to believe that Power has meaning, emotions do not? Check. 5) They both break up with the Hero (because things just can't be) just prior to the end of the game, only to start it back up again in a later installment of the series? Check (Throne of Bhaal for Vicky, Witch Hunt for Morrigan) 6)They're both intrigued by the physiques of an unusually large companion (Morrigan's banter with Sten, and Viconia's banter with Sarevok) Check
Hey, guys? Just a heads-up-- Baldur's Gate isn't nearly as awesome as any of us remember it to be.
Sorry, but it's true. Don't get me wrong, BG2 is still probably my favorite BioWare game, and definitely one of my favorite games of all time, but that's got to be at least 63% nostalgia and 34% lower, circa-2000 standards (as compared with my current gamer standards, which are much less forgiving of poor balance and other design flaws).
Hey, guys? Just a heads-up-- Baldur's Gate isn't nearly as awesome as any of us remember it to be.
Sorry, but it's true. Don't get me wrong, BG2 is still probably my favorite BioWare game, and definitely one of my favorite games of all time, but that's got to be at least 63% nostalgia and 34% lower, circa-2000 standards (as compared with my current gamer standards, which are much less forgiving of poor balance and other design flaws).
Subjective (ostensibly). I'm playing BGII right now (not this moment, but you know what I mean), and it's every bit as wonderful as I remember. Gameplay was NEVER Baldur's Gates draw, because, let's face it, 2e AD&D is rubbish. RUBBISH.
[EDIT] RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 20 février 2011 - 12:47 .
Hey, guys? Just a heads-up-- Baldur's Gate isn't nearly as awesome as any of us remember it to be.
Sorry, but it's true. Don't get me wrong, BG2 is still probably my favorite BioWare game, and definitely one of my favorite games of all time, but that's got to be at least 63% nostalgia and 34% lower, circa-2000 standards (as compared with my current gamer standards, which are much less forgiving of poor balance and other design flaws).
I don't know about that. 10+ years later, I still awe at the complexity of BG2's combat system. The mage battles, and the vast variety of weapon types, Spells, enemy types, etc.
But Yes.... there's definitely some nostalgic element to it, But I suspect some of that same nostalgia will manifest itself upon DA:O in a couple of years, when we've played DA2 to death, and the time comes to "think back to the good old days of 2009". lol
Hey, guys? Just a heads-up-- Baldur's Gate isn't nearly as awesome as any of us remember it to be.
Sorry, but it's true. Don't get me wrong, BG2 is still probably my favorite BioWare game, and definitely one of my favorite games of all time, but that's got to be at least 63% nostalgia and 34% lower, circa-2000 standards (as compared with my current gamer standards, which are much less forgiving of poor balance and other design flaws).
I just played BG 1 and 2 half a year ago, and once you get your eyes to not bleed from the graphics, it´s still as awesome as awesome can be. The "depth" of this game will never be matched imo.
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