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[crimzontearz]

Nohvarr wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


in ME and ME2 you conclude the story...you stop saren, you stop the collectors while the overarching danger of the reapers is looming on. That is not a cliffhanger

DA: O you stop the Blight, DA: 2 you learn how Hawk rose to Power. What's the difference?

the difference is that they just said the game has a cliffhanger ending so I doubt the story ends there with a proper conclusion

[The Elder King]

[quote]crimzontearz wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

we now know it's a cliffhanger

I dislike 90% of the cliffhangers I've ever seen with VERY few exceptions
[/quote]

Yeah, I posted before that part.
Anyway, it could be one of your exceptions. Though of course the probabilities aren't high.
Just curious, do you like ME and ME2 ending?[/quote]

Overarching metaplot =/= lack of self conclusion

in ME and ME2 you conclude the story...you stop saren, you stop the collectors while the overarching danger of the reapers is looming on. That is not a cliffhanger
[/quote]

Yes they concluded the main story of the game (Saren, Collectors), but on DA2, I think the main story is the rise to power of Hawke. I have the impression that the thing that isn't concluded is the thing related to Cassandra. The story of Hawke could be concluded at the end of DA2.

[Frumyfrenzy]

I hope we can have our Hawke and our Warden in our party in Dragon Age 3 to work on whatever is the reason for this alleged cliffhanger in DA 2!

[crimzontearz]

slimgrin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

-rubs temples- Unsatisfying ending and no NG+ or Character import

god this game better have some replay bonuses or I'm screwed

Take a deep breath. 88 isn't a bad score. 

not the point man......I have a sinking feeling I'll be able to play DA2 like 3 times tops...which is a shame

[Tamyn]

Mash Mashington wrote...

- unsatisfying ending

ouch

I'm not looking forward to a cliffhanger.

Modifié par Tamyn, 19 février 2011 - 09:53 .

[falconlord5]

crimzontearz wrote...



think about it.......Varric says Cassandra NEEDS Hawkr to fix things, she does not get Hawke by the end of the game so....doesn't that not lead you to believe she will have to find Hawke in the next game?

Yes, it does. That's why I said that I say this coming months ago. However, the story of Hawke's rise to power, which is what DA2 is all about, is self-contained. That's what we see and do in the game.

We don't get to see the rest of Hawke's story, 'cause that's the next game.

[crimzontearz]

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

[quote]crimzontearz wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

we now know it's a cliffhanger

I dislike 90% of the cliffhangers I've ever seen with VERY few exceptions
[/quote]

Yeah, I posted before that part.
Anyway, it could be one of your exceptions. Though of course the probabilities aren't high.
Just curious, do you like ME and ME2 ending?[/quote]

Overarching metaplot =/= lack of self conclusion

in ME and ME2 you conclude the story...you stop saren, you stop the collectors while the overarching danger of the reapers is looming on. That is not a cliffhanger
[/quote]

Yes they concluded the main story of the game (Saren, Collectors), but on DA2, I think the main story is the rise to power of Hawke. I have the impression that the thing that isn't concluded is the thing related to Cassandra. The story of Hawke could be concluded at the end of DA2.[/quote]

look, Cassandra needs Hawke. Cassandra obviously does not find hawke by the end of DA2....so......if she is not done finding hawke and she plays a major role in DA3 it stands to reason Hawke's story might very well not be over

[slimgrin]

So do the articles actually say it has a cliffhanger ending?

[PrinceOfFallout13]

didnt a dev said we would play at the present?

[Dave of Canada]

slimgrin wrote...

So do the articles actually say it has a cliffhanger ending?

Yes.

[falconlord5]

slimgrin wrote...

So do the articles actually say it has a cliffhanger ending?

No, it actually doesn't. Though it's hard to tell, 'cause it is a translation.

What it says is there's a lack of resolution. Which anybody who watches the first cutscene should've seen coming (setting it all up for DA3).

[crimzontearz]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

didnt a dev said we would play at the present?

no

[AtreiyaN7]

crimzontearz wrote...


found it...but no it never made it to italy for instance

Yeah, you had to kind of be here in the US in the 80s to understand why it was such a big deal (it was highly popular as I recall).

On the plus side, at least it wasn't annoying like the ending of The Sopranos. Apparently when they just faded/cut to a black screen at the end of The Sopranos, a lot of people thought that there was a problem with their cable provider at first - heh. Not a lot of viewers happy with that one after they leanred that that really was the ending: lame Journey song, plus fade to black.

Err, I imagine we should get back to discussing the reviews, although I suppose there's not much to add atm. *shrug*

[SammyJB17]

I would be sorely disappointed if DA III starred Hawke. That would just mean Bioware said anything to justify changing PCs. I have enough faith in Bioware to *hope* they won't do that.



Dev quote from GI article: "This isn't the story of one character, this is the story of Thedas"

[crimzontearz]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


found it...but no it never made it to italy for instance

Yeah, you had to kind of be here in the US in the 80s to understand why it was such a big deal (it was highly popular as I recall).

On the plus side, at least it wasn't annoying like the ending of The Sopranos. Apparently when they just faded/cut to a black screen at the end of The Sopranos, a lot of people thought that there was a problem with their cable provider at first - heh. Not a lot of viewers happy with that one after they leanred that that really was the ending: lame Journey song, plus fade to black.

Err, I imagine we should get back to discussing the reviews, although I suppose there's not much to add atm. *shrug*

wanna know about annoying endings?

Forever Knight and Angel

that is all

[The Elder King]

[quote]crimzontearz wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

[quote]crimzontearz wrote...

[quote]hhh89 wrote...

we now know it's a cliffhanger

I dislike 90% of the cliffhangers I've ever seen with VERY few exceptions
[/quote]

Yeah, I posted before that part.
Anyway, it could be one of your exceptions. Though of course the probabilities aren't high.
Just curious, do you like ME and ME2 ending?[/quote]

Overarching metaplot =/= lack of self conclusion

in ME and ME2 you conclude the story...you stop saren, you stop the collectors while the overarching danger of the reapers is looming on. That is not a cliffhanger
[/quote]

Yes they concluded the main story of the game (Saren, Collectors), but on DA2, I think the main story is the rise to power of Hawke. I have the impression that the thing that isn't concluded is the thing related to Cassandra. The story of Hawke could be concluded at the end of DA2.[/quote]

look, Cassandra needs Hawke. Cassandra obviously does not find hawke by the end of DA2....so......if she is not done finding hawke and she plays a major role in DA3 it stands to reason Hawke's story might very well not be over
[/quote]

But Hawke's rise to power is concluded. Since this is what DA2 is about, I find the story completed.
Mind you that I'm not sure that Hawke will be the PC in DA3. Even if this is the case, I don't see the big difference from ME.
ME main plot: stop Saren, but the story isn't conclude, Shepard has to fight the Reapers
ME2: main plot stop Collectors, done, you have to stop the Reapers yet.
D2:main plot, Hawke's rise to power, done, Cassandra has to find Hawke.

But if you think that the main plot of the story is tha Cassandra has to find Hawke, then yes, the story isn't conclude.

[slimgrin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So do the articles actually say it has a cliffhanger ending?

Yes.

[falconlord5]

crimzontearz wrote...


wanna know about annoying endings?

Forever Knight and Angel

that is all

I never watched Forever Knight, but I loved Angel's ending (ignoring the comics, of course).

Total Godfather-esque blood shed, and a final throwdown with the forces of evil. Doesn't get much better than that, ladies and gentlemen.

[Master Shiori]

crimzontearz wrote...

think about it.......Varric says Cassandra NEEDS Hawkr to fix things, she does not get Hawke by the end of the game so....doesn't that not lead you to believe she will have to find Hawke in the next game?

I think that's one possibility.

However, right now we have no idea what happens to Hawke by the end of DA2 or if he/she will even be in position to influence the future events in Dragon Age to any extent.

[crimzontearz]

my ultimate problem lies in that depending on the ending and replay bonuses I might really not be able to enjoy this game more than twice



like The Darkness......I was ok with replaying the game many times but a certain section of the game turned me off SO much I just could not bring myself to

[Nerevar-as]

falconlord5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...



think about it.......Varric says Cassandra NEEDS Hawkr to fix things, she does not get Hawke by the end of the game so....doesn't that not lead you to believe she will have to find Hawke in the next game?

Yes, it does. That's why I said that I say this coming months ago. However, the story of Hawke's rise to power, which is what DA2 is all about, is self-contained. That's what we see and do in the game.

We don't get to see the rest of Hawke's story, 'cause that's the next game.

So much for switching characters between games then. If Hawke repeats the rest of this DA arc no way I´ll believe we didn´t lose the GW because of VA. I guess this might explain the level 50 cap when in game you reach about half of that.

[Dan_cw]

It's one aspect of the plot (if you want, you could look at it as simply forshadowing, i.e. a glimpse into the possible future that awaits you at the conclusion of Hawke's story). I wouldn't say it's the main plot.

You've got to remember that each game's story is more about the world as well, rather than any one continuing plot thread from previous games. This doesn't mean the ramifications of what happens in DA 2 won't be felt in the next game though.

Edit: Also yeah, they've said they want to keep the DLC's focus on Hawke. So, I'm guessing it's possible they could extend the story rather than add bits in the middle of the etc.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 19 février 2011 - 10:02 .

[AtreiyaN7]

crimzontearz wrote...

wanna know about annoying endings?

Forever Knight and Angel

that is all

OMG, yes, I watched Forever Knight - I agree.

[crimzontearz]

falconlord5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


wanna know about annoying endings?

Forever Knight and Angel

that is all

I never watched Forever Knight, but I loved Angel's ending (ignoring the comics, of course).

Total Godfather-esque blood shed, and a final throwdown with the forces of evil. Doesn't get much better than that, ladies and gentlemen.

lol......a throwdown that is going to end in the death of everyone (without the comics of course) and the beginning of the reiogn of hell on earth.......nice

[Red_warning]

"...but old-school RPG players might have their problems with the flurry of activities in battles"



Pausing helps



"limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"



troubling



"poor level design with one-to-one copy-pasting of whole quest areas (do they mean, some areas are a carbon copy of each other???)"



This sounds pretty horrible.



"unsatisfying ending"



I hope they are exaggerating.