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[Ragadurn]

Firky wrote...

Ugh. Scores. Especially scores /100. Did these mags print their criteria?

IMO, what is said is way more important.

GameStar has some kind of chart that gives x out of 10 scores for each category (graphics, atmosphere, gameplay, sound etc.) and how it's weighted to the total. Each category has individual comments of pro and con arguments.

As this issue will only be sent out to subscribers next week (they delayed it for some review that was finished late), just as it will be in stores only next week, I can't say how this chart looks for DA2. Couldn't find the review on their homepage yet, either.

Modifié par Ragadurn, 19 février 2011 - 11:12 .

[scpulley]

Here is my take on Bioware sequels. Generally speaking, based on how they did Mass Effect, they slim the game down, streamline it so the story goes down smoother. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved DAO and ME 1, but I went into ME 2 the same way I'm going to go into DA 2, expecting the game to just simply not be as good. Why? Mostly because it's very hard to do so well with a sequel that you forget how good the first game was when you were introduced to the world. Personally, I loved the ME 1 story far better than the second, but, I still enjoyed ME 2, and the gameplay in ME 2 was much smoother. In the same way, I seriously doubt the story in DA 2 will be better than DAO, simply because I've already been introduced to the world and setting basically, I'm just now in a different area with different issues to contend with. It's not going to be as immersive due to familiarity this time around with the world. The game play will be better I think, but the story is going to be more honed and because it's more character driven and less 'fantasy epic', it's not going to feel the same. Reviews that simply give it a con based on not being as good as the first usually, in my book, not judging the game as a game but whether it's the same as the first game. It very well may be, if the game wasn't a sequel but a stand alone game it's better, but no reviewer typically will look at it that objectively.

Modifié par scpulley, 19 février 2011 - 10:17 .

[nelly21]

How do you knock off 13 entire points for a few repeated areas (which a lot of rpgs have) and an unsatisfying ending (which is entirely opinion based)?



Doesn't affect me. Until BioWare gives me a reason not to, I'll continue to purchase their games.

[Nerevar-as]

scpulley wrote...

Here is my take on Bioware sequels. Generally speaking, based on how they did Mass Effect, they slim the game down, streamline it so the story goes down smoother. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved DAO and ME 1, but I went into ME 2 the same way I'm going to go into DA 2, expecting the game to just simply not be as good. Why? Mostly because it's very hard to do so well with a sequel that you forget how good the first game was when you were introduced to the world. Personally, I loved the ME 1 story far better than the second, but, I still enjoyed ME 2, and the gameplay in ME 2 was much smoother. In the same way, I seriously doubt the story in DA 2 will be better than DAO, simply because I've already been introduced to the world and setting basically, I'm just now in a different area with different issues to contend with. It's not going to be as immersive due to familiarity this time around with the world. The game play will be better I think, but the story is going to be more honed and because it's more character driven and less 'fantasy epic', it's not going to feel the same. Reviews that simply give it a con based on not being as good as the first usually, in my book, not judging the game as a game but whether it's the same as the first game. It very well may be, if the game wasn't a sequel but a stand alone game it's better, but no reviewer typically will look at it that objectively.

ME2 failed in that regard because it didn´t expand neither gameplay (combat was smoother, yes, but there was too much at times) nor story/universe. Plots from ME1 were barely touched, and no new significant ones were included. 

[2papercuts]

Nerevar-as wrote...

scpulley wrote...

Here is my take on Bioware sequels. Generally speaking, based on how they did Mass Effect, they slim the game down, streamline it so the story goes down smoother. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved DAO and ME 1, but I went into ME 2 the same way I'm going to go into DA 2, expecting the game to just simply not be as good. Why? Mostly because it's very hard to do so well with a sequel that you forget how good the first game was when you were introduced to the world. Personally, I loved the ME 1 story far better than the second, but, I still enjoyed ME 2, and the gameplay in ME 2 was much smoother. In the same way, I seriously doubt the story in DA 2 will be better than DAO, simply because I've already been introduced to the world and setting basically, I'm just now in a different area with different issues to contend with. It's not going to be as immersive due to familiarity this time around with the world. The game play will be better I think, but the story is going to be more honed and because it's more character driven and less 'fantasy epic', it's not going to feel the same. Reviews that simply give it a con based on not being as good as the first usually, in my book, not judging the game as a game but whether it's the same as the first game. It very well may be, if the game wasn't a sequel but a stand alone game it's better, but no reviewer typically will look at it that objectively.

ME2 failed in that regard because it didn´t expand neither gameplay (combat was smoother, yes, but there was too much at times) nor story/universe. Plots from ME1 were barely touched, and no new significant ones were included. 

i look at sequels as i do with music

bands, as they continue to make music, seem to forget what made them good in the first place

[Ragadurn]

nelly21 wrote...

How do you knock off 13 entire points for a few repeated areas (which a lot of rpgs have) and an unsatisfying ending (which is entirely opinion based)?

Doesn't affect me. Until BioWare gives me a reason not to, I'll continue to purchase their games.

As it was said, German mags mostly rate games under 94%. A game with 90% is nearly perfect, while it may gain some extra points for innovation or excelling in its genre in other ways.

Anything above 85% is really good.

And 87% or 88% means a game you can almost buy blindly.

Modifié par Ragadurn, 19 février 2011 - 10:32 .

[Naqey]

2papercuts wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

scpulley wrote...

Here is my take on Bioware sequels. Generally speaking, based on how they did Mass Effect, they slim the game down, streamline it so the story goes down smoother. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved DAO and ME 1, but I went into ME 2 the same way I'm going to go into DA 2, expecting the game to just simply not be as good. Why? Mostly because it's very hard to do so well with a sequel that you forget how good the first game was when you were introduced to the world. Personally, I loved the ME 1 story far better than the second, but, I still enjoyed ME 2, and the gameplay in ME 2 was much smoother. In the same way, I seriously doubt the story in DA 2 will be better than DAO, simply because I've already been introduced to the world and setting basically, I'm just now in a different area with different issues to contend with. It's not going to be as immersive due to familiarity this time around with the world. The game play will be better I think, but the story is going to be more honed and because it's more character driven and less 'fantasy epic', it's not going to feel the same. Reviews that simply give it a con based on not being as good as the first usually, in my book, not judging the game as a game but whether it's the same as the first game. It very well may be, if the game wasn't a sequel but a stand alone game it's better, but no reviewer typically will look at it that objectively.

ME2 failed in that regard because it didn´t expand neither gameplay (combat was smoother, yes, but there was too much at times) nor story/universe. Plots from ME1 were barely touched, and no new significant ones were included. 

i look at sequels as i do with music

bands, as they continue to make music, seem to forget what made them good in the first place

but then again, there are people that like the newer albums more than the older ones. I guess it has something to do with individual taste, or something like that >_>

AND YEAH, BG II >>> BG I (it was like BG I on steroids) , so yeah, not all sequels are worse

[PrinceOfFallout13]

2papercuts wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

scpulley wrote...

Here is my take on Bioware sequels. Generally speaking, based on how they did Mass Effect, they slim the game down, streamline it so the story goes down smoother. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved DAO and ME 1, but I went into ME 2 the same way I'm going to go into DA 2, expecting the game to just simply not be as good. Why? Mostly because it's very hard to do so well with a sequel that you forget how good the first game was when you were introduced to the world. Personally, I loved the ME 1 story far better than the second, but, I still enjoyed ME 2, and the gameplay in ME 2 was much smoother. In the same way, I seriously doubt the story in DA 2 will be better than DAO, simply because I've already been introduced to the world and setting basically, I'm just now in a different area with different issues to contend with. It's not going to be as immersive due to familiarity this time around with the world. The game play will be better I think, but the story is going to be more honed and because it's more character driven and less 'fantasy epic', it's not going to feel the same. Reviews that simply give it a con based on not being as good as the first usually, in my book, not judging the game as a game but whether it's the same as the first game. It very well may be, if the game wasn't a sequel but a stand alone game it's better, but no reviewer typically will look at it that objectively.

ME2 failed in that regard because it didn´t expand neither gameplay (combat was smoother, yes, but there was too much at times) nor story/universe. Plots from ME1 were barely touched, and no new significant ones were included. 

i look at sequels as i do with music

bands, as they continue to make music, seem to forget what made them good in the first place

below average gameplay and crappy inventory management didnt make me1 "great"

[2papercuts]

Naqey wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

ME2 failed in that regard because it didn´t expand neither gameplay (combat was smoother, yes, but there was too much at times) nor story/universe. Plots from ME1 were barely touched, and no new significant ones were included. 

i look at sequels as i do with music

most bands, as they continue to make music, seem to forget what made them good in the first place

but then again, there are people that like the newer albums more than the older ones. I guess it has something to do with individual taste, or something like that >_>

AND YEAH, BG II >>> BG I (it was like BG I on steroids) , so yeah, not all sequels are worse

there fixed it


yeah some sequels are better than the original like HL2 but most aren't as good

[Firky]

Ragadurn wrote...

Firky wrote...

Ugh. Scores. Especially scores /100. Did these mags print their criteria?

IMO, what is said is way more important.

GameStar has some kind of chart that gives x out of 10 scores for each category (graphics, atmosphere, gameplay, sounnd etc.) and how it's weighted to the total. Each category has individual comments of pro and con arguments.

As this issue will only be sent out to subscribers next week (they delayed it for some review that was finished late), just as it will be in stores only next week, I can't say how this chart looks for DA2. Couldn't find the review on their homepage yet, either.

That's an interesting way of doing it, actually. Sounds comprehensive.

It might have been delayed for subscribers because of an embargo, for one review or another. Who knows? Interesting though.

[Shepard Lives]

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

[Estel78]

Shepard Lives wrote...

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

Why, reviews are great so far?

Btw, people that are already playing the demo seem very enthusiastic about the game, at least all five or so that gave their impressions so far.

Modifié par Estel78, 19 février 2011 - 10:55 .

[AlexXIV]

Shepard Lives wrote...

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

The End is nigh, all is lost?

[Shepard Lives]

Estel78 wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

Why, reviews are great so far?

I'm talking about the posts. I swear everytime I think I couldn't possibly have any less faith in humanity these boards manage to surprise me.

[AlexXIV]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

Why, reviews are great so far?

I'm talking about the posts. I swear everytime I think I couldn't possibly have any less faith in humanity these boards manage to surprise me.

Don't worry we have Shepard. Shepard is the only hope humanity ever had ... oh wait ...

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 février 2011 - 10:59 .

[Rixxencaxx]

well they failed to impress...da2 in the end is a nice game but not as good and memorable as dao.

Sales will go the same route....

[Stompi]

These scores aren't too bad for German reviews. Only a few games get 90%+ here.

Mass Effect 2 got 88 from both magazines. Origins did better, but the difference isn't huge.

[Naqey]

just to clarify a few things, gamestar (87%) rates 10 different categories, for rpgs these are (in brackets the representative values for DA:O (92%)



graphics (7/10)

sound (9/10)

balance (9/10)

atmosphere (9/10)

controls (9/10)

game length (replay value etc. also affect this point) (10/10)

quests / story (10/10)

character system (10/10)

combat system (10/10)

items (9/10)



I think (read: I guess) DA II lost points in the balance / controls / items section, so 87% is still VERY good, especially if you dont mind things like not beeing able to customize your parties armor and stuff

[Blacklash93]

AlexXIV wrote...

HyperLimited wrote...

Copy-pasting? AGAIN!? GRRR!!! 

I honestly don't care about copy paste as long as it there is a good story and fun to be had.

Tedium and repetition aren't fun.

[Ninotchka]

Ragadurn wrote...

As it was said, German mags mostly rate games under 94%. A game with 90% is nearly perfect, while it may gain some extra points for innovation or excelling in its genre in other ways.

Anything above 85% is really good.

And 87% or 88% means a game you can almost buy blindly.

Because anything above 94% is for God, right?

I have worked with a Dutch and German feedback/survey gathering company and this has been explicitly stated by the majority of survey respondents: 7/10 is great, 10 is for God or that a perfect 10 doesn't exist because perfection doesn't exist 

[Hatem]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

I am so glad I don't give a damn about reviews right now. I shudder to think how badly this entire thread would have affected me.

Why, reviews are great so far?

I'm talking about the posts. I swear everytime I think I couldn't possibly have any less faith in humanity these boards manage to surprise me.

Everyone who trashes the game will buy it anyway, so it's m'kay.

[Blacklash93]

Catsith wrote...

The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish

Wow.. lol.

Is that a direct quote? If so, wow...

Where's your "super-hot" graphics now, Bioware?

[Ploppy]

From the PC Games review:



"Es war seitens der Entwickler immer die Rede davon, dass man zehn Jahre im Leben des Champions Hawke erleben werde. Letztendlich sind es allerdings nur sieben Jahre geworden - und wir haben genau mitgezählt."



Translation: The game is over after 7 years, not 10 as was initially promoted. Bah!

[Nerevar-as]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Catsith wrote...

The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish

Wow.. lol.

Is that a direct quote? If so, wow...

Where's your "super-hot" graphics now, Bioware?

On consoles.

[Naqey]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Catsith wrote...

The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish

Wow.. lol.

Is that a direct quote? If so, wow...

Where's your "super-hot" graphics now, Bioware?

yeah its a quote, but not from the test itself, but from the personal opinion section, and in context you can see a bit of irony there