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[astreqwerty]

KNEW IT....no first day buy for me then

[AlexXIV]

Naqey wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Catsith wrote...

The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish

Wow.. lol.

Is that a direct quote? If so, wow...

Where's your "super-hot" graphics now, Bioware?

yeah its a quote, but not from the test itself, but from the personal opinion section, and in context you can see a bit of irony there

I understood it the way she meant that they are no better than in Origins. Which is no big surprise.

[Ploppy]

I wonder if we get the remaining years as free DLC or something...

[falconlord5]

Ploppy wrote...

I wonder if we get the remaining years as free DLC or something...

Or, you know, we could wait till the game actually comes out, and not rely on a translation of a review (which often make mistakes).

[Estel78]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Catsith wrote...

The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish

Wow.. lol.

Is that a direct quote? If so, wow...

Where's your "super-hot" graphics now, Bioware?

Read the whole sentence. To paraphrase, technically it's pretty meh, artistically it's pretty yay.

[The Elder King]

astreqwerty wrote...

KNEW IT....no first day buy for me then

So do you intend to buy it later?
Anyway, I prefer to judge the game myself. But the reviews don't seem bad to me, from the very little information we have about.

[NRO TYN]

Estel78 wrote...

I don't have the print magazines myself, got those infos from a german board. I'm trying my best with the translations.

PC Games gave it 88, pros and cons:

+ very well told hero story
+ varied followers, each with their own stories
+ great dialogs with moral decisions
+ exciting boss battles
+ martial-arts-fans should have great fun with possibly the fastest (or fast paced) battles in a fantasy game

- ...but old-school RPG players might have their problems with the flurry of activities in battles
- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees
- poor level design with one-to-one copy-pasting of whole quest areas (do they mean, some areas are a carbon copy of each other???)
- unsatisfying ending

Gamestar gave it 87, pros and cons:

+ thrilling storyline
+ great dialogs and quests
+ coherent / consistent game world

- some fiddly battles
- less epic as DAO

Their conclusion: great RPG, a little weaker than DAO

This worries me, I hope their wrong

[Ploppy]

falconlord5 wrote...

Or, you know, we could wait till the game actually comes out, and not rely on a translation of a review (which often make mistakes).

I'm German, and I know how to translate. The reviewer says that he counted accurately and diligently, but he only came up with seven years instead of the promised ten. He still gave 88% , so it's hardly a smear campaign.

Modifié par Ploppy, 19 février 2011 - 11:16 .

[Blacklash93]

"- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"

Am I the only one who saw this coming? The trees don't branch out much to begin with, plus you have all the strict pre-requirements to gain most skills. Add all that together and you only have what is mostly the illusion of choice.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 février 2011 - 11:18 .

[falconlord5]

Ploppy wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Or, you know, we could wait till the game actually comes out, and not rely on a translation of a review (which often make mistakes).

I'm German, and I know how to translate. The reviewer says that he counted accurately and diligently, but he only came up with seven years instead of the promised ten.

Sure he did. I'll believe it when I actually play the game, and not before.

[Bryy_Miller]

It's getting thrown around a lot in this thread, but do we have verification of the 12 Endings rumor?

[The Elder King]

Blacklash93 wrote...

"- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"

Am I the only one who saw this coming? The trees don't branch out much to begin with, plus you have all the strict pre-requirements to gain most skills. Add all that together and you only have what is mostly the illusion of choice.

From the information about the skill trees, it seems to me that I have a lot of choice, even with all the pre-requirements.

[Quercus]

Ploppy wrote...

From the PC Games review:

"Es war seitens der Entwickler immer die Rede davon, dass man zehn Jahre im Leben des Champions Hawke erleben werde. Letztendlich sind es allerdings nur sieben Jahre geworden - und wir haben genau mitgezählt."

Translation: The game is over after 7 years, not 10 as was initially promoted. Bah!

Expension + DLC might fill the other 3 years.

[Blacklash93]

hhh89 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

"- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"

Am I the only one who saw this coming? The trees don't branch out much to begin with, plus you have all the strict pre-requirements to gain most skills. Add all that together and you only have what is mostly the illusion of choice.

From the information about the skill trees, it seems to me that I have a lot of choice, even with all the pre-requirements.

Well that's probably not the case, if the review is to be believed.

[Dan_cw]

Blacklash93 wrote...

"- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"

Am I the only one who saw this coming? The trees don't branch out much to begin with, plus you have all the strict pre-requirements to gain most skills. Add all that together and you only have what is mostly the illusion of choice.

Blacklash, see my posts made earlier in the thread. Or rather, this thread and read the dev responses:

http://social.biowar...1/index/6090138

(That is if you haven't seen it. All skills are there with descriptions)

We have 6 talent trees for Hawke with 10 - 11 abilities here, alongside 2 specialisation trees with the same amount of abilities each.

We'll probably reach level 20 - 25? That's 25 talent points (tops), plus any we get from quests etc. and depending on how specialisations work, we should have plenty of abilities to choose from.

It certainly seems like there's a lot of choice when compared to Origins. (Granted, I think companions have less abilities to choose from due to them having access to 2 fewer trees or so I think.)

Modifié par Dan_cw, 19 février 2011 - 11:24 .

[Dan_cw]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's getting thrown around a lot in this thread, but do we have verification of the 12 Endings rumor?

I'd also like a link to the 12 ending thing. I've been following the game as much as I can and I haven't seen it referenced. It particulary interests me because the only way I'll really be dissapointed is if the choices made don't affect things really in terms of how the story progresses. (I don't expect them to affect a tonne, but I expect it to be better than Origins due to the framed narrative and time span)

Modifié par Dan_cw, 19 février 2011 - 11:24 .

[The Elder King]

Blacklash93 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

"- limited class progression with fixed skilltrees"

Am I the only one who saw this coming? The trees don't branch out much to begin with, plus you have all the strict pre-requirements to gain most skills. Add all that together and you only have what is mostly the illusion of choice.

From the information about the skill trees, it seems to me that I have a lot of choice, even with all the pre-requirements.

Well that's probably not the case, if the review is to be believed.

Peter Thomas said that he heavily invested 4 trees, plus two skill points in another tree. This seems to me like 28-35 points to invest. Nataikap posted all the general trees of the three classes. And from the information of every skill I saw, it seems to me that I have a lot of choice. I can make, for example ,two different S&S warrior completely different. Of course there are some restrictions, but there are a lot of choice in my opinion.

edit: and I can't trust only ONE reviews (which can possibly completed the game without doing a lot of side-quests, and don't reach the max level available in DA2, which to me it seems 25). If there are 10-15 reviews pointing this I could be worried.

Modifié par hhh89, 19 février 2011 - 11:26 .

[nelly21]

Naqey wrote...

just to clarify a few things, gamestar (87%) rates 10 different categories, for rpgs these are (in brackets the representative values for DA:O (92%)

graphics (7/10)
sound (9/10)
balance (9/10)
atmosphere (9/10)
controls (9/10)
game length (replay value etc. also affect this point) (10/10) 
quests / story (10/10)
character system (10/10)
combat system (10/10)
items (9/10)

I think (read: I guess) DA II lost points in the balance / controls / items section, so 87% is still VERY good, especially if you dont mind things like not beeing able to customize your parties armor and stuff

So basically everything I care about is 9 or above. Sweet:D

[PrinceOfFallout13]

so we are ignoring the pc gamer uk review that gave the game a 94 and different pro's and con's or is it normal bioware forum fashion to say that the low score of a freaking 88 = the game sux

[Blacklash93]

You would know because you played the game... Unlike the reviewer.



And just because you can heavily invest in a tree doesn't mean progression isn't mostly linear.

[Ryzaki]

Shiroukai wrote...

Ploppy wrote...

From the PC Games review:

"Es war seitens der Entwickler immer die Rede davon, dass man zehn Jahre im Leben des Champions Hawke erleben werde. Letztendlich sind es allerdings nur sieben Jahre geworden - und wir haben genau mitgezählt."

Translation: The game is over after 7 years, not 10 as was initially promoted. Bah!

Expension + DLC might fill the other 3 years.

*eye twitches*

Goddamn nickle and dime DLC. 

[Cazlee]

Unsatisfying Ending? I wonder if this means an incomplete ending like in Awakening where you kill the last boss then the game goes straight to the epilogue. Awakening's ending was also bad because the epilogue could mention your character disappearing. If DA2's ending is like DAO's ending, then it could be unsatisfying because there is no true "happy" ending since all outcomes have consequences. If they're calling the ending "unsatisfying" because it's like DAO's ending, that's fine. But I don't want to get invested in DA2 if the ending will be like Awakening's ending.

Modifié par Cazlee, 19 février 2011 - 11:36 .

[DTKT]

7 years?



What the hell.

[The Elder King]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so we are ignoring the pc gamer uk review that gave the game a 94 and different pro's and con's or is it normal bioware forum fashion to say that the low score of a freaking 88 = the game sux

Yeah. It seems that 88 and 87 are terrible scores. ME2 took 88 on this reviews, and I LOVED ME2.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

nelly21 wrote...

Naqey wrote...

just to clarify a few things, gamestar (87%) rates 10 different categories, for rpgs these are (in brackets the representative values for DA:O (92%)

graphics (7/10)
sound (9/10)
balance (9/10)
atmosphere (9/10)
controls (9/10)
game length (replay value etc. also affect this point) (10/10) 
quests / story (10/10)
character system (10/10)
combat system (10/10)
items (9/10)

I think (read: I guess) DA II lost points in the balance / controls / items section, so 87% is still VERY good, especially if you dont mind things like not beeing able to customize your parties armor and stuff

So basically everything I care about is 9 or above. Sweet:D

so the game is great the only downside is graphics? people look at this