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[Estel78]

Okay, according to someone who's got the magazine, with 1:1 copy-pasting they refer to quest areas for sidequests, which Bioware seem to reuse, that is, they take one area, slap a different name on it and sell it as another area. They gave an example (i'm translating here, dunno if the names in english are correct): there is an area called Wilmod's Camp and another one called Fortified Caves, both identical.

[Grey Warden Nathan]

I was realy excited for this game when it was announced, now everything i hear is knocking that

[MortalEngines]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
And cliffhanger endings...seriously? If that's true, EA has finished corrputing Bioware.

Yes because this if the first time EVER that Bioware has given a cliffhanger ending *sigh*, sometimes people need to stop thinking that EVERYTHING is due to EA.

Because of course, the ulimate way to destory gaming enjoyment is cliffhanger endings!

EA Exec: You know, I feel like messing with Bioware's fanbase again
EA Lackley: Really, well you know sir, they already feel screwed over by static armour.
EA Exec: But I have a better idea, CLIFF HANGER ENDING...MUHAHAHAHAHA!
EA Lackley: Of course! How could they see it coming in a frame narrative story...

[AlexXIV]

Morroian wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It bothers me since ME2 improved so well over ME1 in that regard. I kind of expected that improvement to carry over here.

ME2 was an improvement on ME1 and DA2 is an improvement on DAO. Whats the problem? The DA series is never going to be up to the best of the industry in terms of graphics even if just because the greater tactical emphasis is going to mean that they simply can't.

Argueably. All reviewers seem to rate DA:O higher than DA2.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 février 2011 - 11:27 .

[Morroian]

I was talking graphically.

[AlexXIV]

Morroian wrote...

I was talking graphically.

Well DA2 can't exactly go around showing off with their graphics so that's probably not exactly something that people will appreciate much.

[nightcobra]

AlexXIV wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It bothers me since ME2 improved so well over ME1 in that regard. I kind of expected that improvement to carry over here.

ME2 was an improvement on ME1 and DA2 is an improvement on DAO. Whats the problem? The DA series is never going to be up to the best of the industry in terms of graphics even if just because the greater tactical emphasis is going to mean that they simply can't.

Argueably. All reviewers seem to rate DA:O higher than DA2.

yes, all 2 of them.

that other 3rd one that rated it as 94 doesn't count as it's obviously been paid off by EA.

(insert sarcasm tone icon here)

[Shinannigan]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

It seems to me that this game simply isn't pen and paper enough for Gamestar if they gave DAO a better score, as they gave the combat a 10/10.

The way I see it is simply this..

*snip*

Exactly how I feel about the categories. GameStar and a large chunk of their more vocal readers are about "classic" rpg features, whereas for me a chunky inventory and fiddly "tactical" combat, which forces you to pause every eight seconds, are more distracting than anything from playing a role in a game.
Also, DA:O unfortunately has little to no replay value for me, apart from playing all the origin stories up to Ostagar, so I'm very much loooking forward to the more streamlined DA 2.

[ManiacalEvil]

What is soo horribly wrong with a cliffhanger ending? I love them in books, and it isn't like there haven't been RPGs before ending in cliffhangers. Just wait for sequel or if none is coming use your imagination.

[Estel78]

AlexXIV wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It bothers me since ME2 improved so well over ME1 in that regard. I kind of expected that improvement to carry over here.

ME2 was an improvement on ME1 and DA2 is an improvement on DAO. Whats the problem? The DA series is never going to be up to the best of the industry in terms of graphics even if just because the greater tactical emphasis is going to mean that they simply can't.

Argueably. All reviewers seem to rate DA:O higher than DA2.

All two of them.

Don't forget the UK review, which gave it 94, which is the same score DAO got.

Anyway, it's much too soon for drawing any conclusions.

[Shinannigan]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

And cliffhanger endings...seriously? If that's true, EA has finished corrputing Bioware.

Yeah, cliffhanger endings in a trilogy?! How dare they!

Cliffhangers make everything worse! That's why The Empire Strikes Back is the weakest of all the Star Wars movies...

... Oh wait.

[nightcobra]

Estel78 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It bothers me since ME2 improved so well over ME1 in that regard. I kind of expected that improvement to carry over here.

ME2 was an improvement on ME1 and DA2 is an improvement on DAO. Whats the problem? The DA series is never going to be up to the best of the industry in terms of graphics even if just because the greater tactical emphasis is going to mean that they simply can't.

Argueably. All reviewers seem to rate DA:O higher than DA2.

All two of them.

Don't forget the UK review, which gave it 94, which is the same score DAO got.

Anyway, it's much too soon for drawing any conclusions.

hey you're recycling my wilmod's camp, i mean, post.


sorry i had too.

[Dan_cw]

Not to go off-topic here... but no-one's actually said Dragon Age is intended to be a trilogy. There's been no indication of how many Dragon Age games there will be.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 20 février 2011 - 11:40 .

[Morroian]

Shinannigan wrote...

Yeah, cliffhanger endings in a trilogy?! How dare they!

Cliffhangers make everything worse! That's why The Empire Strikes Back is the weakest of all the Star Wars movies...

... Oh wait.

Given the possible time lag between releases cliffhangers in games are a bad idea. However if the cliffhanger is akin to DAO I don't mind, thats more along the lines of dangling plot threads left unanswered rather than a cliffhanger.

[The Elder King]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Hah, I just won 50€, that's awesome. Exactly the score I bet on by Gamestar and even the words I expected...worse than DA:O, still a good game. I don't know what everyone expected from a game that cuts major features and gets streamlined.

And cliffhanger endings...seriously? If that's true, EA has finished corrputing Bioware.

It seems to me that they said that is a great RPG, a little weaker than Origins. Still, I prefer to judge myself. Gamestar gives ME2 a 88, and I think it was a wonderful game.
About the cliffhanger, I don't have any problem with that, it they are well-made.

[Dan_cw]

I think the way to look at it is that the chantry and 'brink of war' thread established in the present time will be treated like Morrigan's Old God Baby story. However, the main story that is Hawke's rise to power etc. will have an ending.

[Shinannigan]

Morroian wrote...

Given the possible time lag between releases cliffhangers in games are a bad idea. However if the cliffhanger is akin to DAO I don't mind, thats more along the lines of dangling plot threads left unanswered rather than a cliffhanger.

I really don't see the problem. Of course, it depends how major the cliffhanger is. naturally if it's along the lines of "did they just kill Varric / Hawke?" that'd be somewhat harder to bear than just having the ending unresolved.
In the latter case I see little problem in waiting - after all, from The Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi there was a three year wait. And there's people who survived that wait!

[The Elder King]

Dan_cw wrote...

I think the way to look at it is that the chantry and 'brink of war' thread established in the present time will be treated like Morrigan's Old God Baby story. However, the main story that is Hawke's rise to power etc. will have an ending.

I agree. DA2 main  (in my opinion) is Hawke's rise to power, and this will be completed in DA2.

[DrunkenMonkey]

didnt gamestar give two worlds a 95?

i know it was a german review.



but 88-85 is a good score

[Tinxa]

Shinannigan wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

And cliffhanger endings...seriously? If that's true, EA has finished corrputing Bioware.

Yeah, cliffhanger endings in a trilogy?! How dare they!

Cliffhangers make everything worse! That's why The Empire Strikes Back is the weakest of all the Star Wars movies...

... Oh wait.

DA is NOT a trilogy! Or did you miss the memo that said we won't be playing the Warden anymore. So DAO is a standalone game and DA2 wll be too. Just because some NPCs reappear from game to game does not make it a trilogy.

[Shinannigan]

Tinxa wrote...

DA is NOT a trilogy! Or did you miss the memo that said we won't be playing the Warden anymore. So DAO is a standalone game and DA2 wll be too. Just because some NPCs reappear from game to game does not make it a trilogy.

Not with concern to the protagonists it isn't, that's right, but I'd be very surprised if the story of Hawke's rise to power (which has been defined as the Main A plot of DA 2) were to be uncompleted at the end of DA 2, so the cliffhanger probably refers more to Thedas as a whole than to Hawke.
Were that the case, it'd be a question of whether one cares enough about Thedas or certain elements like the Circle or the Chantry to consider them somewhat of a main character for the Dragon Age series: Either one doesn't, in which case there should be no problem with having a Cliffhanger which one doesn't care about, or one does, in which case it should be similar to "suffering" cliffhangers in trilogies or other game/movie series.

[Dan_cw]

Shin,



No-one's actually stated Dragon Age is intended to be a trilogy though. Instead, we have no idea how many games there'll be.



And yeah, the story of the games is more about the world. So, I reckon we will pick up where this game leaves off, even if we don't control Hawke.

[Shinannigan]

Dan_cw wrote...

Shin,

No-one's actually stated Dragon Age is intended to be a trilogy though. Instead, we have no idea how many games there'll be.

And yeah, the story of the games is more about the world. So, I reckon we will pick up where this game leaves off, even if we don't control Hawke.

I hear ya, but concerning my point that's just patato patata. That there would be more than two Dragon Age games was alluded to a couple of times - and the presence of a cliffhanger at the end of a game is pretty much a guarantee that there will be a sequel unless sales flop.

[Dune01]

I don't trust germans.