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[falconlord5]

Blacklash93 wrote...
I'm not talking about the scores.

Recycled areas? Fiddly battles? That sounds like a step down from the improvements ME2 brought to its series.

You and I clearly played different ME2's, 'cause I remember an awful lot of recycled areas. Less than DAO or ME, maybe, but still a fair share.

In fact, most games recycle either whole levels or bits of levels, to lessen the development time and reduce the cost.

[ViSeiRa]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saibh wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

No I read about the way they are rating. A jump from 89 to 90 is bigger than for example from 87 to 89. To get a 90+ it needs to be a perfect game with minor flaws.

I'll take your word on it. Like I said, three reviews don't mean a whole lot to me.

Do you know Drakensang? Does anyone? Not many. They gave it the same rating as Dragon Age. But Drakensang was a german product so I say bias. I am not always happy with their rating and what I get, but they are rather solid. If they have only one person testing the game thoroughly and writing the review it need not be one who has exactly my taste.

It's still an opinion, I thought Drakensang deserved such rating and if it was published/developed by other companies it'd have gotten more attention.

[IrishSpectre257]

Why do people put so much weight behind the numerical scores?

[Maria Caliban]

Estel78 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

- poor level design with one-to-one copy-pasting of whole quest areas (do they mean, some areas are a carbon copy of each other???)

Yes. The Lowtown in Kirkwall at night is the exact same location as Lowtown in Kirkwall at day.

Yeah but that is logical, it's the same place, just different time of day. I wouldn't put that as a con.

Having a day and night version of Kirkwall Lowtown takes as much resources as having two entirely different locations. If you have Quest A where you have to kill a bunch of goons in Lowtown (Day) and then you have Quest B where you have to kill a bunch of goons in Lowtown (Night), that's going to feel repetitive.

[Savber100]

Abbbe wrote...

Gamestar is a pretty respectable magazine, I'd say that review can be trusted.

Agreed since I seriously doubt EA will buy off a foreign game review company just in hopes that it'll sell better or whatever crap that people think EA might do.

Now, if the review was from IGN or Gamespot... I might be slightly suspicious.

[Saibh]

Modifié par Saibh, 19 février 2011 - 08:40 .

[DarthCaine]

hhh89 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Catsith wrote...

For reference, they gave Two Worlds 2 an 85%, Fallout New Vegas an 88%

With those scores, that review's credibility just went to none.

I'll wait for GameSpot and IGN when they give it 7.5

Do you really think that they'll give it a 7.5 (only curious)

IGN? No way, they've always been BioWare fanboys. They gave Jade Empire a 9.9 for god's sake.

As for GameSpot, depends on how buggy it is, as these "reviews" didn't really take that into account (look at the score they gave FNV) and some (like PC gamer) reviewed the game before it even went gold, which make them highly suspicious.

GameSpot will give it max 8.5

Modifié par DarthCaine, 19 février 2011 - 08:41 .

[Blacklash93]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Aaaand yeah, 87% or 88%, etc. indicates the game is good, which is fine with me. Any game that gets below an 80 is the only thing I'd look at with some degree of dubiousness. I'm assuming the copy & paste areas might be random encounter-type maps, but who knows (shame on you guys if you did it in major, important areas though).

I know those scores are good, but they're not "Bioware good". It's a step down.

That's basically saying DA2 isn't as good as it could/should have been.

[Khayness]

I don't care about review scores, and since 'overly referential' netted ME2 negative points, even less so.

[Brockololly]

DarthCaine wrote...
As for GameSpot, depends on how buggy it is, as these "reviews" didn't really take that into account (look at the score they gave FNV) and some (like PC gamer) reviewed the game before it even went gold, which make them highly suspicious.

GameSpot will give it max 8.5

Yeah, the nice thing with Gamespot is that they at least review the different versions of games and don't just copy/paste the reviews like IGN does- evidence being Gamespot rating FNV rightfully higher on PC than consoles.

[AlexXIV]

DarthCaine wrote...

Catsith wrote...

For reference, they gave Two Worlds 2 an 85%, Fallout New Vegas an 88%

With those scores, that review's credibility just went to none.

I'll wait for GameSpot and IGN when they give it 7.5

PC Games gave FO:NV a 84, so worse than DA2. But Fallout New Vegas wasn't so much progress from FO3 tbh.

[Saibh]

DarthCaine wrote...

IGN? No way, they've always been BioWare fanboys. They gave Jade Empire a 9.9 for god's sake.

As for GameSpot, depends on how buggy it is, as these "reviews" didn't really take that into account (look at the score they gave FNV) and some (like PC gamer) reviewed the game before it even went gold, which make them highly suspicious.

GameSpot will give it max 8.5

Jade Empire was a fantastic game, you shut that potty mouth.

The only reviewer you should be trusting is the ones you agree with. IGN editors are BioWare fanboys? That's great, I'm a BioWare fangirl! So I know they like BioWare games for probably the same reasons I do. I really love how BioWare handles things, so if they review based on the same criteria, well, I'll probably agree with them.

[Wittand25]

On the Gamestar site a poster who got his copy of the mag earlier posted the cometary of one of the testers. (Gamestar has a triple A title usually reviewed by several people to give better judgement)

Petra schreibt in ihrem Kommentar zum Test von DA 2:

Ach, ich kann’s nicht mehr hören: „DA 2 ist ja gar kein richtiges Rollenspiel mehr, blabla. Da fehlt die gescheite Iso-Ansicht, blabla. Die Kämpfe sind viel zu actionlastig, blabla."

Herrje, wo steht denn bitteschön geschrieben, dass Rollenspiele nur dann Rollenspiele sind, wenn jeder Kampf durch ewiges Rumgeklicke und Fertigkeitenaufgelade gefühlte Jahre dauert und wenn man sich durch unendliche Kolonnen von Skills wurschteln muss? Genau, das steht nirgends!

Und der Witz an der Sache ist: Wenn man will, kann man in DA 2 eben doch abendfüllend am Charakter rumtüfteln. Will ich aber gar nicht. Ich genieße lieber die gelungene Handlung, die fulminant in Szene gesetzten Kloppereien und die hübsche Grafik.

Die Grafik? Ja, die Grafik! Die mag zwar technisch so frisch sein wie ein sieben Wochen alter Fisch, aber sie ist immer und überall stilsicher.

A translation would be :
Petra writeds in her commetery:
So I cannot hear it anymore "DA2 is´nt a real RPG anymore, blabla, It misses the isometric view, blabla, Fights are to actiony; blabla"

Where is it written that RPGs are only RPGs, if every fight feels like it takes years because you have to wait for your abilities to recharge and have to dig through endless colums of abilities? Nowhere.

The joke is: If you want to, you can still spend whole eenings trying to opimize your characters. But I don´t like that. I rather enjoy the good plot, the fulminate choregraphed fights and the pretty graphics.

The graphics ? Yes the graphics! The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish, but they show an immaculate sense of style always and everywhere.


I hope that transllation works. If someone could do a better one I would be grateful.

Modifié par Wittand25, 19 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[ErichHartmann]

88 and 87 are very good scores. I don't think any game deserves above 93%. I don't care either way. A score doesn't affect my personal enjoyment.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 19 février 2011 - 08:44 .

[packardbell]

Savber100 wrote...

This game screams for a cliffhanger seeing as it's totally possible with developers admitting that Cassandra might play a bigger role in a potential DA3, which means that there might be a continuation of the story. That and I can imagine DA2 ending with Hawke stepping through the door and confronting Cassandra. BOOM. The End.

Yikes... hope that doesn't happen UNLESS the ending gives a hint about Morrigan's god baby returning after the 10 years after Origins of which I won't mind the cliffhanger at all.
Yeah.. I'm a sucker for any reference from DA:O

I've got a feeling you're right. It stinks of splinter cell conviction.

[ViSeiRa]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Having a day and night version of Kirkwall Lowtown takes as much resources as having two entirely different locations. If you have Quest A where you have to kill a bunch of goons in Lowtown (Day) and then you have Quest B where you have to kill a bunch of goons in Lowtown (Night), that's going to feel repetitive.

Hmm, you weren't being sarcastic then, I can understand how playing in the same area at night and day can feel repetitive but it doesn't take as much resources to make two different areas as opposed to making the same area with different day times... dynamic lighting, color palettes and mapping can do the trick, that way you don't need to make new models/buildings, textures and so on... 

I'd blame it on the short dev time but you know what? I guess that's what they wanted all along, what others may call repetitive I might call familiarity.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 19 février 2011 - 08:46 .

[falconlord5]

Blacklash93 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Aaaand yeah, 87% or 88%, etc. indicates the game is good, which is fine with me. Any game that gets below an 80 is the only thing I'd look at with some degree of dubiousness. I'm assuming the copy & paste areas might be random encounter-type maps, but who knows (shame on you guys if you did it in major, important areas though).

I know those scores are good, but they're not "Bioware good". It's a step down.

That's basically saying DA2 isn't as good as it could/should have been.

ME2 got the same score.

You and DarthCaine (and a whole bunch of other people) are simply looking for reasons to hate this game, and you're forgetting the first rule of reviews: Don't trust 'em. They are not based on any kind of objective measurement, but rather the subjective experience of the player.

Ergo, you should wait until at least the demo to complain.

[JigPig]

>gamespot
>good

Pick at most one.


[quote]
Gamespot : Halo: Reach 9.5[/quote]
[quote]
Gamespot : Halo 3 9.5[/quote]
[quote]
Gamespot : Halo ODST 9.0[/quote]
[/quote]
[quote]
Gamespot : Call of Duty: Black Ops 9.0[/quote]

Modifié par JigPig, 19 février 2011 - 08:49 .

[upsettingshorts]

ErichHartmann wrote...

88 and 87 are very good scores. I don't think any game deserves above 93%. I don't care either way. A score doesn't affect my personal enjoyment.

Why 93%?

[Savber100]

In the end if the reviews are accurate, DAII is good but not ground-breaking. If you liked Dragon Age: Origins, you'll either love DAII or might be slightly disappointed.



However, Baldur Gate II killer, Dragon age II is not. (But who seriously thought it was going to be one?)



Simple as that and I'm fine with that.

[AtreiyaN7]

Blacklash93 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Aaaand yeah, 87% or 88%, etc. indicates the game is good, which is fine with me. Any game that gets below an 80 is the only thing I'd look at with some degree of dubiousness. I'm assuming the copy & paste areas might be random encounter-type maps, but who knows (shame on you guys if you did it in major, important areas though).

I know those scores are good, but they're not "Bioware good". It's a step down.

That's basically saying DA2 isn't as good as it could/should have been.

It's saying that it's good - period. But hey now, I tell you what, you go head up a development team and let's see what you can do in making a game.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 19 février 2011 - 08:48 .

[AlexXIV]

Wittand25 wrote...

On the Gamestar site a poster who got his copy of the mag earlier posted the cometary of one of the testers. (Gamestar has a triple A title usually reviewed by several people to give better judgement)

Petra schreibt in ihrem Kommentar zum Test von DA 2:

Ach, ich kann’s nicht mehr hören: „DA 2 ist ja gar kein richtiges Rollenspiel mehr, blabla. Da fehlt die gescheite Iso-Ansicht, blabla. Die Kämpfe sind viel zu actionlastig, blabla."

Herrje, wo steht denn bitteschön geschrieben, dass Rollenspiele nur dann Rollenspiele sind, wenn jeder Kampf durch ewiges Rumgeklicke und Fertigkeitenaufgelade gefühlte Jahre dauert und wenn man sich durch unendliche Kolonnen von Skills wurschteln muss? Genau, das steht nirgends!

Und der Witz an der Sache ist: Wenn man will, kann man in DA 2 eben doch abendfüllend am Charakter rumtüfteln. Will ich aber gar nicht. Ich genieße lieber die gelungene Handlung, die fulminant in Szene gesetzten Kloppereien und die hübsche Grafik.

Die Grafik? Ja, die Grafik! Die mag zwar technisch so frisch sein wie ein sieben Wochen alter Fisch, aber sie ist immer und überall stilsicher.

A translation would be :
Petra writeds in her commetery:
So I cannot hear it anymore "DA2 is´nt a real RPG anymore, blabla, It misses the isometric view, blabla, Fights are to actiony; blabla"

Where is it written that RPGs are only RPGs, if every fight feels like it takes years because you have to wait for your abilities to recharge and have to dig through endless colums of abilities? Nowhere.

The joke is: If you want to, you can still spend whole eenings trying to opimize your characters. But I don´t like that. I rather enjoy the good plot, the fulminate choregraphed fights and the pretty graphics.

The graphics ? Yes the graphics! The graphics might be technichally as fresh as seven week old fish, but they show an immaculate sense of style always and everywhere.


I hope that transllation works. If someone could do a better one I would be grateful.

I would write the clue is. Because the joke is may sound negative in english.

Aber sonst gute Übersetzung

[Saibh]

Blacklash93 wrote...
I know those scores are good, but they're not "Bioware good". It's a step down.

That's basically saying DA2 isn't as good as it could/should have been.

DAO:

Eurogamer: 80
Play.tm: 85
Video Gamer: 80

ME1:

Destructoid: 70
Eurogamer: 80
GameSpot: 85

[DTKT]

What is the "Bioware good". 95% average metacritic?

I think everyone is still on the "high" that was ME2. We'll have to wait a bit before seeing if DAII will be acclaimed as much.

Modifié par DTKT, 19 février 2011 - 08:50 .