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[drahelvete]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Absolutely not! Besides Baldur's Gate (the whole trilogy), NWN2 had a better story than any of BioWare's games.

No. Mask of the Betrayer, maybe. KotOR and JE had way better stories than the NWN2 OC.
I do think NWN 2 is the best game of the last 6 years, though,

Edit: Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Modifié par drahelvete, 20 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[Merced652]

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Mass Effect 3? Skyrim Skyrim Skyrim

Comparing a third-person cover shooter RPG like ME3 to a first-person open world sandbox RPG like Skyrim, is like comparing pie to cake.

They are both delicious and both differant, why not try them both?

Mass Effect isn't delicious

[JJDrakken]

Merced652 wrote...

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

He has a point, even though I enjoyed heck out of ME2, he still has a point


JJ

[mesmerizedish]

drahelvete wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Absolutely not! Besides Baldur's Gate (the whole trilogy), NWN2 had a better story than any of BioWare's games.

No. Mask of the Betrayer, maybe. KotOR and JE had way better stories than the NWN2 OC.
I do think NWN 2 is the best game of the last 3 years, though,

Okay, full disclosure, I've never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one of them.

[Anathemic]

Because last 2006-2011 is 3 years

Modifié par Anathemic, 20 février 2011 - 01:01 .

[wulfsturm]

Merced652 wrote...

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, full disclosure, I've
never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But
KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and
KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I
know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one
of them.

Gonna point out again that both NWN2 and KOTOR2 were both made by Obsidian, not BioWare. Two differant companies.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 20 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[drahelvete]

Anathemic wrote...

Because last 2006-2011 is 3 years

Oops. Typo.

[Noilly Prat]

Hmm.  I thought that NWN 2 had a terrible story, immensely unlikable characters, generally awful writing, and dreadful acting.

Just goes to show, I guess, you know, different strokes and all that.  I think Obsidian is capable of doing great stuff-- I loved KOTOR 2's plot, characters, and dialogue, incomplete though it was-- but I thought NWN 1's OC was better than NWN 2's story.  For real.

[Archereon]

MitchDragonage wrote...

Because right now, I'm worried Dragon age 2 won't live to its awesomeness like Orgins did.  But, so far, it looks amazing!

Were there a lot of people worrying about Mass Effect 2?  On this forum?  Of course, there always are.

Ironically, IMHO, those people were half right.  While Mass Effect wasn't RUINED FOREVER by it, ME2 was much less satisfying, particularly because of the extremely episodic plot and the increased emphasis on combat, which was infuriately repetitive.

Dragon Age 2 will probably have a similar feeling for me, if only because Bioware, in making the game more action oriented, is ignoring the fact that classic RPG elements like inventory managment and a focus on character abilities rather than player skills isn't mutually exclusive from "action combat."  (See Diablo, which has, among other things, an extremely complex inventory and elaborate item managment, a heavy emphasis on proper character builds, and an isometric camera to boot.)

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, full disclosure, I've
never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But
KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and
KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I
know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one
of them.

Gonna point out again that both NWN2 and KOTOR2 were both made by Obsidian, not BioWare. Two differant companies.

How were they in the wrong when the worries actually came true?

I still recall pratically no armor customization is ME2

[Archereon]

wulfsturm wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, full disclosure, I've
never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But
KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and
KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I
know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one
of them.

Gonna point out again that both NWN2 and KOTOR2 were both made by Obsidian, not BioWare. Two differant companies.

Stop being so American please.  Democracy is nice, but direct democracy is a disaster.

[Eclipse_9990]

Anathemic wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Mass Effect 3? Skyrim Skyrim Skyrim

Comparing a third-person cover shooter RPG like ME3 to a first-person open world sandbox RPG like Skyrim, is like comparing pie to cake.

They are both delicious and both differant, why not try them both?

Mass Effect isn't delicious

Yeah well thats just your opinion. I love me some Mass Effect. 

[wulfsturm]

Anathemic wrote...

How were they in the wrong when the worries actually came true?

I still recall pratically no armor customization is ME2

They were wrong in assuming that "no armor customization" (there was) made ME2 a worse game then ME1.

Archereon wrote...

Stop being so American please.  Democracy is nice, but direct democracy is a disaster.

That's great and all, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 20 février 2011 - 01:07 .

[drahelvete]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, full disclosure, I've never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one of them.

KotOR 2 was  a great game, but I prefer KotOR.
Agree to disagree?

Modifié par drahelvete, 20 février 2011 - 01:08 .

[ErichHartmann]

Archereon wrote...
  (See Diablo, which has, among other things, an extremely complex inventory and elaborate item managment, a heavy emphasis on proper character builds, and an isometric camera to boot.)

And extremely repetitive gameplay and minimalistic RPG storytelling.  Of course I am only anticipating Diablo III for the epic loot grinding and nothing else.

[Archereon]

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

How were they in the wrong when the worries actually came true?

I still recall pratically no armor customization is ME2

They were wrong in assuming that "no armor customization" (there was) made ME2 a worse game then ME1.

That's very debatable.  The armor customization was largely cosmetic, which annoyed me and other CRPG players, but the real knife in our hearts was the fact that the upgrade system that was supposed to replace inventory was wall bangingly simplistic.

[Veex]

Noilly Prat wrote...

There are always a lot of people worrying about a lot of things around here.

Noilly Prat has the correct answer here. Every game has detractors and making any change at all is guaranteed to make someone displeased.

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

How were they in the wrong when the worries actually came true?

I still recall pratically no armor customization is ME2

They were wrong in assuming that "no armor customization" (there was) made ME2 a worse game then ME1.

It did, and if you call amor customization "switching different color outfits" then you must be exasperating with joy with DA:O's armor customization.

[Archereon]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Archereon wrote...
  (See Diablo, which has, among other things, an extremely complex inventory and elaborate item managment, a heavy emphasis on proper character builds, and an isometric camera to boot.)

And extremely repetitive gameplay and minimalistic RPG storytelling.  Of course I am only anticipating Diablo III for the epic loot grinding and nothing else.

ME2: Unbelievably repetitive gameplay.

ME1: Also repetitive.

Dragon Age Origins: Somewhat repetitive, with the "20 bear arses" sidequests putting the nail in that coffin.

[ErichHartmann]

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 20 février 2011 - 01:18 .

[wulfsturm]

Archereon wrote...

That's very debatable.  The armor customization was largely cosmetic, which annoyed me and other CRPG players, but the real knife in our hearts was the fact that the upgrade system that was supposed to replace inventory was wall bangingly simplistic.

Well, that's your opinion.

My opinion is that this streamlining made the whole game experiance much better.

Anathemic wrote...

It did, and if you call amor
customization "switching different color outfits" then you must be
exasperating with joy with DA:O's armor customization.

You mean DA2's armor customization, don't you? And you would be wrong, I couldn't care less. I care more about the plot, story, and characters rather then such fleeting cosmedic changes.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 20 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[mesmerizedish]

wulfsturm wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, full disclosure, I've
never played Jade Empire. Only BioWare RPG I don't own. But KotOR? KotOR's story was bland, and that's being generous. NWN2 and KotOR2 blow their precedents out of the water on the plot front. Yes, I know that KotOR2 had plenty of other flaws, but a poor story was NOT one of them.

Gonna point out again that both NWN2 and KOTOR2 were both made by Obsidian, not BioWare. Two differant companies.

Mmm, I'm fully aware... that was kind of my point, actually BioWare has many strengths, but I think that "big goddam stories" aren't one of them. The writing on KotOR was way better than on KotOR II, but the actual core plot was way better in the sequel. Likewise, Origins had a very generic story. What was wonderful about it was the characters, the actualy writing, the individual scenes... but they haven't had a really good "big goddam story" since Baldur's Gate. I'm hoping that DAII will change that.

[Archereon]

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

How were they in the wrong when the worries actually came true?

I still recall pratically no armor customization is ME2

They were wrong in assuming that "no armor customization" (there was) made ME2 a worse game then ME1.

Archereon wrote...

Stop being so American please.  Democracy is nice, but direct democracy is a disaster.

That's great and all, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.

You don't have to be American to act American.  Fact is your post essentially called metacritic scores God. ("It had a good metacritic score, therefore the haters were WROOOOONNNG!" is essentially what the quoted post said)

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm wrote...

Archereon wrote...

That's very debatable.  The armor customization was largely cosmetic, which annoyed me and other CRPG players, but the real knife in our hearts was the fact that the upgrade system that was supposed to replace inventory was wall bangingly simplistic.

Well, that's your opinion.

My opinion is that this streamlining made the whole game experiance much better.

there's this new game called Black Ops