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[Merced652]

wulfsturm wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

the best part is everyone's worries about ME2 were incredibly well founded, and then validated. ME2 was still a decent enough game though, but the naysayers for the most part were completely correct.

And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

So when people expressed worries about the lack of an inventory, the story, the near ahnihilation of RPG "character building elements" they were wrong because it got high scores? Man its really hard for me not to rip in to you over this, so i'll just politely say that the first time i played through ME2 i enjoyed it, hell i could even say i really enjoyed it a lot. But i didn't make it even 1/3rd of the way through any subsequent play through because it lacked any variation in gameplay besides renegade/paragon. And to fulfill my renegade fix all i had to do was watch this video.

[Vicious]

ME2 will be better than DA2.



From what I've seen, anyway.

[Archereon]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Your point?  Sounds like your playing the wrong type of games for you.

Repetition isn't necessarily bad.  Most shooters are also extremely repetitive, but in a different way.  Virtually all games are repetitive in fact.  The best games for a certain person are those that are repetitive in an enjoyable way.

[wulfsturm]

Archereon wrote...


You don't have to be American to act American.  Fact is your post essentially called metacritic scores God. ("It had a good metacritic score, therefore the haters were WROOOOONNNG!" is essentially what the quoted post said)

Thank you for putting words into my mouth, I so aprecciate it.

And since you need help understanding my reasoning, here's a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregate_data

Merced652 wrote...

So when people expressed worries about
the lack of an inventory, the story, the near ahnihilation of RPG
"character building elements" they were wrong because it got high
scores? Man its really hard for me not to rip in to you over this, so
i'll just politely say that the first time i played through ME2 i
enjoyed it, hell i could even say i really enjoyed it a lot. But i
didn't make it even 1/3rd of the way through any subsequent play through
because it lacked any variation in gameplay besides renegade/paragon.
And to fulfill my renegade fix all i had to do was watch this video.

As I said before, these people were wrong in assuming that all of your afformentioned factors would make ME2 a bad game. It didn't, thus me linking the Metacrtic scores.

So you, and people like you, would be exceptions to the rule, and not the rule itself.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 20 février 2011 - 01:15 .

[Archereon]

Anathemic wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Archereon wrote...

That's very debatable.  The armor customization was largely cosmetic, which annoyed me and other CRPG players, but the real knife in our hearts was the fact that the upgrade system that was supposed to replace inventory was wall bangingly simplistic.

Well, that's your opinion.

My opinion is that this streamlining made the whole game experiance much better.

there's this new game called Black Ops

That's a bit unfair.  Black Ops actually has quite a bit of loadout customization...Or so I hear...

ME2 actually has less guns than Black Ops, and less armor customization than Halo Reach.  That's just sad.

[mesmerizedish]

wulfsturm wrote...

Archereon wrote...

That's very debatable.  The armor customization was largely cosmetic, which annoyed me and other CRPG players, but the real knife in our hearts was the fact that the upgrade system that was supposed to replace inventory was wall bangingly simplistic.

Well, that's your opinion.

My opinion is that this streamlining made the whole game experiance much better.

On this, we absolutely agree. Mass Effect and its sequel were both awful RPGs. But every change they made from ME1 to ME2 did serve to make it a better game. I will be upfront, I did not like Mass Effect. I thought it was alright, but it just wasn't... well, it wasn't all that fun. ME2 is just fun.

[JJDrakken]

All I hear is cry cry **** ****** moan cry cry



This sums up the post right?



JJ

[drahelvete]

Wow!

These. Things. Are. Subjective.

[Archereon]

wulfsturm And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

I fail to see how that's not "Metacritic gave the score a high rating, therefore the worries were wrong.", which is approximately what I said.

Metacritic is all fine and good, but it can be decieving.  There's many people on this forum who use names like Halo as an insult, yet it and other shooters tend to have high Metacritic scores.  Clearly, such games aren't good by the standards such people are using. 


I am in the minority that's true, but so are people who like RPGs.  Just look at the sales of RPGs, including that shooter masquerading as an RPG, Mass Effect 2 (and to a lesser extent, ME1), compared to the sales of mainstream shooters like COD.  Some of them have ten times more sales.

Modifié par Archereon, 20 février 2011 - 01:21 .

[Archereon]

JJDrakken wrote...

All I hear is cry cry **** ****** moan cry cry

This sums up the post right?

JJ

All I hear haters hating on haters recursively.

[MuseMajora]

Archereon wrote...

wulfsturm And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

I fail to see how that's not "Metacritic gave the score a high rating, therefore the worries were wrong.", which is approximately what I said.

Metacritic is all fine and good, but it can be decieving.  There's many people on this forum who use names like Halo as an insult, yet it and other shooters tend to have high Metacritic scores.  Clearly, such games aren't good by the standards such people are using. 

Halo is a great game, at least from a video game development point of view. Why do many people dislike it? Because all of their friends liked it.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 20 février 2011 - 01:21 .

[wulfsturm]

Archereon wrote...

I fail to see how that's not "Metacritic gave the score a high rating, therefore the worries were wrong.", which is approximately what I said.

Metacritic is all fine and good, but it can be decieving.  There's many people on this forum who use names like Halo as an insult, yet it and other shooters tend to have high Metacritic scores.  Clearly, such games aren't good by the standards such people are using. 

Well, it's a good thing that the average consumer isn't also a game reviewer, isn't it?

[Archereon]

wulfsturm wrote...

Archereon wrote...

I fail to see how that's not "Metacritic gave the score a high rating, therefore the worries were wrong.", which is approximately what I said.

Metacritic is all fine and good, but it can be decieving.  There's many people on this forum who use names like Halo as an insult, yet it and other shooters tend to have high Metacritic scores.  Clearly, such games aren't good by the standards such people are using. 

Well, it's a good thing that the average consumer isn't also a game reviewer, isn't it?

Yes, it is very good, since COD and other shooters would utterly dominate RPGs in both sales and REVIEW scores then.

Modifié par Archereon, 20 février 2011 - 01:26 .

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm needs to play some Black Ops

[Merced652]

wulfsturm wrote...

Archereon wrote...


You don't have to be American to act American.  Fact is your post essentially called metacritic scores God. ("It had a good metacritic score, therefore the haters were WROOOOONNNG!" is essentially what the quoted post said)

Thank you for putting words into my mouth, I so aprecciate it.

And since you need help understanding my reasoning, here's a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregate_data

Merced652 wrote...

So when people expressed worries about
the lack of an inventory, the story, the near ahnihilation of RPG
"character building elements" they were wrong because it got high
scores? Man its really hard for me not to rip in to you over this, so
i'll just politely say that the first time i played through ME2 i
enjoyed it, hell i could even say i really enjoyed it a lot. But i
didn't make it even 1/3rd of the way through any subsequent play through
because it lacked any variation in gameplay besides renegade/paragon.
And to fulfill my renegade fix all i had to do was watch this video.

As I said before, these people were wrong in assuming that all of your afformentioned factors would make ME2 a bad game. It didn't, thus me linking the Metacrtic scores.

So you, and people like you, would be exceptions to the rule, and not the rule itself.

So any criticism thrown at any particular subject is so black and white that the person who does the criticizing is essentially saying "well this change will RUIN the game and make it suck." Rather than "well i think this change sucks, and people would probably prefer it be different, but overall it might not make the game suck, but it won't be the cause of any endearment?"

You, and people like you, are toolboxes. Not only toolboxes, but idiots as well. Not everyone who is criticizing DA2 says the game will suck. Quite a few however have expressed chagrin over some changes just like with ME2. And just like ME2 i'm sure DA2 gets super awesomely good blah ****ing blah metascore, the detractions people had at this stage could very well prove to be valid just like they did in ME2.

Perhaps you should be a little less assholish in your approach, or maybe you should just get a ****ing clue.

Modifié par Merced652, 20 février 2011 - 01:31 .

[wulfsturm]

Anathemic wrote...

wulfsturm needs to play some Black Ops

No, I don't thanks.

[Anathemic]

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

wulfsturm needs to play some Black Ops

No, I don't thanks.

STREAMLINE THAT **** MAN

COD ALL TEH WAY! LOVE DAT HALO! WOOT FALLOUT NEW VEGAS IS DAH SHIZ

[wulfsturm]

Anathemic wrote...

STREAMLINE THAT **** MAN

COD ALL TEH WAY! LOVE DAT HALO! WOOT FALLOUT NEW VEGAS IS DAH SHIZ

I think someone may need to take their medicine right about now.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 20 février 2011 - 01:30 .

[Anathemic]

I think someone needs to play more streamlined games and witness the 'epic'

[wulfsturm]

Anathemic wrote...

I think someone needs to play more streamlined games and witness the 'epic'

Ah, you're trolling - got it. Let me exit this thread while you continue to make a fool of yourself.

[sevalaricgirl]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

There were lots of people worrying about DA:O not living up to the BG games and NWN too.

Seriously? Besides ME1, NWN was BioWare's worst game, hands down.

I really enjoyed Mass Effect 1.  For me, it was better than ME2.  I'm downloading NWN Diamond right now and if it's similar to ME1 in how people rate it, I'm sure I will enjoy it.

[Dreadstruck]

wulfsturm wrote......
And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

Isn't this called Argument from authority?

[Taiyama]

choochoo37 wrote...

Am I the only one that loved ME1 and found ME2 bland and repetitive?

No, you are most certainly not. We are definitely in the minority, however.

[sevalaricgirl]

Vicious wrote...

ME2 will be better than DA2.

From what I've seen, anyway.

I completely disagree.  I was not fond of ME2.  From what I've seen, DA2 is going to top it.

[Anathemic]

Taiyama wrote...

choochoo37 wrote...

Am I the only one that loved ME1 and found ME2 bland and repetitive?

No, you are most certainly not. We are definitely in the minority, however.

Everyone is in the minority get over it