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[Anathemic]

XBenotto18 wrote...

Atrodous marketing? It isn't that bad and why should the method of market make the actual game bad?

DA:O's DLC's sucked

[XBenotto18]

The marketing method for DAII shouldn't make people hate the game itself. I wasn't talking about DLCs for Origins. DLCs aren't really known for being good.

[Anathemic]

XBenotto18 wrote...

[Atrocious] marketing? It isn't that bad and why should the method of market make the actual game bad?

Look at your own quote, you questioned if method of marketing makes the actual game bad. DA:O's DLCs sucked and generated negative criticisms on the game, the DLCs, and the franchise as a whole.

And DLC's are a method of marketing.

Modifié par Anathemic, 20 février 2011 - 03:16 .

[Eclipse_9990]

XBenotto18 wrote...

The marketing method for DAII shouldn't make people hate the game itself. I wasn't talking about DLCs for Origins. DLCs aren't really known for being good.

Well Mass Effects 2's DLC were pretty damn good. Especially Lair of the Shadow Broker.
*waits for someone to disagree for some reason*

[Gvaz]

Things I liked about ME2:

- Music/sound effects
- graphics
- certain character personalities
- combat

things I didn't like:

- consolodated and trimmed out all the "fat" or rather I would say the "meat" of an rpg
- no real customization of yourself or party members. Minor suit changes or stat differences are not customization. Nor is recoloration of items.
- mining. Holy **** mining minigame. **** that ****.
- difficulity of the game was rather poor.
- lack of weapon choice or armor choice. Once you got an upgrade that was it, there was no reason to change your loadout. Only like four weapons a type (other than heavy but those tended to be restrictive) and a few armors, most of them DLC.
- game felt smaller than ME1 because they took out the free roaming on planets. They could have just made the mako a little ship like they did with the hammerhead and make you search for everything.
- hacking minigames weren't hard, just tedious.
- global cooldowns on abilities so you can't really spam all your abilities at once, boo
- story was flatter than me1, it was centered around little short 30-90 minute recruiting actions and loyalty missions.
- mission complete screen really took you out of the enviroment and really established how small and compartmentalized the whole game is

[Eclipse_9990]

[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...

[quote]Anathemic wrote...

[quote]XBenotto18 wrote...

Anathemic, your going to need to provide way more reasoning for way ME2 is worst then ME1, not just because of armor customization[/quote]

Huh? I'm arguing that people's assumptions that the naysayers of ME2 were wrong is completely false, not how ME1 is better than ME2.

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What's one naysayer's worst nightmare, another person might  find appealing (like the consignment of omni-gelling to oblivion, where it rightfully belongs). Even if the naysayer is correct in his/her prediction - big whoop - chances are it only matters to them. So far they (the DA2 naysayers)  seem to be wrong about us not being able to play tactically, but hey, congratulations to them on whatever they end up being right about? *shrug*
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Well I don't think anyone's really arguing that anymore.. Atleast I don't think so. If they are then the're wrong, and who cares anyway.  People are too damn obsessed with being "right". Its as if they've never won anything in their lives, or cares too much about winning, and is projecting this in a video game forum. 

[cactusberry]

Anathemic wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

Atrodous marketing? It isn't that bad and why should the method of market make the actual game bad?

DA:O's DLC's sucked

I disagree, I thought they were amazing.
Then again, I only really have expirence with Halo and Fable. O_o Compared to those, they were amazing.

[Eclipse_9990]

TheDarkRats wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

Atrodous marketing? It isn't that bad and why should the method of market make the actual game bad?

DA:O's DLC's sucked

I disagree, I thought they were amazing.
Then again, I only really have expirence with Halo and Fable. O_o Compared to those, they were amazing.

Really? I'm on the side defending DA:2, and sequals, and even I think they weren't that good. You really liked them? I guess Awakening was alright, but Witch hunt? Cmon.  

[Esoj16]

Anathemic wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Care to point out which of my statements were 'false'? I never stated anything but facts and my opinion. As far as I remember an opinion can't be 'false'.

Oh I swear...

wulfsturm wrote...

And yet ME2 was still considered a better game then ME1.

ME1 Metacritic aggregate score: 91 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect

ME2 Metacritic aggregate score: 96 www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2

So the "worriers" were in the wrong.

There bolded it for you, that's my whole point, to prove THAT statement wrong. You obviously joined in to defend said point yes (since you went to argue with me on your first post)?

Boy you're thick, he's saying the nay'sayers were wrong as in ME2 was not a worse game than ME because of all the changes, in fact, most people agree ME2 was better than ME.

No one is arguing that ME2's "inventory system" is unworthy of that name

As far as DA2 is concerned, I have hope in Bioware, what can I say, I'm a hopeless fanboy :innocent:

[AtreiyaN7]

spernus wrote...


If you want to be as objective as possible,you need to look beyond the Bioware forums.There's a lot of concern regarding Dragon age 2 versus Mass effect 2.It's really simple as to why that is and it's not the dumbing down of the serie:

1) Atrocious marketing
2) Unlike Mass effect 2,Dragon age 2 look ugly as sin and is the victim of numerous jokes.It become really bad when haters post pictures of The Witcher 2 in a Dragon age 2 thread (including the Witcher 2 pictures thread on GAF which had pics of Dragon age 2 posted) 
3) It's easy for people who have doubts to become negative when they see the combat...

Despite the dumbing down of Mass effect 2 which affected the enjoyment level of many hardcore rpg fans,nobody was really worried for the combat or graphics which looked better than the first.

So the truth is: no,there weren't this many people worried about Mass effect 2.I mostly post on Neogaf and the backlash against DA2 is nearly as bad as the one against Too Human.I am afraid of the reactions when the demo is released. 

1) Their marketing was meh on DA:O from what I hear. But since I hadn't actually followed the game's development, that really didn't apply in my purchasing decision. I saw that it was out, saw the BW name, read some reviews to see what the critics thought, and I later bought it. The tizzy everyone was in over the Marilyn Manson song that I kept reading about apparently didn't ultimatly hurt sales. They could probably work a bit on better marketing however.

2) It's been acknowledged that TW2 has better graphics. As far as the DA2 graphics go, they're clearly an improvement over DA:O and are serviceable. They're not ugly. In fact, I provided the links to the vids from that public demo thread for two friends a few days ago (mentioned it was viewable in HD) and told them about the upcoming demo. One said it looked nice and that he liked the improved graphics. My other friend said he'd probably pick it up for his PS3. Both of them have played DA:O.

3) Yes, it is easy - especially when people want to ignore the fact that despite the speeded up combat, you can still micromanage your party to your heart's content  - just like in DA:O. The camera not pulling out as far aside, it can still be played in the same way (pausing, issuing commands, setting tactics).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 20 février 2011 - 03:42 .

[XBenotto18]

I don't know why people complain about DAII graphics, obviously they didn't play origins becasue their were ugly. They improved, whats to complain about

Modifié par XBenotto18, 20 février 2011 - 03:48 .

[Nohvarr]

That's it's not as pretty as the Witcher. Basically it's the fans of two similar games released around the same time having a ******* contest. Same thing happened with Infamou & Prototype.

[Anathemic]

Nohvarr wrote...

That's it's not as pretty as the Witcher. Basically it's the fans of two similar games released around the same time having a ******* contest. Same thing happened with Infamou & Prototype.

[Nohvarr]

Ah right, forget that the whole PC vs. console thing was also mixed up in this. Point stands, it's something for people on opposing sides to argue over endlessly until the next game comes along for them to argue over.

[Tasuru]

I don't rememebr people being worried. I rememebr several leaks that fomed together into floods that washed across the forums like a horror form the beyond.

... Maybe there was worry and it just got washed away?

[XBenotto18]

Still don't think its a reason to think DAII graphics suck since if you love origins, its still an improvement

[Anathemic]

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah right, forget that the whole PC vs. console thing was also mixed up in this. Point stands, it's something for people on opposing sides to argue over endlessly until the next game comes along for them to argue over.

It's gonna be Skyrim vs ME3, I called it.

[falconlord5]

Anathemic wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah right, forget that the whole PC vs. console thing was also mixed up in this. Point stands, it's something for people on opposing sides to argue over endlessly until the next game comes along for them to argue over.

It's gonna be Skyrim vs ME3, I called it.

For the love of pizza, I hope not. ME3 should be sufficiently different from Skyrim to avoid this nonsense.

I'm going to be proven wrong, I know. But I like to dream.

[Revan312]

The demo is the final deciding factor for me, as it should be, but like spernus, I see the elevated negativity surrounding DA2 on other forums and game communities.

If anyone thinks the attitude is bad here, check out other forums because DA2 is already, even before it's released, being used as a joke.

I'm one of the more vocal "haters" on this forum, but my concerns and the way I construct them are just that, concerns. Which means I still hope this game will be great, I simply worry it won't be. There is no worry with the other communities, they simply laugh at DA2 which is a bad sign in relation to game sales and general consumer reaction. TW2 is becoming the golden child concerning rpg players outside the bioware forum while DA2 is propped up as an example of poor development and game design.

Word of mouth is important for generating the collective group think associated with any product and if the general attitude/reaction to DA2 is "lmao, wow that looks bad" then I can't imagine the sales figures will outshine it's predecessor, let alone the fact that it's cost has jumped ten dollars. Tag on the poor reaction outside this forum about the signature edition deadline nonsense and you have a mostly apathetic to negative popular opinion.

Now, imo, I'm not sure if the demo is the act of a desperate company or a confident one, but I fear what the reaction to it will be regardless. This will make or break them as demos for such huge AAA titles generally do, and for that I respect their risk taking, but after reading the opinions outside this forum about DA2, I don't believe it will go over well, though I could easily be wrong..

Basically, as spernus said, ME2 had high hype within the player communities themselves. DA2 does not, which is a huge difference. My worries about ME2 came true which made me dislike the game transition badly(a minority opinion), the same concerns are cropping up with DA2 so my opinion is essentially unchanged from the days of ME2's development. The shift in non-minority opinion however is huge concerning DA2 and thus, I believe it will be far less of the hit they're hoping for..

Tuesday will be the day of decision, so we'll see how far the concerns/worries/negativity/****ing will persist afterward.. Either way tuesaday shall be interesting indeed..

Modifié par Revan312, 20 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Anathemic]

falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah right, forget that the whole PC vs. console thing was also mixed up in this. Point stands, it's something for people on opposing sides to argue over endlessly until the next game comes along for them to argue over.

It's gonna be Skyrim vs ME3, I called it.

For the love of pizza, I hope not. ME3 should be sufficiently different from Skyrim to avoid this nonsense.

I'm going to be proven wrong, I know. But I like to dream.

Probably is, considering they are going to be released at the end of 2011

[falconlord5]

Revan312 wrote...

The demo is the final deciding factor for me, as it should be, but like spurnus, I see the elevated negativity surrounding DA2 on other forums and game communities.

If anyone thinks the attitude is bad here, check out other forums because DA2 is already, even before it's released, being used as a joke.

I'm one of the more vocal "haters" on this forum, but my concerns and the way I construct them are just that, concerns. Which means I still hope this game will be great, I simply worry it won't be. There is no worry with the other communities, they simply laugh at DA2 which is a bad sign in relation to game sales and general consumer reaction. TW2 is becoming the golden child concerning rpg players outside the bioware forum while DA2 is propped up as an example of poor development and game design.

Word of mouth is important for generating the collective group think associated with any product and if the general attitude/reaction to DA2 is "lmao, wow that looks bad" then I can't imagine the sales figures will outshine it's predecessor, let alone the fact that it's cost has jumped ten dollars. Tag on the poor reaction outside this forum about the signature edition deadline nonsense and you have a mostly apathetic to negative popular opinion.

Now, imo, I'm not sure if the demo is the act of a desperate company or a confident one, but I fear what the reaction to it will be regardless. This will make or break them as demos for such huge AAA titles generally do, and for that I respect their risk taking, but after reading the opinions outside this forum about DA2, I don't believe it will go over well, though I could easily be wrong..

Basically, as spurnus said, ME2 had high hype within the player communities themselves. DA2 does not, which is a huge difference. My worries about ME2 came true which made me dislike the game transition badly(a minority opinion), the same concerns are cropping up with DA2 so my opinion is essentially unchanged from the days of ME2's development. The shift in non-minority opinion however is huge concerning DA2 and thus, I believe it will be far less of the hit they're hoping for..

Tuesday will be the day of decision, so we'll see how far the concerns/worries/negativity/****ing will persist afterward.. Either way tuesaday shall be interesting indeed..

The negativity will continue. And besides, all these people complaining? They'll be the first in line for both games.

And I'm going to disagree that the hype was high for ME2. All I ever heard was whine, whine, whine.

'Cause that is the purpose of the internet. Is to ****.

[Nohvarr]

*Double Post*

Modifié par Nohvarr, 20 février 2011 - 10:15 .

[Nohvarr]

Anathemic wrote...

It's gonna be Skyrim vs ME3, I called it.

Maybe not. Skyrim is a first person, open world rpg set in a land inspired by Conan the Barbarian (Devs words).

ME 3 is a thrid person shooter/rpg hybrid set in a sci-fi world inspired by Bladerunner/Star Wars etc.

Your average forum goer is unlikely to draw comparisons between two such vastly different games. The Hardcore RPG crowd will likely pick Skryim as their standard bearer and ask that all future games follow in it's rpg footsteps.

[Maria Caliban]

MitchDragonage wrote...

Was there a lot of people worrying about Mass effect 2 also?

Yes. Moreso.

[slimgrin]

Skyrim inspired by Conan? Frakkin sweet!! It's about time Tolkien got the hell out of the picture.

Sorry, just had to say that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 février 2011 - 04:08 .