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[Ryuu814]

 I'm not sure which would be better for a run on a higher difficulty....
Not sure if I want to do it on nightmare or not...

but basically I'm unsure on what is a more of a tank character is better
(Alexis happens to mean defender or to help in Greek I believe) So to me, I think defneding means a tank.
I remember on a previous threat I didn't want to be one, but I cannot see a defender/helper as a person to get a high DPS.
So I'm wondering which would commit to become a better tank. I'm not fussed on offensive skills (although they look fun) and I'm unsure what would make a nice "tank" so to speak XD.

...you guys must be getting annoyed by my constant questioning...
I'm so full of them XDD

[ussnorway]

I'd go with Dwarf templar/ champion (more for the RP than anything else). All dwarfs get 20% magic resist on nightmare level... add in the fact that you have already played a mage and it's a no brain-a'.

[Iosev]

In my experience, both the Arcane Warrior and Champion/Templar can tank very well. Essentially, the role of the tank is to draw enemies to attack so that the tank is the only one receiving damage. Tanks rely on both defense and offense to tank efficiently; you need the defensive skills to help you survive taking a lot of damage, and you need the offensive skills to help you draw threat from enemies.



Speaking of threat management, during the beginning of the game, Arcane Warriors have a somewhat difficult time establishing threat (since they don't have skills like Threaten or Taunt), at least until they get spells like Miasma, Affliction Hex, Walking Bomb, and so on.



Personally, while I do enjoy the Arcane Warrior, managing sustainable abilities can be quite annoying. For example, some sustainables only last for a battle, while others have to be turned on each time you enter a different zone, and so on. In addition, I hate having a bunch of sustainables on when you're in dialogue/cutscenes. That being said, it is those very sustainables that make Arcane Warriors practically indestructible.

[SuicidalBaby]

taunt and massive armor are more than enough to controll even a high dragon without striking it more than once fyi. you can range tank it using just taunt. fireballs and breathing the whole time, no one in melee to massive attack or grab. threaten is meerly a stepping stone to bravery.

in my expierence.

[Ryuu814]

ussnorway wrote...

I'd go with Dwarf templar/ champion (more for the RP than anything else). All dwarfs get 20% magic resist on nightmare level... add in the fact that you have already played a mage and it's a no brain-a'.

Hmm...you make a good case, despite the fact I have played through all the origins for achivement whoring a few months back I'll proabably check out the Dwarf noble origins.
I find the females seem less...Sexy as a Dwarf XDD might just be me, but eh, I'll have a look into it.

So I guess it's settled a champion/templar sword+shield warrior have played as a mage and after some thought an Arcane Warrior plays as a self buffer with an offensive edge, not my cup of tea for a mage (very tradiontal with my mages XD)

Now all I need is a build and some stat research!
To the research mobile!
..uh don't suppose anyone can recommend me any good web-sites that can help? XD

EIDT: also I just remembered I happen to have my Blood Dragon Armour that I never used ._. I know it's not the best armour (I think Wade's armour made form the dragon scales are) but untill then, is it a useful bit of armour or am I better of waiting till I find something else? 
...Also noticed I spelled Champion wrong *facepalm*

Modifié par Ryuu814, 20 février 2011 - 05:41 .

[errant_knight]

I always play a templar/champion. With both Alistair and my PC specced like that, we can have lots of good templar fun. I loves me some holy smite and clense area. Those with the passive specs make dealing with mages a breeze. Looks pretty, too.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 février 2011 - 02:05 .

[Juggernaught203]

If you want to pick an Arcane Warrior, be prepared for an indestructible machine (if properly specced), but who does little more then auto-attacking, unless you have Blood Mage as second specialisation.

I've played two AW's, both tank, though the first AW was more of a spellcaster in plate in Origins, and I liked her better when I specced her as a tank in Awakening, and had Alistair tank with Sword and Board, and Sten with a 2H, but I liked the AW tanks better, by far. Just be sure to get the right build for him/her.

Modifié par Juggernaught203, 21 février 2011 - 02:21 .

[SuicidalBaby]

Ryu, its a solid set till you get juggernaut, legion, effort, warden's(upgraded to dragonbone by the weaponsmith), or wade's superior w/ Rock-Knocker Helm or Ancient Eleven Helm.



Elven can be aquired by trading the scarf, book, or dusk ring to the hermet in the forest before killing him. I would suggest keeping the ring and stealing the acorn from the stump.

Rock Knocker is dropped by Broodmother or sold durning Landsmeet in Denerium.



Reaver is better than Champion, Templar already has a better version of Warcary with more effiency out of your talent points. Champion pales in comparison to both of these specializations.

[ussnorway]

On a Dwarf RP note the 'noble' gets more money but the 'common' gets a happy ending!

[Ryuu814]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

Ryu, its a solid set till you get juggernaut, legion, effort, warden's(upgraded to dragonbone by the weaponsmith), or wade's superior w/ Rock-Knocker Helm or Ancient Eleven Helm.

Elven can be aquired by trading the scarf, book, or dusk ring to the hermet in the forest before killing him. I would suggest keeping the ring and stealing the acorn from the stump.
Rock Knocker is dropped by Broodmother or sold durning Landsmeet in Denerium.

Reaver is better than Champion, Templar already has a better version of Warcary with more effiency out of your talent points. Champion pales in comparison to both of these specializations.

I had a look at the Reaver talents and to me (taking this as a interactive RP) it doesn't seem to fit in with Alexis's role as a tank tyype of character who uses the templar abilities to stop spell-casters due to her past. No point boring you with the details XD but the champion spec comes into play at a later date in this fiction I got in my head.

The only thing left for me to do is to sort out my party make-up and be good to go, I got plenty of time to do it as I'm taking my time in Awakening and the other DLC with Flynn the blood mage ready for Dragon Age II.

I was thinking of taking Morrigan or Wynne with me and giving themn a handful of talens from the other tree's. Wynne would have the entire Heal tree, a few spells from the primal and a few glyphs.
Might take Zevran into my party for his lock-picking and dual wielding Rougue
my last member I'm not to sure. I'm bodering between Alistar/Shale as a second tank/ Morrigan for obvious reasons or Lelieana for the Archery (Scattershot is actually really useful...)

thanks for all the help really appriciate it.

[SuicidalBaby]

zev doesnt have lockpicking, leliana makes a better rogue altogether, archery isnt half the spec dual wield is. go passive abilities with her, 28 dex, rest cunning. if you get haste with Wynne, remember to not get momentum with Leliana.

Better to go more damage than 2 tanks. Morrigan is dynamic enough to suppport heal and nuke down any target from the start.

btw Janar in Orz sells the rock nocker helm for 11+gold 25 phys res.

[Ryuu814]

I see. So Lelieana as a dual wielder is one of my members

Set Morrigan's tactics to prioritize healing and support over nukes (is their any way to do this? I never messed with the tactics much)

Alexis being the tank

and my final one...Sten or Oghren seem like a good choice for dealing damage with 2 handers, Dog could be considered I hear some good stuff about him and I got Shale as DLC as well,



thanks Suicidial! XD I'll think of you when Alexis kills the Archdemon!

Plenty to plan now

[Last Darkness]

It dosnt really matter, but any class can high level tank.



Question is if you want to kill things or stand there awile swinging and doing poor to moderate damage when you even hit?



Arcane Warrior tank is actualy better suited to a solo game due to threat generation. But Champion/Templar is probably one of the better tanking setups for its mix of crowd control. If you really wanna push it then make your warrior a dagger+shield dex heavy build. But I prefer the higher damage builds myself over the literal tanking ones.



But a FYI Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer would probably work better for what you want over the Blood Mage route.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

arcane warior blood mage

you're pretty much unkillable

[Ryuu814]

Last Darkness wrote...

It dosnt really matter, but any class can high level tank.

Question is if you want to kill things or stand there awile swinging and doing poor to moderate damage when you even hit?

Arcane Warrior tank is actualy better suited to a solo game due to threat generation. But Champion/Templar is probably one of the better tanking setups for its mix of crowd control. If you really wanna push it then make your warrior a dagger+shield dex heavy build. But I prefer the higher damage builds myself over the literal tanking ones.

But a FYI Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer would probably work better for what you want over the Blood Mage route.

I deicded I wouldn't head for a Arcane Warrior set-up due to RP-ing reasons 
Alexis means Defender or to protect and that fits in well with a Tanking/defneding build, but at the same time I don't mind a decent damage output while the tanker is well...tanking...

Note: Just played through the Dwarf Noble playthrough, alas it clashes with what I got planned for Alexis story wise so I'll be going Human Noble or Dalish Elf, most likely Human Noble (as I;m rarely an Elf XDD)
A reason is the fact the arms on the Dwarf's sem un-naturally long and the shortness of a Dwarf really does put me off for my minds eye of Alexis Cousland (usually Gardener) 

I had a look around at the tanking builds for Alistar seeing as I will be replacing him myself. It sounds like my cup of tea for Alexis So I dont need to worry about a build, the only thing I need to worry about is HOW to build it as I go, the wrong move would spell disaster and to make the game harder than needed...