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[Zelnik]

This is a bit of a vague question.


Put simply, why is humanity important? Yes, I know that the game was made by humans, and is told from the human perspective, but I really enjoy a game that focuses more on the benefits of all races, not just the hairless plains apes that evolved on a small rocky world.

      The first game REALLY pushed the idea that humans are just up-and-coming as a race. They have an impressive military and are very eager to expand into dangerous territories, which gave them some credit with the council... but wouldn't manipulating the single largest military faction in the Citidel (the Turians) be more effective? Perhaps the race of super-advanced, long lived biotics who hold the largest economy and best technology (the Asari) would be more of a benefit? Heck, I can see a better arguement for using the Volus then using humanity, since they control the galactic economy!

Mass effect 2 put humanity on a huge focus, going to the point of making a 'human reaper'.  Why? They could make a Krogan reaper far faster just by curing the genophage and growing them en-masse. Sure, Shepard was responsible for the death of a reaper, but he is just one human. 

I confess, I am not a "humanity, **** yeah!" kind of guy, I really like to see us as just one of many races with our own qualities and setbacks. The Reapers appear to be beyond petty things like revenge... so why attack earth in ME3? It's the smallest player of the citidel factions, and directly attacking the citidel would be FAR more effective! 

I confess, the assault on earth is probably going to be the very last moments of the game, after you build and gather allies across the galaxy to attack the Reapers in a position where you know they will be all at once, but still.. it's just such a silly thing to focus on humanity so much. 

Am I blowing steam out of my ears here? or do others agree with me?

[jlb524]

I agree...it's kind of dumb but that's the kind of thing that sells.



Humans like thinking humans are awesome.



I think it would be more interesting if humanity really had to struggle to gain the respect of the other, being the new kids on the block, but it seems to all happen so easily.

[AdmiralCheez]

The problem is, if they were making a turian Reaper, how many people would care? Granted, I'd love to play a game with nothing but turians in it (because I'm a sick, sick little fangirl), but seriously, not everyone would go out of their way to protect something that really doesn't matter to them.



I quite agree, however, that ME3 should move back to having the entire galaxy as its focus. The thing I liked about ME1 was that, although humans were pretty badass, they weren't the only ones that mattered. I'm a sap for that whole teamworky/we're-not-all-that-different spiel.

[adneate]

T'is a trope and the entire plot of ME3 is another.

[Whatever42]

Actually, ME1 put the focus on humanity when the council got its ass kicked and humanity saved the day and took over. The whole series is humanity focused. In fact in ME2, I spend most of the game on Asari worlds or Krogan worlds. In ME1, I spend almost the entire game on human worlds. So lets not turn this into ME1 versus ME2.



The series is humanity focused probably because the developer didn't think we'd be into playing aliens.

[Zelnik]

Funny, since the aliens had the most character development in the game

[Aleksandar Shepard]

Well the reason is simple and reason has a name = Shepard


Reapers, be as they are - a sentient godlike race, performed their extermination of Milky Way advanced races for who knows how long without resistance (or maybe with resistance, no one knows).But at time period of ME universe only one member of very young race was able to sabotage their plans, Shepard. Between technologically more advanced Turians, Asari and Salarians human fleet was able to destroy Vanguard of Reapers all because of Shepard.

Seeing the horrific experiment done by Collectors in order to build Human Reaper led me to simple conclusion = Reapers are probably looking for genetic material of a perfect lifeform.In this case they probably consider Humans to be the ones because of Shepard's Heroic actions.Why they need it? Well I think that they can't survive without genetic material, thus they need to "refuel" every 10000 years.


Ofc this is just my conclusion because Bioware has yet to reveal the truth behind Reapers time circle of destruction.

But I think my assumption about humans is accurate one.There is no other explanation.Or maybe there is.It will all be revealed in ME3.

Modifié par Aleksandar Shepard, 20 février 2011 - 03:24 .

[jlb524]

Zelnik wrote...

Funny, since the aliens had the most character development in the game

That's subjective.  Besides, this trope has nothing to do with individuals but species.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Every-time you link to that website a monsoon hits a third world country...

The way I see it is that the reapers were originally going to grant the "honor" of becoming a reaper to the turians thanks to Saren. However after Saren failed and Shepard stopped Sovereign, they changed their mind.

I guess they choose their candidate based on which race has the single most badass individual, which is currently Shepard.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 20 février 2011 - 03:27 .

[adneate]

I guess people don't like finding out that ME2's story is cliched BS that panders to the lowest common denominator.



A whole galaxy is opened up and where do they take the series for it's epic conclusion? Earth. Yawn . . .

[kregano]

adneate wrote...

I guess people don't like finding out that ME2's story is cliched BS that panders to the lowest common denominator.

A whole galaxy is opened up and where do they take the series for it's epic conclusion? Earth. Yawn . . .

The whole series was cliched from ME1. Ancient robots coming to cull the galaxy of all life? It's so... generic. It's definitely not the reason I play the Mass Effect games.

[Youknow]

adneate wrote...

I guess people don't like finding out that ME2's story is cliched BS that panders to the lowest common denominator.

A whole galaxy is opened up and where do they take the series for it's epic conclusion? Earth. Yawn . . .

It's confirmed that it takes place on earth? 

[Confused-Shepard]

I don't understand the logic of DURR!!! HUMANS ARE RELATABLE COMES FROM. I'm a human. I look out my window and see humans. Humans. Humans Everywhere. So why am I not given the opportunity in being involved with aliens and even playing as aliens. Why do I have to save Earth when I would rather save Space Rome AKA Palaven?

Hell in Avatar we root for the aliens. In Star Wars we root for the Wookies. In Star Trek we love the Romulans, Vulcans, Klingons and Bajor because they are different and unique. Hell the aliens aren't even aliens. Turians are basically Romans, Batarians are North Koreans, Asari are Japanese. These creatures are based on cultures and regions of our own world just twisted around a bit

So tell me why I can't I play as a Turian James Bond saving his Asari Scientist girlfriend from the evil clutches of Dr. Evil Batarian. Hell half the Nintendo games dont even have humans. Ratchet & Clank? Spyro? Sonic? No humans.

THEN WHY IS MASS EFFECT ALL DURR HUMANS ARE SPECIALZ!!!

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 20 février 2011 - 05:21 .

[CroGamer002]

Cause humans killed a Reaper?



@Confused-Shepard; I rooted for humans in Avatar.

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 février 2011 - 08:29 .

[b1n0ry]

kregano wrote...
Ancient robots coming to cull the galaxy of all life? It's so... generic. It's definitely not the reason I play the Mass Effect games.

Generic? Wow. It sure gave me a new feel for the series.

And why humans? 'Cause since we are all human players.. it's supposed to add to the immersion. Some of you seem... ALIEN!

Modifié par kRaYzi3, 20 février 2011 - 08:49 .

[GodWood]

jlb524 wrote...
I think it would be more interesting if humanity really had to struggle to gain the respect of the other, being the new kids on the block, but it seems to all happen so easily.

This

[armass]

I don't like that they are making Shepard into some kind of space Jesus too, meaning he/she is always right and He/she can pretty much beat anyone and only he/she can save the galaxy/be galaxys/earths last hope.

[Ghost Warrior]

I agree with the OP

[candidate88766]

You guys could at least give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, they may be able to create a truly unique sci-fi story revolving around earth. For all we know Earth may be destroyed in the opening minutes of the game, or there could be the option to sacrifice it for the greater good. Just because it has Earth in it doesn't mean its going to be a bad story. Besides, they've already subverted at least one 'trope' in that the Reapers are shown destroying London as opposed to an American city. This, obviously, is an homage to the War of the Worlds. Mass Effect as a series is simply an homage to all the great sci-fi stories out there - hence the reason we had the option of film grain. And, generally speaking, sci-fi stories revolve around Earth. I think its a credit to Bioware that it took them 3 games to even get to showing Earth when it would have been so easy for ME1 to simply be about saving Earth.

[Archontor]

Well it occurs to me that hey can't (obviously) create a race as complex and varied as humanity, this combined with our familiarity with humanity means that the concept of all human history being worthless due to our untimely extinction is more tugging than the Turians dying because we don't know much about them and we aren't familliar with them, they didn't exist a decade ago.

[N53 Nick]

yea i agree. it's stupid.

[AllenShepard]

Becuase we're awesome. We've done more in the short years of our galactic relevance than any other race. Jesus Christ, one human saved the citadel and delayed complete annihilation. The potential of our species, based off of our accomplishments, is enough to warrant our presumed excellence.

[Destroy Raiden_]

It's about relatability 100% of the people playing the game are...surprise human! the reason why 90% of all books, comics, games, movies, ect revolve around a human protagonist is for this very reason you could do a comic, game, movie, ect about an animal but guess what that animal has human characteristics unless you're watching the nature show you're getting a squirrel that cries, feels rage, and doesn't feel the need to mate and hibernate.

[Had-to-say]

The beauty of Mass Effect 1 was that we realized that we weren't all that significant in the galactic community. I enjoyed this role as the galactic under dog. This is an under used position in science fiction narrative. I still think the Asari pose a greater threat to the Reapers.

[AlanC9]

Aleksandar Shepard wrote...
Seeing the horrific experiment done by Collectors in order to build Human Reaper led me to simple conclusion = Reapers are probably looking for genetic material of a perfect lifeform.In this case they probably consider Humans to be the ones because of Shepard's Heroic actions.

And because of humans' superior genetic makeup, as noted in Mordin's missions.