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[RunicDragons]

You know? I couldn't agree more! Why is humanity always number one in everything?

[RunicDragons]

And just wondering... If you could play as a Dwarf, Elf or Human in Dragon Age... Why not as a Turian, Krogan, Asari  or Quarian in Mass Effect?
That would be epic, just my opinion. 

Modifié par RunicDragons, 21 février 2011 - 10:45 .

[FataliTensei]

AlanC9 wrote...

Aleksandar Shepard wrote...
Seeing the horrific experiment done by Collectors in order to build Human Reaper led me to simple conclusion = Reapers are probably looking for genetic material of a perfect lifeform.In this case they probably consider Humans to be the ones because of Shepard's Heroic actions.

And because of humans' superior genetic makeup, as noted in Mordin's missions.

Their genetics weren't superior, just more varied, and that wasnt even part of the story until the ME2 overhaul happened

[Whatever42]

RunicDragons wrote...

You know? I couldn't agree more! Why is humanity always number one in everything?

Because humans are all racists. We should demand that Bioware hire some Krogan and Volus writers!

[TekFanX]

Meaningless wrote...

Can be harbringer/collector general were unique linked and built for that purpose, or collectors base had a special device which allowed communication.. or harbinger a "reaper without body" living in the collector station.. or many other number of things.. and may be  you are right as well :X

I would like to think that exchanging information with little/no delay to any other being, no matter where he is on the universe, to be something too far-fetched as it is insanely useful. If true this will prove an immense advantage perhaps winning factor to reaper army in ME3.

This technology is based on two subatomic particles being linked together.
When one is manipulated a bit, the other will have the same changes applied.
So theoretically information can be transmitted throughout our entire universe.

The connection between the Normandy SR2 and TIM is the same device.

This technology has only one weakness(as far as I know): You can only link two particles.
Meaning if you want to link 2 points with each other, you need one device, while you need three devices for three points being connected between each other and six units for four points.
The metaphor is: Make some dots on a sheet of paper(one for each place to connect) and draw a line between each and every point. Each line means one device you'd need.

And here's the best of it: This stuff is already in development here on good old earth. They are able to link two photons with each other over several kilometres. I don't know wether it was in germany, swiss or austria.


But back to topic:

In my opinion the reasons why ME is all about humanity are the following:

-The setting is meant to place a human in the role of showing the galaxy humanities worth.
-Since the game is sold to humans, of course humans are friggin awesome in the game.
-While a human is the central person of the game, it's logical to place the player in this role so the player feels important.
-It's about the exotic feeling of learning new things and getting to know other species.

[Ellestor]

BioWare has taken on the idea that it's much easier for us to sympathize with human characters, evidenced not only by the Mass Effect series but also by Dragon Age 2 in comparison to its predecessor. I don't agree—not because I'm misanthropic, but because I really, really like imagining non-human sapient species and experimenting with the notion—yet I'm content to see this hypothesis play out while it will.

jlb524 wrote...

Humans like thinking humans are awesome.

Of course, this bleeds over from reality, where we're the most awesome living thing we know of so far. Maybe we're tapeworms compared to most of the other sapient life in the universe, but until we face that exciting discovery, I don't think it's delusional to acknowledge that we appear to be the best on offer at the moment.

As for humans in the Milky Way of Mass Effect: in the series' defence, it doesn't seem like humans are, in fact, special, in biology or in some great magical woo-woo. The way I see it, they stumbled their way into receiving special attention from the Reapers by just happening to be the main foil to both the Sovereign backup plan (through the Alliance and Shepard) and the Harbinger backup backup plan (through Cerberus and Shepard). This seems to have a lot less to do with humans being innately superior in any particular way and more to do with them being new to the galactic community and therefore most eager to prove themselves to (or act independently from) the old-timers.

Modifié par Ellestor, 22 février 2011 - 03:09 .

[Walker White]

Zelnik wrote...

Put simply, why is humanity important? Yes, I know that the game was made by humans, and is told from the human perspective, but I really enjoy a game that focuses more on the benefits of all races, not just the hairless plains apes that evolved on a small rocky world.

Because the reader/viewer/player must be able to identify with the protagonist.  This is storytelling 101 and has been proven time and time again.

This does not mean that the protagonist necessarily has to be human.  However, it does mean that the protagonist can never be truly alien, as that would prevent us from identifying with it.

[DxWill10]

When squad members die around Harbinger, (if they arent human) he briefly explains why they aren't 'worthy'. when a human dies, he say 'possible candidate' or something along those lines. then says something like- favorable malleable genetic mutation or something crazy. so imo, they realize occasionally superior species will rise up, and they've probably gotten good at recognizing them. So while their main goal is extinction, they keep an eye out for possible candidates. Humans are that candidate this time around.



only harbinger doesn't realize shepard is god incarnate and descended from heaven for some righteous retribution! Eat our holy bullets harbinger

[Imperial Shadow]

While I understand the core reason of having humanity play a big role throughout Mass Effect (player has to identify with the characters in the story and humans are easy to identify with), I'm really disappointed that Earth is in/going to be a big part of ME3. It seems like such a cliche for an action scifi that of course Earth is being attacked. When its Earth being attacked, its personal. When its the Citadel, its the galaxy at stake.



Point being, I hope Earth isn't the entire focus of ME3 or I will be a very sad Shepard.

[Galactus78]

Because we invented Rock n' Roll and the Hot Pocket. Two enormous technological advances the Reapers fear...

[JediNg]

Imperial Shadow wrote...

While I understand the core reason of having humanity play a big role throughout Mass Effect (player has to identify with the characters in the story and humans are easy to identify with), I'm really disappointed that Earth is in/going to be a big part of ME3. It seems like such a cliche for an action scifi that of course Earth is being attacked. When its Earth being attacked, its personal. When its the Citadel, its the galaxy at stake.

Point being, I hope Earth isn't the entire focus of ME3 or I will be a very sad Shepard.

Me too, man.

[II J0SePh X II]

It was known that this story was going to be human-centric from the opening scene of the first game. If you don't like the premise of Mass Effect, why are you still here all these years later?

[Zelnik]

Wow Joseph, way to not only be a massive troll, but not contribute to the thread.



First, I just got the games about two weeks or so ago. Been playing them almost non stop because they are great. It doesn't mean I like every aspect of it.



To put it simply, I know too much about humanity to think its anywhere capable of being a major player on the galactic sense. When in ME2, the council were still railroading humanity, even IF they had a council seat, I thought "Wow, someone did their homework, because this is pretty much what would happen for the next two or three hundred years until everyone accepted us".



Shepard is one man, utterly incapable of doing his job successfully without alien intervention through his squad mates. Humanity is small time, it should stay small time until they really do deserve the big leagues. Rescuing the council and smacking a reaper only shows we can blow things up with a reasonable level of efficiency. It does NOT show that we are capable of anything else.



In all honesty, the council should have patted humanity on the back, given them a few dozen colony worlds, and left it at that. The Volus have more credentials for a councilperson, since they invented the whole damned economy which citidel space runs on!



The Hanar, out of the kindness of their amorphous hearts, rescue other races from extinction and let them live on their own homeworld!



What has humanity done? It's corporate interests have caused several VI outbreaks, one of it's AI licensed companies has "mysteriously" lost it's license and was shut down, brought back the Rachni from extinction, experimented with Thorian Creepers as slave labor, colonized worlds they had NO chance of defending and whining about it to the council when they are attacked, loaded fusion warheads on stealth probes against the turians, and on the whole, been a bag of phalli to everyone they meet!



Then suddenly, a massive (and i do mean massive) fleet of geth appear, engage the turian and asari fleets while a giant squid like monster flies into the citidel. The Turians and Asari have to hold back bazillions of geth, and out of the freaking blue Shepard pops into reality in the citidel, opens it, and the human fleet comes blazing in to save the day.



Anyone sitting on the outside would say "wait, WTF?", especially since humans suddenly get a council seat. Meanwhile, the loss of 20 turian cruisers, and some 6,000 turian lives, is unmentioned. 8 Human cruisers are destroyed with maybe 2400 human losses.



The turians should be the vaunted heroes of the battle, since they were the ones who were busy fighting the geth fleet, get all the fanfare and special privileges.



Humanity shows up late, saves one dreadnought, kills one reaper, loses a small number of ships, and it's "humanity F*ck yeah!" all over again



In all honesty, I am surprised the Turians and the Volus didn't say "screw you guys, I'm going home" after humanity was granted the new "god king of the galaxy" award.





End rant... time for bed.

[JediNg]

Zelnik wrote...

Wow Joseph, way to not only be a massive troll, but not contribute to the thread.

First, I just got the games about two weeks or so ago. Been playing them almost non stop because they are great. It doesn't mean I like every aspect of it.

To put it simply, I know too much about humanity to think its anywhere capable of being a major player on the galactic sense. When in ME2, the council were still railroading humanity, even IF they had a council seat, I thought "Wow, someone did their homework, because this is pretty much what would happen for the next two or three hundred years until everyone accepted us".

Shepard is one man, utterly incapable of doing his job successfully without alien intervention through his squad mates. Humanity is small time, it should stay small time until they really do deserve the big leagues. Rescuing the council and smacking a reaper only shows we can blow things up with a reasonable level of efficiency. It does NOT show that we are capable of anything else.

In all honesty, the council should have patted humanity on the back, given them a few dozen colony worlds, and left it at that. The Volus have more credentials for a councilperson, since they invented the whole damned economy which citidel space runs on!

The Hanar, out of the kindness of their amorphous hearts, rescue other races from extinction and let them live on their own homeworld!

What has humanity done? It's corporate interests have caused several VI outbreaks, one of it's AI licensed companies has "mysteriously" lost it's license and was shut down, brought back the Rachni from extinction, experimented with Thorian Creepers as slave labor, colonized worlds they had NO chance of defending and whining about it to the council when they are attacked, loaded fusion warheads on stealth probes against the turians, and on the whole, been a bag of phalli to everyone they meet!

Then suddenly, a massive (and i do mean massive) fleet of geth appear, engage the turian and asari fleets while a giant squid like monster flies into the citidel. The Turians and Asari have to hold back bazillions of geth, and out of the freaking blue Shepard pops into reality in the citidel, opens it, and the human fleet comes blazing in to save the day.

Anyone sitting on the outside would say "wait, WTF?", especially since humans suddenly get a council seat. Meanwhile, the loss of 20 turian cruisers, and some 6,000 turian lives, is unmentioned. 8 Human cruisers are destroyed with maybe 2400 human losses.

The turians should be the vaunted heroes of the battle, since they were the ones who were busy fighting the geth fleet, get all the fanfare and special privileges.

Humanity shows up late, saves one dreadnought, kills one reaper, loses a small number of ships, and it's "humanity F*ck yeah!" all over again

In all honesty, I am surprised the Turians and the Volus didn't say "screw you guys, I'm going home" after humanity was granted the new "god king of the galaxy" award.


End rant... time for bed.

[AlanC9]

FataliTensei wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
And because of humans' superior genetic makeup, as noted in Mordin's missions.

Their genetics weren't superior, just more varied, and that wasnt even part of the story until the ME2 overhaul happened

As mentioned upthread, genetic diversity is a good thing for a species. Though I was actually just thinking of superior for the Reapers' purposes.

And yep, ME2 actually reveals some stuff that wasn't mentioned in ME1. What, you wanted everything about the series to be explained in the first game of the trilogy?

[Dem_B]

People have a lot in a short period of its existence.
Less than all the other races at the moment, but everyone else had more time.

In 1961 people sent the first man into space.
In 2148 found the technology to mass effect.
Able to use it and travel through relays.
In 2157 were able to repel an attack strangers race - turians.
In 2183 killed one of the most ancient and powerful creatures - Reaper.
For 222 years, Humanity committed a huge leap forward - no race can not boast this.

And I'm not on the side of the rule of Humanity over all others. I just did an analysis.

 

[Nekemekem]

Zelnik wrote...

Wow Joseph, way to not only be a massive troll, but not contribute to the thread.

First, I just got the games about two weeks or so ago. Been playing them almost non stop because they are great. It doesn't mean I like every aspect of it.

To put it simply, I know too much about humanity to think its anywhere capable of being a major player on the galactic sense. When in ME2, the council were still railroading humanity, even IF they had a council seat, I thought "Wow, someone did their homework, because this is pretty much what would happen for the next two or three hundred years until everyone accepted us".

Shepard is one man, utterly incapable of doing his job successfully without alien intervention through his squad mates. Humanity is small time, it should stay small time until they really do deserve the big leagues. Rescuing the council and smacking a reaper only shows we can blow things up with a reasonable level of efficiency. It does NOT show that we are capable of anything else.

In all honesty, the council should have patted humanity on the back, given them a few dozen colony worlds, and left it at that. The Volus have more credentials for a councilperson, since they invented the whole damned economy which citidel space runs on!

The Hanar, out of the kindness of their amorphous hearts, rescue other races from extinction and let them live on their own homeworld!

What has humanity done? It's corporate interests have caused several VI outbreaks, one of it's AI licensed companies has "mysteriously" lost it's license and was shut down, brought back the Rachni from extinction, experimented with Thorian Creepers as slave labor, colonized worlds they had NO chance of defending and whining about it to the council when they are attacked, loaded fusion warheads on stealth probes against the turians, and on the whole, been a bag of phalli to everyone they meet!

Then suddenly, a massive (and i do mean massive) fleet of geth appear, engage the turian and asari fleets while a giant squid like monster flies into the citidel. The Turians and Asari have to hold back bazillions of geth, and out of the freaking blue Shepard pops into reality in the citidel, opens it, and the human fleet comes blazing in to save the day.

Anyone sitting on the outside would say "wait, WTF?", especially since humans suddenly get a council seat. Meanwhile, the loss of 20 turian cruisers, and some 6,000 turian lives, is unmentioned. 8 Human cruisers are destroyed with maybe 2400 human losses.

The turians should be the vaunted heroes of the battle, since they were the ones who were busy fighting the geth fleet, get all the fanfare and special privileges.

Humanity shows up late, saves one dreadnought, kills one reaper, loses a small number of ships, and it's "humanity F*ck yeah!" all over again

In all honesty, I am surprised the Turians and the Volus didn't say "screw you guys, I'm going home" after humanity was granted the new "god king of the galaxy" award.


End rant... time for bed.

This made me cheer!
Excellent post! <3

[JediNg]

Nekemekem wrote...

Zelnik wrote...

Wow Joseph, way to not only be a massive troll, but not contribute to the thread.

First, I just got the games about two weeks or so ago. Been playing them almost non stop because they are great. It doesn't mean I like every aspect of it.

To put it simply, I know too much about humanity to think its anywhere capable of being a major player on the galactic sense. When in ME2, the council were still railroading humanity, even IF they had a council seat, I thought "Wow, someone did their homework, because this is pretty much what would happen for the next two or three hundred years until everyone accepted us".

Shepard is one man, utterly incapable of doing his job successfully without alien intervention through his squad mates. Humanity is small time, it should stay small time until they really do deserve the big leagues. Rescuing the council and smacking a reaper only shows we can blow things up with a reasonable level of efficiency. It does NOT show that we are capable of anything else.

In all honesty, the council should have patted humanity on the back, given them a few dozen colony worlds, and left it at that. The Volus have more credentials for a councilperson, since they invented the whole damned economy which citidel space runs on!

The Hanar, out of the kindness of their amorphous hearts, rescue other races from extinction and let them live on their own homeworld!

What has humanity done? It's corporate interests have caused several VI outbreaks, one of it's AI licensed companies has "mysteriously" lost it's license and was shut down, brought back the Rachni from extinction, experimented with Thorian Creepers as slave labor, colonized worlds they had NO chance of defending and whining about it to the council when they are attacked, loaded fusion warheads on stealth probes against the turians, and on the whole, been a bag of phalli to everyone they meet!

Then suddenly, a massive (and i do mean massive) fleet of geth appear, engage the turian and asari fleets while a giant squid like monster flies into the citidel. The Turians and Asari have to hold back bazillions of geth, and out of the freaking blue Shepard pops into reality in the citidel, opens it, and the human fleet comes blazing in to save the day.

Anyone sitting on the outside would say "wait, WTF?", especially since humans suddenly get a council seat. Meanwhile, the loss of 20 turian cruisers, and some 6,000 turian lives, is unmentioned. 8 Human cruisers are destroyed with maybe 2400 human losses.

The turians should be the vaunted heroes of the battle, since they were the ones who were busy fighting the geth fleet, get all the fanfare and special privileges.

Humanity shows up late, saves one dreadnought, kills one reaper, loses a small number of ships, and it's "humanity F*ck yeah!" all over again

In all honesty, I am surprised the Turians and the Volus didn't say "screw you guys, I'm going home" after humanity was granted the new "god king of the galaxy" award.


End rant... time for bed.

This made me cheer!
Excellent post! <3

With the 'epic' part of Suicide Mission (scenes where they're fleeing the base, outrunning blast front, etc) playing in the background?

[Zelnik]

 hey thanks for the compliments, i was half expecting people to flame me out of the forums.
its nice that we leaped foreword in nice happy bounds in the span of three hundred years, but while we were arguing over who had the right religion, the salarians, turians, quarians, volus, hanar, batarians, krogan, asari and tons of other races were busy exploring the stars.    
by epic, you mean michael bay, right? 

Modifié par Zelnik, 22 février 2011 - 01:19 .

[Whatever42]

Lot of human-hatred here!

You should note, though, that all the other species are just as messed up as humans. Playing through ME2, the aliens are no different than us in most ways.

But think of humans as the Americans in World War 1. They were the new kids on the block, seen as brash and arrogant. Then they arrive late to the Great War and suddenly end up on top because everyone else had the hell kicked out of them. Americans didn't utterly dominate the world (which is why its a better analogy than WWII) but suddenly were at the center of everything.

Now the old world Europeans undoubtedly resented the whole situation very much. Culturally, the Americans were pretty damn primitive, still famous for thier old west shoot em up mentality - pretty much what you're describing here.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 22 février 2011 - 01:41 .

[vader da slayer]

wow, so many people don't listen to dialogue. maybe you guys (that don't understand why humans are being focused on) should go back and listen to some of the harbinger dialogue. specificly near the end. there's also some dialogue with Liara in ME1 that helps to shed light on the "Why humanity" question.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 22 février 2011 - 02:19 .

[VanTesla]

jlb524 wrote...

I agree...it's kind of dumb but that's the kind of thing that sells.

Humans like thinking humans are awesome.

I think it would be more interesting if humanity really had to struggle to gain the respect of the other, being the new kids on the block, but it seems to all happen so easily.

Humans should be toned down more realistically when confronted with more advance races. I would love to see a game that shows us with less and not always becoming the best race in the galaxy...

[VanTesla]

Zelnik wrote...

Wow Joseph, way to not only be a massive troll, but not contribute to the thread.

First, I just got the games about two weeks or so ago. Been playing them almost non stop because they are great. It doesn't mean I like every aspect of it.

To put it simply, I know too much about humanity to think its anywhere capable of being a major player on the galactic sense. When in ME2, the council were still railroading humanity, even IF they had a council seat, I thought "Wow, someone did their homework, because this is pretty much what would happen for the next two or three hundred years until everyone accepted us".

Shepard is one man, utterly incapable of doing his job successfully without alien intervention through his squad mates. Humanity is small time, it should stay small time until they really do deserve the big leagues. Rescuing the council and smacking a reaper only shows we can blow things up with a reasonable level of efficiency. It does NOT show that we are capable of anything else.

In all honesty, the council should have patted humanity on the back, given them a few dozen colony worlds, and left it at that. The Volus have more credentials for a councilperson, since they invented the whole damned economy which citidel space runs on!

The Hanar, out of the kindness of their amorphous hearts, rescue other races from extinction and let them live on their own homeworld!

What has humanity done? It's corporate interests have caused several VI outbreaks, one of it's AI licensed companies has "mysteriously" lost it's license and was shut down, brought back the Rachni from extinction, experimented with Thorian Creepers as slave labor, colonized worlds they had NO chance of defending and whining about it to the council when they are attacked, loaded fusion warheads on stealth probes against the turians, and on the whole, been a bag of phalli to everyone they meet!

Then suddenly, a massive (and i do mean massive) fleet of geth appear, engage the turian and asari fleets while a giant squid like monster flies into the citidel. The Turians and Asari have to hold back bazillions of geth, and out of the freaking blue Shepard pops into reality in the citidel, opens it, and the human fleet comes blazing in to save the day.

Anyone sitting on the outside would say "wait, WTF?", especially since humans suddenly get a council seat. Meanwhile, the loss of 20 turian cruisers, and some 6,000 turian lives, is unmentioned. 8 Human cruisers are destroyed with maybe 2400 human losses.

The turians should be the vaunted heroes of the battle, since they were the ones who were busy fighting the geth fleet, get all the fanfare and special privileges.

Humanity shows up late, saves one dreadnought, kills one reaper, loses a small number of ships, and it's "humanity F*ck yeah!" all over again

In all honesty, I am surprised the Turians and the Volus didn't say "screw you guys, I'm going home" after humanity was granted the new "god king of the galaxy" award.


End rant... time for bed.

Well that is a rant I can get behind.

[Zelnik]

What has harbinger said that suggests humans are important? All he really talks about is how much he is going to expand shepards anal circumference. Liara mentions that humans are creatures of action, but that's nothing compared to solarians, who live almost a quarter of our lifespans in the game.



In me1, the point was made that humanity should fight for everything they get...unti? Me2, when it was given on a silver platter

[Elvis_Mazur]

Supposedly humans have more genetic diversity than the other races and such fact is primordial when building a Reaper. Why this diversity is necessary we don't know. Maybe ME3 will explain.