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[Display Name Owner]

Putting the 'genetic diversity' stuff aside, there is a reason for Humanity's political status with the Council, as explained in ME1, and that is the stabilisation of the Attican Traverse, which sits between Citadel and Terminus Space.

The Council wants the region stabilised, which they could do by themselves, but since Terminus groups share an interest in the territory, moving on it could pull the Council races into a war with the Terminus Systems. So what the Council wants is for someone else to stabilise the Traverse for them.

The Alliance concentrated on arming themselves before they even met the Turians, and after the First Contact War, the Council had someone willing and capable of claiming the Traverse on their behalf. So that explains humanity's importance to the Council, and since they would obviously want to keep the Alliance on their side if they are successful in stabilising the Traverse, it explains the political leg-up the Council has been willing to give the Alliance.

I like that explanation, since it means Humanity is given enough importance for anything Shepard does to actually matter storywise, and it makes both Humanity's rise and some of the other races' objections seem feasible. The genes thing was just a tad unneccesary, to be honest (it doesn't trouble me quite as much as others - though I can undertand their complaints).

Actually, the fact that the Terminus colonies were easy targets would have made a reasonable explanation for humans being the Collectors' target, if you ask me. I mean, they are out of reach of the Alliance and Council, they are remote, they're poorly defended, and they're relatively new and detached from the rest of the Terminus Systems. That seems enough reason for the Collectors to go after them, and with no genes... weirdness.

Modifié par isnudo, 22 février 2011 - 04:27 .

[Zelnik]

That is actually a really good explanation, on the whole... but it fails to answer why the collecters didn't just chew up batarian colonies, since most of the galactic community would turn a blind eye to it... taking over colonies, driving asteroids into capitol cities and slave raiding does not garner sympathy.

[LordJeyl]

This sort of trope always bugs me. It's one thing to say that if we don't unite all the races (as the trailer sort of implies with the "If Shepard doesn't bring help" line), but it's completely another if the only thing at stake is Earth itself (Again from the trailer "there won't be an Earth left to save").

Why is Earth being treated like the most crucial element to the Mass Effect story? The component that made humans 'special' in Mass Effect 2 shouldn't have any relevance in ME3, so why is Earth the planet being attacked by the Reapers? If Earth isn't the only planet that's under attack, why does Shepard put it above all the other worlds? Did Shepard decide to all of a sudden follow Cerberus' code and save only the humans despite the story's potential of betraying them? And aren't 2/3 of Shepard's potential back story not even have the character originate from Earth?

It's not like if Earth goes, humanity and all of the galaxy will go with it. I'll even say that a story with humans having no central home anymore would be an interesting one. But even with just Earth, ME2 established that there are dozens of colonies that humans are inhabiting and with the collector threat gone, they can recolonize the ones that were attacked. And let's not forget the human population on other worlds and systems like Illium, Omega, the Citadel and even the human dominant Bekenstein. We're well scattered across the galaxy with enough of a population to restart the human race on any inhabitable planet. I'm not feeling any sense of loss if Earth was to go.

"your only hope for saving mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth."

Not buying it.

I'd much rather rally the civilizations of the galaxy to help the Quarians retake their home. Their entire galactic population doesn't even surpass 20 million and their attempts to colonize worlds is seriously limited. Even worlds they could colonize they're not allowed to because of the Council. They're the ones who are at risk of being wiped out completely with one stroke, not the entire human race. I would sooner retake Earth and give it to the Quarians than save Earth for humanity's sake.

This is why I like Joss Whedon. He's written two scifi stories that involve Earth being destroyed from the very beginning. Even in the godawful ALIEN RESURRECTION that he wrote, when Earth is brought up to be in danger from the aliens, the character of Johner says "Earth? I'd rather stay here with the things man." "Earth man, what a sh** hole". I wonder how Joss Whedon would have handled Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par LordJeyl, 22 février 2011 - 04:37 .

[Zelnik]

I am pretty sure me3 will have the possibility for geth-quarian peace, since they suggest that the real geth hold no grudge against their creators, more of a confused sympathy.



Again, if I had to choose the elimination of the reapers, or save earth.... the earth burns, one world can be sacrificed for the safety of galactic civilization.

[Display Name Owner]

Zelnik wrote...

That is actually a really good explanation, on the whole... but it fails to answer why the collecters didn't just chew up batarian colonies, since most of the galactic community would turn a blind eye to it... taking over colonies, driving asteroids into capitol cities and slave raiding does not garner sympathy.

That's true, but on the other hand the Batarian Hegemony is said to rule over the Batarian population with an iron fist. And they also happen to be the ones funding the Batarian pirates and slavers across the Galaxy. I don't think they would stand for it if the Collectors attacked their territory, and I think they probably have the power and financial pull in the Terminus systems to defend themselves, and maybe pay others to help out. They have close ties to the Blue Suns, for one thing.

Humanity is far less established within the Terminus Systems than the other species there, so it would make sense that they are the easiest target for the Collectors to go after.

[Abispa]

Earth in crisis saves game time and tons of plot exposition. If, let's say, the Elcor home world was threatened, players would have to introduced to the Elcor, have character after character explain who the Elcor are, why they're important, why they're vulnerable to attack, why their planet is so crucial to galactic stability, why their genetic structure is so unique when every game model looks the same, they would have to produce an Elcor love interest for crazed fans, etc. Or you could just say, "Earth is in trouble" and not waste time with back story and instead focus on the hero and his/her crew.

[Zelnik]

Not exactly a good example. If it say, were the turian homeworld, or the migrant fleet, then most players would fly screaming out of the void to their defense.



Also... not sure how I would take to an elcor flirting with me.

[SomeBug]

Humanity is special because the target demographic for Mass Effect games is mostly humans. In fact it is entirely humans.

[Abispa]

@ SomeBug -- I know what you mean. I tried to get my dog to play, but she was totally offended by the lack of canine support.

[Abispa]

@ Zelnik -- The Turian homeworld also isn't a good example, because, depending on how you played the game, the Turians could be rivals instead of allies to the Alliance. Plus, some players would let it burn just to tick off the Turian councilor.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

If i have not said this ones in this forum, i 'ave said it a million times. IT IS A GAME!! Not only that it is a Science Fiction Game!! I doesn't need to have a fully credible story. The writers can take liberaties in what can and canot hapen in a their story. It is that simple.

Modifié par steph285, 22 février 2011 - 08:50 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

Well, I'm of the opinion that the are Protheans > than everything so there you go. Why humanity? I don't know, I guess because Shepard is human.

EDIT: I should also say that despite how flawed we are a species, I think that our indomitable will sets us apart.  There is great potential there to do some worthwhile things, and while we have a long way to go and great deal to prove; I think in the end we would do the right thing as our heart is in the right place.  I suppose that's why I would say I love humanity and perhaps why humanity is the focal point.  To show us the best of what we can be and to celebrate our ability to do extraordinary thing when we have everything on the line.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 22 février 2011 - 08:59 .

[BatarianBob]

Humans destroyed Sovereign, then aborted Sovereign junior.  It's less a matter of being special as it is having earned ourselves a place on the Reapers sh*t list.

[Zelnik]

Humans.. (and a fleet of turians and asari) destroyed Sovereign.



Then (with the help of a Salarian, Turian, Asari, Quarian, 1,183 Geth and a super-krogan) aborted Sovereign junior



Fixed that for you.

[MJRick]

adneate wrote...

I guess people don't like finding out that ME2's story is cliched BS that panders to the lowest common denominator.

A whole galaxy is opened up and where do they take the series for it's epic conclusion? Earth. Yawn . . .

Dude steal the show!

[Vena_86]

One thing in scifi that always annoys me is that the bad guys always go for earth. Yes, our homeplanet is amazing, but I can not believe that there are more important planets and territories out there in our galaxy. Something like this always looks like a forced attempt of getting the audiences attention. I think we, the audience, are a bit more sophisticated than that and can actually appreciate the importance of all life in the galaxy. Seeing several reapers walking through a single city on earth just looks like something that would probably not happen in that situation.

Modifié par Vena_86, 23 février 2011 - 02:26 .

[nevar00]

While it would be nice to see what future-Earth is going to look like (even during a Reaper attack), I too hope the finale doesn't entirely take place on Earth. I fully expect a few big missions there, but I also expect Bioware to have plenty of other planets we can go to again... as they should.



Also I think there's a really big chance of us going to Ferros again to see what our actions did. Whether or not you wiped out the colony, whether or not ExoGeni left, etc...

[JediNg]

What Vena and nevar said

[Glix]

This reminds me of how somebody in another thread mentioned how not once in ME1 you had the option to side with the Council, and were forced to side with the Alliance most of the time.

[Zelnik]

damn those aliens and their thousands of years of civilization longer then ours! clearly they don't have the experience and foresight to know when not to go dicking around in ruins that are covered in the prothean equivalent of "Danger, ruins can cause severe trauma to the brain and/or bouts of insane stupid" labels sticky tacked to every statue...