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[AustinKain]

deuce985 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

theyd run out of old gods pretty quick if each game was about a blight.

True because they only have seven and 5 are dead now. But I'm sure they could write something in if they wanted where they didn't exactly die. One would wonder how the first god even died and they perfected the Grey Warden technique used today to kill Archdemons. Wouldn't trial and error be involved?

I'm hoping Flemeth plays a huge role in this game. For a game called dragon age, you'd think they'd have more dragons featured. Perhaps the first old god is what possessed her since I think the first god never truly died due to trial and error involved in killing Archdemons(my personal theory). Hopefully they bust lose in DA2 because they seem to have a ton of misconceptions about dragons.

The plot just doesn't seem as epic in DA2. Are the Quanari going to exploit dragon power? I doubt it. Something tells me they have a lot more up their sleeve than this basic conflict going on...has to be.

The old gods are sleeping in the ground and the Darkspawn have to dig down to one and corrupt it for a archdemon to be born.

As for speculation about the story or future of Dragon Age i will leave that up to the writers, unless they wanna hire me to do some writing for them, as i can do some great fantasy writing. Just didnt go to school to be told hey you are able to creatively put pen to paper or type words on a screen.

[wulfsturm]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...
?? this is assuming Flemeth is the main bad guy. That even if she is the main bad guy she doesnt have a plan that rquires hawke.

Flemeth is a master manipulater. You see this in her appearance, she appears old and frail to the Warden (and dies easily) but appears powerful to Hawke. Whatever she wants she doesnt go straight for it, she gets it in roundabout ways.

Any Glen Cook fans reminded of the Star Rider? Bioware writers must love Glen Cook. Which is good since he is an awsome writer who pioneered Dark Fantasy.

Hey, while we're assuming, let's assume Hawke's mother is the main villain! Why? Why not! We don't have any evidence to say she isn't the main villain after all! <_<

[Riona45]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

It is quite minor

They didnt pick out some refugee from Eden Prime to be the Hero of ME2 by making back to earth

It stayed Shepard, it stayed about saving the universe, and it was an epic storyline

DA2 Hawke feels like third string "hero"

Then don't play the game.

[deuce985]

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas. DA:O had political conflict in it but it also had a great threat to the world at the same time. DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

I just feel that Bioware isn't telling us everything and something is grander to the plot. Awakening to me introduced a lot of question marks that need answering about Blights in general. How was Darkspawn commanded by someone who wasn't a Archdemon? How was their will changed by the Architect? How was their a Fade Dragon in Blackmarsh(this is a huge question mark that leaves me to believe Flemeth was possessed by a Old God from the Fade)?

Modifié par deuce985, 20 février 2011 - 06:32 .

[Riona45]

deuce985 wrote...

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas.

 
I can't believe you'd call it a "small conflict."  It's one of the major themes of the setting as far as I can tell. 

DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

What "feels epic" is subjective, and going by your posts it sounds like any political conflict (even one that practically defines the setting) is trivial to you.

[Phoenixblight]

wulfsturm wrote...

Then I'm sorry, Flemeth would be the lamest main villain EVAR.

"Hey guys I'm gonna save you. No wait, the Warden killed me. No wait I'm not dead I can't die. I just saved Hawke and his family so he can kill me off in some other gruesome way down the line!"

Yep, I can see it now.

Oversimplifying much? 

[Swanea]

Considering the HUGE history behind magic and the chantry and the Tevintor imperium etc etc etc, I think this is a huge focus. The reason BEHIND dark spawn is magic. The darkspawn happen but once every couple hundred years. They are a constant threat to the dwarf kingdoms for sure. Besides, the warden in Origins took care of the main Blight. Yet again, that comes back to magic. Was Andraste a user of magic herself instead of some prophet? Most likely in this current setting. I think that is a very good reason for this, rather then lol another blight a few years later?!?!



Also, if you remember in DAO, when you go to fight Felmeth, she says it's a "dance she knows well". As if she has fought and "died" many times before. As if that might, "release" her?

[Melness]

The WHOLE WORLD is on the brink of war. Dragon Age 2 is about how it came to it.

Not every game must be about an ancient evil hell bent on destroying the world. Politics is much more lethal and ungly than that.

How was Darkspawn commanded by someone who wasn't a Archdemon?

The disciples have a natural capacity to control normal darkspawn.

How was their will changed by the Architect?

A 'Joining' ritual of his own that use grey warden blood.

How was their a Fade Dragon in Blackmarsh

It was a dragon somehow transformed (and banished/sealed?) by the Baroness back in the day.

Modifié par Melness, 20 février 2011 - 06:38 .

[deuce985]

Riona45 wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas.

 
I can't believe you'd call it a "small conflict."  It's one of the major themes of the setting as far as I can tell. 

DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

What "feels epic" is subjective, and going by your posts it sounds like any political conflict (even one that practically defines the setting) is trivial to you.

It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

Repetitive? Maybe but I'd like to know more about these Old Gods, Blight and Darkspawn...

Modifié par deuce985, 20 février 2011 - 06:40 .

[cactusberry]

If Dragon Age's sequel contained another Blight, would it not take away your Warden's glory from Origins? "Oh, that person's a hero! Bring out the next one, then."

[deuce985]

TheDarkRats wrote...

If Dragon Age's sequel contained another Blight, would it not take away your Warden's glory from Origins? "Oh, that person's a hero! Bring out the next one, then."

Well, it is going to happen eventually because the Blights aren't over.

[HTTP 404]

the Chantry and Andraste were a huge deal in DA:O. I didnt know Dragon Age is just about blights?



The Chantry is akin to the Roman Catholic church at the height of their power. You can't get a big enough story than that.

[Melness]

deuce985 wrote...
It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one big huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

1 - The whole world is on the brink of war. Are you saying that world wars are trivial things?

2 - I for one like mysteries, thats what drives me forward to learn more and more.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

wulfsturm wrote...

Hey, while we're assuming, let's assume Hawke's mother is the main villain! Why? Why not! We don't have any evidence to say she isn't the main villain after all! <_<

From the view of the Chantry, she probably is. They will be cursing her name for bringing me into the world as I tear their walls of their institution down around them. 

[Phoenixblight]

deuce985 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas.

 
I can't believe you'd call it a "small conflict."  It's one of the major themes of the setting as far as I can tell. 

DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

What "feels epic" is subjective, and going by your posts it sounds like any political conflict (even one that practically defines the setting) is trivial to you.

It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one big huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

You can't judge DA2 by a demo from the beginning of the game or whatever synopsis you have read we don't know where the game leads. It may go more into how Tevinter went to the Black city or we may even go to the Black city which according to the chantry is the reason why there are blights. Play or don't play the game wait til you see the ending then tell us how trivial DA2 was. 

[Nomarch]

deuce985 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas.

 
I can't believe you'd call it a "small conflict."  It's one of the major themes of the setting as far as I can tell. 

DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

What "feels epic" is subjective, and going by your posts it sounds like any political conflict (even one that practically defines the setting) is trivial to you.

It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

Repetitive? Maybe but I'd like to know more about these Old Gods, Blight and Darkspawn...

In the context of Thedas, the Chantry is the Catholic Church.  Imagine the impact on our history if halfway through the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church had totally collapsed.  Actually, it almost did with the Protestant Reformation, and that was one of the biggest events in history that set off hundreds of years of wars, defined nations, unleashed the scientific revolution, and was pretty much one of the most important events in western history since the fall of Rome.  This actually seems to me to be a bigger deal than the Blight.  If the darkspawn win, its "rock falls, everyone dies."  If something happens to the Chantry, the day-to-day life, beliefs, and entire political and cultural fabric of Thedas changes.  That seems about as epic as it comes.

[Count Viceroy]

Nomarch wrote...

 If the darkspawn win, its "rock falls, everyone dies."  If something happens to the Chantry, the day-to-day life, beliefs, and entire political and cultural fabric of Thedas changes.  That seems about as epic as it comes.

I think the main problem some people are having is that this premise, while interesting, isn't your classic lets gather a group of heroes and slay the big baddie adventure.

I'm sure there's one hidden in the story line somewhere. It just seems Bioware has gone out of its way to keep it hidden. Even the demo won't reveal anything major.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 février 2011 - 06:49 .

[deuce985]

HTTP 404 wrote...

the Chantry and Andraste were a huge deal in DA:O. I didnt know Dragon Age is just about blights?

The Chantry is akin to the Roman Catholic church at the height of their power. You can't get a big enough story than that.

Yea, definitely resembles the Crusades. I said that a million times in DA:O, Chantry/Templars remind me exactly what happened in the Crusades. Murder, spread your influence, murder, murder and more murder. This is wrong, that is wrong, only what we say is right, abide by it or face the consequences. My "evil" Blood Mage sure did save Fereldan, what does your chant teach you about that Chantry?

[deuce985]

Nomarch wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

All I'm saying is the plot doesn't seem as dire or grand to me personally. A Blight is a threat to the entire world where it put the people of Thedas on the brink of extermination. Templars/Chantry vs. Mages and Chantry's movement to spread their religion just seems like a small conflict where a faction is trying to dominate the governing of Thedas.

 
I can't believe you'd call it a "small conflict."  It's one of the major themes of the setting as far as I can tell. 

DA2's plot from what we know is basically only a bunch of political strife between the people. I'm not saying they need a "the world is about to be destroyed" plot, but it needs to feel epic.

What "feels epic" is subjective, and going by your posts it sounds like any political conflict (even one that practically defines the setting) is trivial to you.

It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

Repetitive? Maybe but I'd like to know more about these Old Gods, Blight and Darkspawn...

In the context of Thedas, the Chantry is the Catholic Church.  Imagine the impact on our history if halfway through the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church had totally collapsed.  Actually, it almost did with the Protestant Reformation, and that was one of the biggest events in history that set off hundreds of years of wars, defined nations, unleashed the scientific revolution, and was pretty much one of the most important events in western history since the fall of Rome.  This actually seems to me to be a bigger deal than the Blight.  If the darkspawn win, its "rock falls, everyone dies."  If something happens to the Chantry, the day-to-day life, beliefs, and entire political and cultural fabric of Thedas changes.  That seems about as epic as it comes.

That is actually a good point and I didn't look at it like that.

[HTTP 404]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Nomarch wrote...

 If the darkspawn win, its "rock falls, everyone dies."  If something happens to the Chantry, the day-to-day life, beliefs, and entire political and cultural fabric of Thedas changes.  That seems about as epic as it comes.

I think the main problem some people are having is that this premise, while interesting, isn't your classic lets gather a group of heroes and slay the big baddie adventure.

I'm sure there's one hidden in the story line somewhere. It just seems Bioware has gone out of its way to keep it hidden. Even the demo won't reveal anything major.

the intangibles..  its far easier to grasp slaying a Archdemon and hurlocks than it is to change the beliefs of people and the way of people's lives.

with that, I hope bioware weaves a good story...

[AlanC9]

deuce985 wrote...

It is trivial compared to a Blight. Everyone in Thedas isn't fearing for their life. I don't like it when narratives leave so many holes in their writing. The Blight is still one huge mystery and they could definitely jump into this more. It isn't like anything was better explained about the Blight, Archdemons or Dragons in general after Awakening. If anything, it just left more holes and mysteries. A lot of what happened in DA:O/Awakenings conflicts with the common knowledge and lore of Thedas. People believe one thing but was proven false and misleading...

Repetitive? Maybe but I'd like to know more about these Old Gods, Blight and Darkspawn...

This is awfully muddled. Are you concerned about finding out more about Blights or concerned that whatever DA2 is about isn't as world-shaking as what ahppened in DAO?

[Count Viceroy]

HTTP 404 wrote...

the intangibles..  its far easier to grasp slaying a Archdemon and hurlocks than it is to change the beliefs of people and the way of people's lives.

with that, I hope bioware weaves a good story...

Oh definatly. I really feel like they've got something with this. It could turn out to be epic. But it could just as well fall flat on its face.

[MyNameIsAwesomeish]

All of Thedas wasn't shaking in there boots with the Blight by the way, I thought that most didnt hear of it until after. Since it was taken care of quickly in comparison to the past. And a war between mages and the Chantry would affect every part of Thedas, much more so than the blight. And Bioware has said that they want to show how one man can affect the world over a period of time. Sure the Warden did it in a short period of time but he/she was a warden and it was expected of them to be "epic." Hawke an apostate or son of atleast isnt expected to be more than a piece of dirt.

[deuce985]

Count Viceroy wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

the intangibles..  its far easier to grasp slaying a Archdemon and hurlocks than it is to change the beliefs of people and the way of people's lives.

with that, I hope bioware weaves a good story...

Oh definatly. I really feel like they've got something with this. It could turn out to be epic. But it could just as well fall flat on its face.

This is exactly what I'm talking about right here and I fear...

Based on previews I've read, it isn't exactly warming. But it is other opinions...

[HTTP 404]

deuce985 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

the intangibles..  its far easier to grasp slaying a Archdemon and hurlocks than it is to change the beliefs of people and the way of people's lives.

with that, I hope bioware weaves a good story...

Oh definatly. I really feel like they've got something with this. It could turn out to be epic. But it could just as well fall flat on its face.

This is exactly what I'm talking about right here and I fear...

Based on previews I've read, it isn't exactly warming. But it is other opinions...

we can only hope duece