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[Berkilak]

pomrink wrote...

I actually doubt that the darkspawn came from tevinter magisters.

Where, then?

[Desmod19]

Berkilak wrote...

pomrink wrote...

I actually doubt that the darkspawn came from tevinter magisters.

Where, then?

Elves?

[MyNameIsAwesomeish]

I personally doubt Flemeth is the Maker, I am not dismissing the idea all together, but I doubt it. As for Old God I dont think she would need an Old God Baby if she were one. I had a thought, what if the Old gods are possessed Dragons? By Demons, I doubt simply because darkspawn cant use blood magic. Or by Teventer (or Elven) Mages that learned a soul transference magic and took the bodies of dragons, the other mages not knowing this wanted to learn from them and began to worship them. (I say Elven because of the eternal deal)



As for Flemeth, given the above theory, she could have learned part of the mages magic but never perfected it and is looking for eternal life, through blood magic and soul transference she can prolong her life but she must get a new body, but with an old god she could live forever.



Just a thought, not a genius and dont claim it, thoughts?

[Thor Rand Al]

pomrink wrote...

I find this topic very interesting, yet I don't have much to add. I always assumed Flemeth was much, much older than the age that was given, and I find your theories very believable.

According to some info that's around Flemeth was supposedly born in 3:0 in the city of Highever.  So ya she'd be very old, like around 600 yrs old lol.


But I have a feelin that Flemeth def has a connection to the OG.  Whether that be she is an OG or she's somehow connected to the very first Tevinter Imperiums (like maybe she excaped the corruption) who went into the Golden City.  Really interested to see more of Flemeths story unfold.

[Dante Angelo]

Flemeth is merely a drug addict. She may look old but she's really only 40. Flemeth knows how to party. Morrigan probably would've mentioned this but she's too ashamed just thinking about it brings a tear to her eye

[TheSleazebag]

Yeah Flemeth had a wild salvia party once, shame none of y'all was there

[The Archon]

Flemeth is actually a Grey Warden who absorbed the soul of an Archdemon with Blood Magic.

LE GASP.

But it says that the Old Gods taught the Magisters magic in order to help them escape from the Fade. Perhaps Flemeth was one of these old Mages and ended up freeing the soul of an Old God and absorbing it, thus granting her a Dragon form.

Modifié par The Archon, 21 février 2011 - 09:07 .

[LordPaul256]

I'm pretty sure the fact that Flemeth needs to raise new daughters and take over their bodies directly contradicts any chance of her being the Maker. Then again, I never got around to Witch Hunt, so I'm unaware of what that oft poorly reviewed DLC added to the lore.



Still, if Flemeth's plan was:

1) Have Morrigan flee during a blight

2) Spend and entire lifetime bemoaning the loss of a fake grimoire

3) Have Morrigan find that grimoire by guesses and chance

4) Then have Morrigan read that Flemeth wants to posses her body, so that

5) Morrigan & company will hunt her down and kill her...



Well, it'd be a Xanatos gambit of such ridiculous proportions that I'd wall bang my laptop.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

AlexXIV wrote...
We don't know much about the Maker. The Chantry refers to the Maker as He and very powerful. But what if they are wrong? Obviously the only one who ever 'spoke' to the Maker was Andraste. I find it kind of curious that such a powerful god would speak to only one person and then for centuries remains quiet. I mean that only opens all doors for abuse.

Why would The Maker want to speak to one person who never have any faith in Him? Morrigan is clearly a non believer. I believe Flemeth teaches her so. If Flemeth herself doesn't believe in The Maker then what's the odds she could become one?

distinguetraces wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
All 7 Old Gods are male. 

I've wondered about this -- how is it reconciled with ordinary dragon biology? Aren't only females supposed to reach full size like that?

The Tervinter Imperium worshipped the Old Gods in the form of Dragon. That is not solid evidence that prove the Old Gods are "Ordinary Biological Dragons". They could be spirits or ethereal beings that wander the Fade and mislead the Magisters in their dreams thus turning them against the Maker. 

[Elessie]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
All 7 Old Gods are male. 

Males can't get pregnant and bear lots of daughters for possibly nefarious purposes.  So taking a female body makes sense.

[Haussier]

distinguetraces wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
All 7 Old Gods are male. 

I've wondered about this -- how is it reconciled with ordinary dragon biology? Aren't only females supposed to reach full size like that?

Male spirit Female body?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Elessie wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
All 7 Old Gods are male. 

Males can't get pregnant and bear lots of daughters for possibly nefarious purposes.  So taking a female body makes sense.

Are you suggesting this gods breed? As in Dark Ritual?
Dark Ritual was performed to capture the pure essence of the taint. The Warden's taint pure the Archdemon corrupted taint thus destroying both. However, since baby wasn't form yet from the Ritual, this pure essence  cannot be destroyed. A perfect way to safe keep the essence or in the other word to preserve the Old God. This gods aren't born by female. They are created by the Maker as the First Children who dwell in The Fade.  But this first children cannot create their own image thus The Maker become dissatisfied. The Maker later create Thedas and a veil in between. The first children grow jealous with the children at Thedas because they spark divinity within them and pleases the Maker.

Getting pregnant and bear lot of daughters has nothing to do with Old Gods. I suggest you read Dragon Age Wiki about the Maker and Old Gods for further information. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 22 février 2011 - 04:20 .

[dreman9999]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

•  Dragons - We see their hatcheries, we see their stages of life, their sexual dimorphism. 

I actually don't recall ever seeing a dragon penis. 

Like most reptiles, it would be inside the body until time of use. And their would be 2 of them.

[dreman9999]

LordPaul256 wrote...

I'm pretty sure the fact that Flemeth needs to raise new daughters and take over their bodies directly contradicts any chance of her being the Maker. Then again, I never got around to Witch Hunt, so I'm unaware of what that oft poorly reviewed DLC added to the lore.

Still, if Flemeth's plan was:
1) Have Morrigan flee during a blight
2) Spend and entire lifetime bemoaning the loss of a fake grimoire
3) Have Morrigan find that grimoire by guesses and chance
4) Then have Morrigan read that Flemeth wants to posses her body, so that
5) Morrigan & company will hunt her down and kill her...

Well, it'd be a Xanatos gambit of such ridiculous proportions that I'd wall bang my laptop.

DA2 demo spoiler:





Flemeth hestitently mentions an engagment she has to attend to.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 février 2011 - 07:04 .

[Berkilak]

dreman9999 wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

I'm pretty sure the fact that Flemeth needs to raise new daughters and take over their bodies directly contradicts any chance of her being the Maker. Then again, I never got around to Witch Hunt, so I'm unaware of what that oft poorly reviewed DLC added to the lore.

Still, if Flemeth's plan was:
1) Have Morrigan flee during a blight
2) Spend and entire lifetime bemoaning the loss of a fake grimoire
3) Have Morrigan find that grimoire by guesses and chance
4) Then have Morrigan read that Flemeth wants to posses her body, so that
5) Morrigan & company will hunt her down and kill her...

Well, it'd be a Xanatos gambit of such ridiculous proportions that I'd wall bang my laptop.

DA2 demo spoiler:





Flemeth hestitently mentions an engagment she has to attend to.

Aye, I was curious if that alluded to DA:O or events further down the line in DA2. If DA:O, as far as we can tell, the only other event of any significance (after she saves the Warden and Alistair) is when she is "slain." And while I don't want to say any decision in DA:O are canon, if you happen to head off to the Circle to recruit the Mages first, it is entirely possible that you head off to kill Flemeth next (if you're feeling ballsy).

Also interesting is that she doesn't appear at her hut unless you specifically come there to slay her. Helping Hawke out, perhaps, bar that little appointment she mentions, which just may be with the Warden's blade to further her plans with Morrigan.

[MyNameIsAwesomeish]

I usually killed Flemeth close to the begining of the game. And About someone mentioning that Flemeth is an Old God (that is a male) in a female body to mate this is possible, they might wish controll over the other old god. And they never mentioned the old gods were created by females, they said a female can reproduce humans who can recieve the spirit of Old Gods.



Side note if darkspawn cant use blood magic because they have no connection with demons how is it an Old God is a spirit?

[Frocharocha]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Maybe Flemeth is the Maker.

Maker is good.Flemeth is evil.....

[HolyJellyfish]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
All 7 Old Gods are male. 

Where? Where does it actually state that as factual? And how would that actually stop someone from harboring the soul of an old god? I doubt gender accounts much for possession. It certainly doesn't for desire demons.

Here's a theory to knock off socks.

What if Flemeth is actually Morrigan's child? The babe with the soul of an old god? Its possible Flemeth was originally raising a string of orphaned women as her own daughter specifically because she was awaiting Morrigan's return. Their looks are uncannily alike.

I often wondered how Flemeth knew Morrigan would turn against her, too. When you return to her hut, the old witch is donning on full armor. She was expecting the warden.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

What if Flemeth is actually Morrigan's child? The babe with the soul of an old god? Its possible Flemeth was originally raising a string of orphaned women as her own daughter specifically because she was awaiting Morrigan's return. Their looks are uncannily alike.

Uh... So... we're talking time travel here? Cause that's the only way Flemeth could be Morrigan's child.

[Kimarous]

Two things that make me really doubt the "Flemeth is an Old God" idea is that A) the Old Gods supposedly call to the darkspawn; why haven't they tracked her down yet? the Old Gods become Archdemons when influenced by the darkspawn taint; why didn't she become an Archdemon when rescuing Alistair and the Warden from Ostagar?

[Taleroth]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

What if Flemeth is actually Morrigan's child? The babe with the soul of an old god? Its possible Flemeth was originally raising a string of orphaned women as her own daughter specifically because she was awaiting Morrigan's return. Their looks are uncannily alike.

Then Flemeth is a transvestite.  The child is a boy.

[HolyJellyfish]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

What if Flemeth is actually Morrigan's child? The babe with the soul of an old god? Its possible Flemeth was originally raising a string of orphaned women as her own daughter specifically because she was awaiting Morrigan's return. Their looks are uncannily alike.

Uh... So... we're talking time travel here? Cause that's the only way Flemeth could be Morrigan's child.

Eluvian Mirror.

[HolyJellyfish]

Kimarous wrote...

Two things that make me really doubt the "Flemeth is an Old God" idea is that A) the Old Gods supposedly call to the darkspawn; why haven't they tracked her down yet? the Old Gods become Archdemons when influenced by the darkspawn taint; why didn't she become an Archdemon when rescuing Alistair and the Warden from Ostagar?

Old Gods seem to call the Darkspawn in a very specific order.

[pomrink]

Desmod19 wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

pomrink wrote...

I actually doubt that the darkspawn came from tevinter magisters.

Where, then?

Elves?

Its always been mentioned that no one actually knows where darkspawn come from, the dwarves were the first to see them, and they have no idea where they came from. The chantrys excuse is blaming their enemies for it. I think the Darkspawn are actually a wanted outcome of the old gods, for a long and conviluted(sp) plan. If they are old and powerful gods, they'd surely be able to cook up a plan like this.