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[jamesp81]

Avenger is too low of damage. The Locust is a better "assault rifle" then the Avenger.

In truth, the Locust seems to be patterned off very compact rifles like the Colt Commando or the Korean K1. The Commando is the size of a SMG like the MP5, but it fires rifle ammo instead of the far weaker pistol ammunition that most SMGs use. Same for the Korean K1, which the Koreans label an SMG even though it uses rifle ammunition. Rifle rounds lose a good bit of their power in short barrels like that, but still retain far more power than handgun rounds. The Locust seems to be cut from this same mold; it's an SMG in name only when, in truth, it's just a really short barreled assault rifle. I always use the Locust on my non-soldier classes.

Modifié par jamesp81, 06 avril 2011 - 07:49 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I find it to be a poor weapon, it lacks the punch or accuracy to be worthwhile. Grab the vindicator instead.

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Avenger sucks, it is a useless weapon.

There is so much wrong in this post.

What exactly is wrong? It does even less damage than Locust, which is SMG. Vindicator is FAR better than Avenger too. There's nothing to discuss, the numbers speak for themselves.

I'm talking with Soldier( who doesn't have SMG's) and that gun kicks ass!

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm talking with Soldier( who doesn't have SMG's) and that gun kicks ass!

Yeah, sure. Depends on your definition of "kicks ass". Avenger is very poor weapon, it does pathetic damage.
Melee attack kills faster than Avenger.

Vindicator, and especially Mattock make Avenger a bad joke.

Modifié par Kronner, 06 avril 2011 - 08:06 .

[CroGamer002]

There's more then one definition of "kicks ass"?

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

There's more then one definition of "kicks ass"?

Apparently.

[ObserverStatus]

Now that's just silly, why would you consider using any AR but the revenant?

Modifié par bobobo878, 06 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[Someone With Mass]

Geth Pulse Rifle. Better than Avenger. More accurate than Revenant. Has more ammo capacity than Vindicator and Mattock.

[termokanden]

And doesn't deal as much damage.

[RedCaesar97]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Geth Pulse Rifle. Better than Avenger. More accurate than Revenant. Has more ammo capacity than Vindicator and Mattock.

I never liked the Geth Pulse Rifle. I always felt it did less damage than the Avenger. And the Avenger does too little damage. If it was just a tad stronger, the Avenger would be a viable weapon. 

[CroGamer002]

Why do people keep using Avenger and GPR wrong?

[termokanden]

It isn't about using them wrong. Technically speaking, there are just better alternatives. The Vindicator and Mattock are much more powerful, and I guess the Revenant is as well.

Use what you want to use though.

[RedCaesar97]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why do people keep using Avenger and GPR wrong?

I have no idea. I figure you have to use the Avenger like you would the Revenant: short, controlled bursts. I have used it on occasion, but really only for my Assault Rifle-wielding Engineer and Adept on the Reaper IFF mission. The wider spread + fast rate of fire + large clip + bonus damage to armor = great for husk rushes. But for the Engineer, Incineration Blast + Mordin's Cryo Blast is better.

I must admit that I obviously do not know how to use the Geth Pulse Rifle "properly". Whenever I use it, I end up wishing I brought the Avenger with me instead.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Avenger is riddiculous. I used to like this gun until I played Arrival dlc. You need to shoot almost 60 bullets to kill an enemy. Isn't Vindicator better ? Soldier has so many weapons avaiable that ammo for Vindicator shouldn't be a problem. Vindicator,and Mattock are best precise AR. Revnant is totally insane, but it's not too precise. Distant fights equals 1 "fast click" shooting.

[ObserverStatus]

The revenant can be effective at medium-long range when fired in bursts and almost never runs out of ammo.

[Alamar2078]

IMHO you use the Avenger for mostly RP and not efficiency purposes. If you don't have any DLC and hate the feel of the Vindicator [I despise the feel of that weapon] then you don't have many choices.

The Revvy is a better bullet hose but then you can't choose the other weapons if you'd prefer them ; The Vindy is more surgical & hits hard but some [at least I] hate the "feel" of the weapon. The Geth Assualt Rifle comes mid to late in the game. For some people [for the right reasons] I can see them preferring the Avenger for a while.

Note: I'm a Mattock or Revvy guy.

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

>Assuming the Avenger was useful to begin with  

Modifié par I AM KROGAAANNN, 06 avril 2011 - 10:14 .

[Sailears]

Avenger is for the nostalgia/cool factor. Has the looks and you feel awesome when using it - like an alliance n7 badass . Practically though, it is a poor choice when compared to mattock/vindicator, and revenant.

[Saaziel]

I like my human weapon design to be more "industrial" in shape and texture.

Sharp angles and a metallic/ heavy/ functional feel to it. I can tolerate what the armour looks like , but the Avenger is too "round" and "feeble" looking, something Nerf would make. The mattock, aside from the damage output , is a great example of what a gun should look like, so does the locust. I never liked the avenger to begin with.

The Geth pulse rifle is all about the sound.

Modifié par Saaziel, 06 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mattock before the very inaccurate Revenant any day.

And all start weapons have a better alternative.

Predator heavy pistol < Carnifex hand cannon
Shuriken SMG < Locust SMG
Avenger < Vindicator (Or the Collector rifle if you have/prefer that)
Mantis sniper rifle < Viper sniper rifle
Katana shotgun < Eviscerator

[jasonsantanna]

Kronner wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Avenger sucks, it is a useless weapon.

There is so much wrong in this post.

What exactly is wrong? It does even less damage than Locust, which is SMG. Vindicator is FAR better than Avenger too. There's nothing to discuss, the numbers speak for themselves.

What do u think of the geth pulse rifle? It has the same base dmg.
Ppl seem to like it

[termokanden]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Predator heavy pistol < Carnifex hand cannon

Carnifex is too low on ammo for my tastes.

jasonsantanna wrote...

What do u think of the geth pulse rifle? It has the same base dmg.
Ppl seem to like it

Base damage doesn't tell the whole story about damage output. Its rate of fire varies. At best it's better than the Avenger and has a higher damage output. But then you also have to take into account the damage modifiers against defense types.

Basically it ends up being better against shields and barriers, not not against armor. Should also be mentioned that it's more precise than the Avenger.

Still, I think both rifles are underpowered.

[RedCaesar97]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mattock before the very inaccurate Revenant any day.

And all start weapons have a better alternative.

Predator heavy pistol < Carnifex hand cannon
Shuriken SMG < Locust SMG
Avenger < Vindicator (Or the Collector rifle if you have/prefer that)
Mantis sniper rifle < Viper sniper rifle
Katana shotgun < Eviscerator

A lot of your "better alternatives" just come down to preference.

The Carnifex is much more powerful than the Predator, but it has a smaller clip and it holds fewer clips. The Predator is a fast-firing gun and can hold more clips. I find the Predator better early game than the Predator, when you have to hide behind cover more frequently and you have fewer pistol damage upgrades.

The Shuriken is a vastly underrated SMG, and is better for short-range combat than the Locust. This is good early-game for classes that do not start with a shotgun.

I wil not argue with the Vindicator being a better alternative than the Avenger. I cannot speak to the Collector Assault Rifle (I do not have it).

The Mantis is a good one-shot weapon early, perfect for Soldiers and Infiltrators until you can access the Widow. And you can still use the Mantis until the end of the game if you want (Soldiers who take the Revenant/Claymore or Infiltrator who like shotguns/assault rifles). Viper is better for every other class.

I prefer the Katana to the Eviscerator, but I know I am in the vast minority of people who like the Katana. I prefer the Katana's clip size and rate of fire more than the Eviscerator's. 

[termokanden]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

The Shuriken is a vastly underrated SMG, and is better for short-range combat than the Locust. This is good early-game for classes that do not start with a shotgun.

I know people are crazy about shotguns, but you really don't ever need them for CQC. SMGs work all the way through the game.

I cannot speak to the Collector Assault Rifle (I do not have it).

It isn't amazing either. The Vindicator is better.

[ashwind]

termokanden wrote...
I know people are crazy about shotguns, but you really don't ever need them for CQC. SMGs work all the way through the game.

Yes SMG are pretty good for CQC but it has 1 drawback when compared to the shotgun. Shotguns staggers while SMGs dont - in some missions; like Arrival's Object Rho, that edge is much needed.

I use SMG with my Vanguard for fun but tis not a shotgun replacement for me.