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[Shadedclan]

Well, I just finished LotSB. And I got Liara to go to myy room. And the cutscene talks about what will happen in the future. And Liara wants Shepard to come back alive but Shepard says that a big promise to keep so he should have something to come back to. And this cutscene implies they have sex and, maybe, just maybe, Liara got pregnant. So Shepard needs to come back alive to his child.

What do you think? I'm also thinking this was posted already. Sorry if it has.

[Suron]

by how their reproduction is written they have control over when they get pregnant (GREAT birthcontrol!)



being that it "may or may not include physical contact"



1. Liara wouldn't "just get pregnant"

2. Liara wouldn't decide to have his child without concenting him

3. We are not told of such a thing..nor is it in any way shape or form implied..the answer is no



oh and..



4. Nerdrage abound if Liara is the only one to get pregnant with Shepard child..especially if they have no damn say in the matter.

4.a. Not everyone WANTS children..so even if Shepard is "in love with" and "wants to spend

the rest of his life" with Liara..does NOT mean said Shepard wants a child.



So no. I think your theory is crazy and has no basis of pregnancy possibilties or even being implied any more then ANY of the other romances.

[Major Tao]

Interesting plot idea. The Asari have mentioned their three life stages; Maiden, Matron, and Martiarch...yet who knows about fertility at these different stages - except the writers ? !



Maybe if she wants to...she can have kids at any of these life stages.



Yes, of course Liara has to return ! She's got a pivotal role to play. She can share information, romance Shepard, and kick alien ass all around the block - while looking damn fine doing it too.

[nubbers666]

since she is the only non killable npc party member i am sure she will be coming back in me3

after all she is the new shadow broker lol



as for getting preg with the reapers on the way doubt she would do that

[AkiKishi]

Liara is going to become like her mother. ShadowBroker is not a job that a "nice" person can handle. She's going to end up on the Anakin Skywalker fasttrack in ME3.



She will probably still help you out but sweet Liara will be "dead".

[AkiKishi]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Words cannot describe just how much I do not want this to be incorporated into Liara's character arc, as it is tired, stupid and mildly sexist cliché. I'm quite sick and tired of watching a strong and capable woman ascend to a position of power, only to witness her then proceed to go completely insane, and transform into a power-hungry and malevolent caricature of herself.

Regardless, I am quite sure that BioWare will not utilise such trite, considering the exposition regarding Liara's character development in Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Happens to men as well...

But you can see the beginings of it even without ShadowBroker.. Her first words on Ilium are the same as her mother used. That being the case it's not like it would be a suprise if she ended up on the "darkside" because it was already in her character.

If you can come up with a way that Liara can be ShadowBroker and still remain untainted, well by my guest I'd be interested in hearing it.

[AlexMBrennan]

Many people cannot grasp the difference between "X is true" and "X is desirable".

But I'm sure that there are many kind, well adjusted and lawful good murders, torturers and "legitimate businessmen" out there who are, for some reason, under-represented in fiction (most works seem to stick with boring, safe messages like "Crime doesn't pay", "Murder is bad", etc)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 février 2011 - 04:28 .

[DPSSOC]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Words cannot describe just how much I do not want this to be incorporated into Liara's character arc, as it is tired, stupid and mildly sexist cliché. I'm quite sick and tired of watching a strong and capable woman ascend to a position of power, only to witness her then proceed to go completely insane, and transform into a power-hungry and malevolent caricature of herself.

I think you're reading a bit too much into it.  It's the idea that a position like the Shadow Broker requres a hard individual.  As such the softness of Liara's character (or anyone in the position) will be eroded away.  We see some of this just from her being an information broker.  It's not that she'll be "evil" just hard like her mother was/had to be.  It's similar to working as a lawyer, police officer, etc. anyone who deals with the worst parts of society.  When exposed to that naivete and idealism don't generally last (occassionally yes but not often).

I kind of hope they don't continue with this just because Liara in ME2 has clearly lost her mind in pursuit of venegeance and she's a little scary.  It'd be nice if dealing with the SB actually seemed to bring her some measure of peace.

For the record I want you to think back to ME1.  Now there are a lot of positive adjectives you can throw at her; strong and capable are not among them.

On topic; no baby.  This is not the time for people to be starting families and anyone who knows the extent of the danger doing so is just dreadfully irresponsible.  I'd like to think all the LI's are better than that.

Also:

Suron wrote...
2. Liara wouldn't decide to have his child without concenting him

I wouldn't be so sure, she gave your body away to be violated by a criminal organization without your consent.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 20 février 2011 - 04:35 .

[Collider]

Having a child when you're trying to defeat the reaper invasion isn't the best idea. I'm fairly certain that an asari "having" a child with another species couldn't be accidental. It's a purely voluntary thing.



I could see "let's start a family" as an option at the epilogue though, I suppose.

[Xilizhra]

For the record I want you to think back to ME1. Now there are a lot of positive adjectives you can throw at her; strong and capable are not among them.

Wha?

You're clearly hoodwinked by her really-not-very-good-at-all introduction. Remember that she's been working largely alone on remote archeological sites for fifty years, and is a very skilled biotic combatant because of it. Socially awkward, yes; she is, however, both quite strong and quite capable, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to keep up with Shepard's team.

[Collider]

I'm wondering what on earth Liara being "strong" or not has to do with Liara possibly having a child with Shepard.



No matter what one thinks of Liara, imo she has an important role in the story right now, and I believe that this warrants her returning in ME3 in a good way. She's also a love interest, which provides greater basis for it.

[AkiKishi]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I believe that the Shadow Broker network is not something that is inherently bad or evil, and that it was merely abused and misused by the power-hungry and calculating previous Shadow Broker. Liara herself states that she intends to reform the organisation, and use it as a force of good. Furthermore, a certain line of dialogue in Rdemption, spoken by Liara, heavily implies that information brokering is not something that should be used for the sole purpose of making money, and that it can be used to help people.

If the information field was something that is fundamentally bad, Barla Von would have not been able to successfully operate on the Citadel Presidium, right underneath C-Sec's nose. On the contrary, he says that his occupation has generated a mass of income, and that he is now incredibly wealthy. He wouldn't be able to do so if he was routinely committing crimes.

From what I saw of it, it most certainly is. In a way it reminds me of what Gandalf said when offered the one ring. 
"In order to wield the one ring one must become like Sauron" Or Galadriel might be a better analog. "And in his place you would raise a Queen. And I would not be evil, but beautiful and terrible as the morning and the night".

(it's from memory so they may be a little off).

She may well start off with the best of intentions but there is every likelyhood it would consume her. And even if it did not she would have to toughen up to make those choices which would irrevocably change her character.

[Wulfram]

I'd expect the player will be able to encourage Liara on a Paragon or Renegade path in ME3, like Garrus in ME1

[adneate]

BobSmith101 wrote...
She may well start off with the best of intentions but there is every likelyhood it would consume her. And even if it did not she would have to toughen up to make those choices which would irrevocably change her character.

However this isn't supported by the actions of the Shadow Brokers in the universe, the recently deceased broker was markedly more ruthless and violent than the one he replaced. This demonstates that the personal morality of the Shadow Broker has a great deal to do with how the network, as an entity, operates. The organization is not a Cerberus style outfit full of fanatics and xenophobes looking to advance their cause through violence and atrocity. It's primarily a business and one the requires the continued existence of the major parties it deals with otherwise the source of income dries up. It's ultimate goal is to continue the status quo between the superpowers so that there will continue to be a market for the information the broker sells and buys. Any radical alterations to the balance of power would be diasterous for the network, like the ascendency of any one race to the position of Galactic Hedgemon for example.

Modifié par adneate, 20 février 2011 - 05:02 .

[AkiKishi]

adneate wrote...

However this isn't supported by the actions of the Shadow Brokers in the universe, the recently deceased broker was markedly more ruthless and violent than the one he replaced. This demonstates that the personal morality of the Shadow Broker has a great deal to do with how the network, as an entity, operates. The organization is not a Cerberus style outfit full of fanatics and xenophobes looking to advance their cause through violence and atrocity. It's primarily a business and one the requires the continued existence of the major parties it deals with otherwise the source of income dries up. It's ultimate goal is to continue the status quo between the superpowers so that there will continue to be a market for the information the broker sells and buys. Any radical alterations to the balance of power would be diasterous for the network, the ascendency of any one race to the position of Galactic Hedgemon would kill the network.

She is taking over an established network. Unless she has the intention of "cleaning house" then she will have to deal with situations that will require sacrfice of innocents. If the idea is to make it look like a it's business as usual it will be a requirment that she follow established patterns however distastteful that may be.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Additionally, power is not something that is inherently evil, and people can utilise it for the power of good. Wrex has also risen to a position of leadership, and has left a trail of corpses in his wake in order to do so. I do not see the same accusations leveled at his character.

Not unless you want everyone going "Hey look someone must have killed the old ShadowBroker". That's why I used the example of the ring. In order to use the network she has to become the ShadowBroker.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 20 février 2011 - 05:08 .

[adneate]

BobSmith101 wrote...
She is taking over an established network. Unless she has the intention of "cleaning house" then she will have to deal with situations that will require sacrfice of innocents. If the idea is to make it look like a it's business as usual it will be a requirment that she follow established patterns however distastteful that may be.

The old broker didn't do that. He started right in with killing and taking contracts the broker previously didn't, Liara could just as easily steer the network in another direction and nobody would question it since at the end of the day she's still buying and selling information. A service nobody else really offers on the scale the Shadow Broker can. Nobody knows where the broker is or who the broker is, if Liara starts cleaning house who's going to stop her?

[AkiKishi]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

She does intend to "clear house", and transform the operation into something better. It is not something that will occur, overnight, though. Reforming the Shadow Broker network will be a long, slow and gradual process.

Which has every chance of breaking her and turning her into "Darth Benezia"..

[adneate]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Which has every chance of breaking her and turning her into "Darth Benezia"..

So having to help kill your own mother is easy to do and could never break a person but rejecting contracts that are distasteful would most assuredly destroy a person and turn them into a twisted perversion of their former self?

One would think killing a parent would be more difficult than saying no to something over the phone but apprently not!

[Hobosapien]

A child I'd say not in the cards at this point. As for Liara turning into a darker character, that my be influenced by Shep's paragon/renegade choices. Like Garrus seems to be swayed by the type of Shep you play.

edit:  sorry this is just an echo of wulframs post

Modifié par Hobosapien, 20 février 2011 - 05:24 .