MikeSunrider wrote...
Would be pretty awesome if Bioware did employ the RED Engine that is created by CD Projekt. It looks ridiculously powerful. But the chances for that are slim.
Modifié par Dan_cw, 21 février 2011 - 01:53 .
bloodreaperfx wrote...
Yeah well...
The Witcher II
System Requirements
Intel Processor - Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz
AMD Processor - Athlon II X2 245e
Nvidia Graphics Card - GeForce GTS 450
ATI Graphics Card - Radeon HD 4850
RAM (Memory) - 4 GB
Hard Disk Space - 8 GB
And thats for DX 9.
Those are based on recommended specs.Dan_cw wrote...
Are those the minimum or recommended specs?
Modifié par Raygereio, 21 février 2011 - 01:58 .
bloodreaperfx wrote...
Recommended I think. But since
people keep asking about the awesome graphics...they should also know it
comes at a price. It may be not much for today's standards..heck I can
play it just fine...but others may have pretty mainstream PC's.
Modifié par Dan_cw, 21 février 2011 - 02:00 .
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
Well you do have to push ahead and raise the bar. That's one thing I dislike about everyone using UE3 these days - all graphics have sort of stagnated at the same stage. There's different styles, sure but it all still has this samey look to it and the same level of detail. Besides, CPU clock isn't as important as it used to be since we moved to dual and quadcore. With just a little bit of tuning an i5-2500k will run 4Ghz with no problems and a stock cooler.
Heck, I still remember 1995-2004 when graphics took a massive leap forward everytime id Software or Valve released a new game. You don't see that these days.
Raygereio wrote...
Those are based on recommended specs.Dan_cw wrote...
Are those the minimum or recommended specs?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Pretty pictures - with pretty being subjective as bloom and hdr effects for instance are just plain ugly in my opinion - a good videogame do not make.
Good artstyle, competent controls and fun gameplay a good videogame do make.
Dan_cw wrote...
Edit: Agreed with you as well, Ray. Story etc. plays a role too.
Anyways, I think we can all agree graphics do play a role in how much a game might be enjoyed. But it's not the deciding factor as to whether or not a game is good/rubbish/average.
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
MortalEngines wrote...
I highly doubt that the RED Engine will be able to be utilized for consoles and I don't think Bioware will neglect their Console fan-base.
In its current form, no. But I was just expressing a preference. There's trade-off with any engine, but I'm sure they could create an offshoot that consoles would be able to run. Just because CD Projekt RED haven't made one at this time, does not mean it's impossible.
And remember that DAO's engine was not intended to run on consoles at all, until EA bought up BioWare.
crimzontearz wrote...
Raygereio wrote...
Those are based on recommended specs.Dan_cw wrote...
Are those the minimum or recommended specs?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Pretty pictures - with pretty being subjective as bloom and hdr effects for instance are just plain ugly in my opinion - a good videogame do not make.
Good artstyle, competent controls and fun gameplay a good videogame do make.
and that is why I'm getting Crysis 2
no seriously, I've not played a solid FPS in a while and plain cannot stand CoD, MoH and company since they are plain too...real maybe? I don't know I need an angle in my FPS...Crysis 2 seems to have it and looks very solid.....good graphics are just the cherry on top
Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 21 février 2011 - 02:14 .
bloodreaperfx wrote...
Funny thing is, cryengine 3 is one of the most powerful engines out there. I think you meant photorealism is not your thing..thats where the spice and art style comes insteadcrimzontearz wrote...
and that is why I'm getting Crysis 2Raygereio wrote...
Those are based on recommended specs.Dan_cw wrote...
Are those the minimum or recommended specs?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Pretty pictures - with pretty being subjective as bloom and hdr effects for instance are just plain ugly in my opinion - a good videogame do not make.
Good artstyle, competent controls and fun gameplay a good videogame do make.
no seriously, I've not played a solid FPS in a while and plain cannot stand CoD, MoH and company since they are plain too...real maybe? I don't know I need an angle in my FPS...Crysis 2 seems to have it and looks very solid.....good graphics are just the cherry on top
Zlarm wrote...
Of course engine influences gameplay or rather gameplay is limited by what the engine can put out. If not then theoretically any game could have battles agianst infinite number of opponents all with deferring AIs. And I was referring to more than just characters, I was referring to fully controllable party members which can all cast spells i.e. perform resource intensive actions at the same time. I would imagine the cryengine and Red engine would have a hard time if suddenly they had to account for the player having full control over 4 different people simultaneously battling numerous enemies.
Modifié par Revan312, 21 février 2011 - 02:33 .
_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...
I don't think the engine needs to be replaced frankly. It could use more improvements, maybe, but ultimately, it seems most complaints have nothing to do with the capacities of the engine, low-res textures and blocky meshes are that way because they've been made like that, not because of how the engine renders them.
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
Heck, I still remember 1995-2004 when graphics took a massive leap forward everytime id Software or Valve released a new game. You don't see that these days.
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
MortalEngines wrote...
I highly doubt that the RED Engine will be able to be utilized for consoles and I don't think Bioware will neglect their Console fan-base.
In its current form, no. But I was just expressing a preference. There's trade-off with any engine, but I'm sure they could create an offshoot that consoles would be able to run. Just because CD Projekt RED haven't made one at this time, does not mean it's impossible.
And remember that DAO's engine was not intended to run on consoles at all, until EA bought up BioWare.
Revan312 wrote...
The engine itself has nothing to do with party control. If there's more than x amount of things on screen then yes, but creating a system that utilizes control over more than one character really doesn't come into account when talking about the engine's limitations.
In fact having the player control more than one character, as long as the graphical expense of having that many people on screen isn't to high, then the computing power is actually lessened as the system doesn't have to utilize full blown AI algorithms on every character minus one on screen. Party's are no different than normal AI controlled enemies and allies, they all have to have the damage/buffs/healing/movement/attack/etc animations and stats calculated so having control over more than one doesn't really effect what you think it does.
As I said, if CD Projekt wanted, they could make TW2 a party controllable game.
And I'll reiterate on people's assumptions that TW2 is PC exclusive. From what CD Projekt has said, they're looking at porting TW2 to consoles as the RED engine is compatible and scalable enough to work on them..
Finally, I'm not going to argue in totality that Bioware needs a new engine, I just think that with as quickly as other RPG devs are pushing the new realms of graphics, Bioware might want to consider beefing up their own engines or they're going to slowly lose sales. It's not an apocalyptic thing that they don't have excellent graphics, but it wouldn't hurt them in any way to update the already aging Eclipse engine currently in use.
Zlarm wrote...
As for TW2 running on consoles we haven't seen any of that and I would be very surprised if the graphics (or number of enemies or something) weren't toned down for consoles...
Shiroukai wrote...
Actually, they made the Red Engine with consoles in mind. So they can make console games with that engine.
Zlarm wrote...
Revan312 wrote...
The engine itself has nothing to do with party control. If there's more than x amount of things on screen then yes, but creating a system that utilizes control over more than one character really doesn't come into account when talking about the engine's limitations.
In fact having the player control more than one character, as long as the graphical expense of having that many people on screen isn't to high, then the computing power is actually lessened as the system doesn't have to utilize full blown AI algorithms on every character minus one on screen. Party's are no different than normal AI controlled enemies and allies, they all have to have the damage/buffs/healing/movement/attack/etc animations and stats calculated so having control over more than one doesn't really effect what you think it does.
As I said, if CD Projekt wanted, they could make TW2 a party controllable game.
And I'll reiterate on people's assumptions that TW2 is PC exclusive. From what CD Projekt has said, they're looking at porting TW2 to consoles as the RED engine is compatible and scalable enough to work on them..
Finally, I'm not going to argue in totality that Bioware needs a new engine, I just think that with as quickly as other RPG devs are pushing the new realms of graphics, Bioware might want to consider beefing up their own engines or they're going to slowly lose sales. It's not an apocalyptic thing that they don't have excellent graphics, but it wouldn't hurt them in any way to update the already aging Eclipse engine currently in use.
1. Just having the option for 4 fully controllable characters instead of one, means there will always be more characters onscreen performing actions/taking up resources. That means at least 3 less enemies onscreen at any given time.
2. Fully controllable characters are different from other NPCs by the amount of actions they can perform. Most enemies have a very limited set of actions. Theorectically you can have a 3 mage party all casting storm of the ages or soemthing at the same time. The engine needs to be capable to deal with this.
3. Controllable party members need AI when they're not being controlled.
You're saying Cd Projeckt could suddenly add 3 more fully controllable Geralts to the game keeping the same system requirements and not have to cut back in other areas? Very unlikely.
As for TW2 running on consoles we haven't seen any of that and I would be very surprised if the graphics (or number of enemies or something) weren't toned down for consoles...
Would making DA games prettier attract more sales? Absolutely. But will those sales outweigh the costs of making DA prettier (especially in a genre where graphics have never been particularily important)?
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