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#76
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LordPaul256 wrote...

Mass Effect is a FPS.

FPS require less background computations, so more processing power can go towards graphics. It's also easier to utilize, because there is a more limited range of necessary graphics that need to be "on the ready" in the game.

It's not a fair comparison, and it never has been.


Actually its a TPS

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You - this equals my physical self, or in terms of the arugment, my character.
mad - this is the insult directed to 'you' which is me, my character since it comes after the noun 'you'
brah - this is also an insult directed to 'you', which is me, for it comes after the first insult 'mad'

Seriously, just stop.


Hahahahaahahahahahahha.

I think he's mad.


Ahahaha now you're trolling. I troll better than you.

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Riloux wrote...

Lycium Engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare


Is'nt the DA2 engine a new version of the Eclipse Engine?

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Anathemic wrote...

Ahahaha now you're trolling. I troll better than you.


Considering you're making a luaghing stock of yourself, I think it's safe to say that you're trolling yourself. :D

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hhh89 wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ME2 has a very good graphics on console.


It does, for a console.  :P  The PC textures burn my eyes.


Of course. And as you said ME2 graphics on PC is wonderful. What I meant is that isn't console fault if DA2 isn't graphically outstanding. They could have done this, it they have wanted to.


Well, given that all we've seen for screenshots from DAO are ones that have the PC on medium textures and DX9 (or the console equivilent), I would say that we really can't judge the high textures of other games against what we've seen, since to me that's making an "apples to oranges" comparison.

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wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Ahahaha now you're trolling. I troll better than you.


Considering you're making a luaghing stock of yourself, I think it's safe to say that you're trolling yourself. :D


Buddy you're the only one laughing.

golak wrote...

Is'nt the DA2 engine a new version of the Eclipse Engine?


I don't believe so.

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Anathemic wrote...

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But that's you. Personally, I'm vastly more interested in gameplay and story than graphics (Goldeneye for N64 is still the best first person shooter ever, despite the fact that the graphics were out of date then).

Graphics are cute, but they become irrelevant after several hours of gameplay, mere background noise.


True, but they are still needed as the gaming industry progress.

as slimgrim put it "if they release the same graphics as of now in 2-3 years, it will become a laughing stock"


Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.

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golak wrote...

Riloux wrote...

Lycium Engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare


Is'nt the DA2 engine a new version of the Eclipse Engine?



Updated version not a "new" version. 

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Anathemic wrote...

Buddy you're the only one laughing.


You know it, buddy! :lol:

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Anathemic wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Ahahaha now you're trolling. I troll better than you.


Considering you're making a luaghing stock of yourself, I think it's safe to say that you're trolling yourself. :D


Buddy you're the only one laughing.


No, he isn't. I'm just on BioWare's ****list (for other things) and so can't do so directly.

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wulfsturm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Buddy you're the only one laughing.


You know it, buddy! :lol:



I disagree. I am laughing also.

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ladydesire wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ME2 has a very good graphics on console.


It does, for a console.  :P  The PC textures burn my eyes.


Of course. And as you said ME2 graphics on PC is wonderful. What I meant is that isn't console fault if DA2 isn't graphically outstanding. They could have done this, it they have wanted to.


Well, given that all we've seen for screenshots from DAO are ones that have the PC on medium textures and DX9 (or the console equivilent), I would say that we really can't judge the high textures of other games against what we've seen, since to me that's making an "apples to oranges" comparison.


Do you mean DA2 I suppose? Howewer, I agree with you, we can't judge without see all the features on the max setting on PC. But in the case that DA2 has surpassed ME2 on graphics (though I'm doubtful), I don't see any problem with DA2 graphics.

Anyway, I don't have any problems with DA2 graphics. I'm fine with that.

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falconlord5 wrote...

Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


True, but BioWare did sacrifice some tidbits to improve, as seen on skeleton/bone models:

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slimgrin wrote...



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I don't think they need a new engine to improve the quality of the graphics. Updating and optimizing the current one should be fine.




I can promise you most gamers would disagree. If they release these kind of graphics 2-3 yrs from now, the game will be a laughing stock.






Pretty much this. They cannot continue on this engine, it's done and done. Not that I think DA2 is ugly by any means, but on a technical level, it's definetly a few years behind. Any gamer can see this. If they want to go with a very stylized look, like the Fable series or Borderlands or something, then I'm sure they could pull it off with the current engine. But if they want to compete with the new engines from Obsidian, CD Projekt and especially Bethesda, they need something new. That's just the way it is.

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WTF Tell me you did not just say that, please tell me you did not just say that!I can not stand Lil B and retarded {C}rap songs.

You lose all sane points:bandit:

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falconlord5 wrote...

Graphics are cute, but they become irrelevant after several hours of gameplay, mere background noise.


Despite the frequent justifications of DA2's average visuals on this site, I'd like to point out there is nothing highbrow about poor graphics. Bioware will simply have to upgrade to a new engine if they want DA3 to be taken seriously. The same criticism was leveled at Bethesda for sticking with gamebryo for so damn long and rightly so.

Bioware is a AAA studio owned by a huge and wealthy American company. Their games should deliver on all fronts.

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falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

But that's you. Personally, I'm vastly more interested in gameplay and story than graphics (Goldeneye for N64 is still the best first person shooter ever, despite the fact that the graphics were out of date then).

Graphics are cute, but they become irrelevant after several hours of gameplay, mere background noise.


True, but they are still needed as the gaming industry progress.

as slimgrim put it "if they release the same graphics as of now in 2-3 years, it will become a laughing stock"


Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


DA 3 on a modified CryEngine 3. Make it happen.

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Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


True, but BioWare did sacrifice some tidbits to improve, as seen on skeleton/bone models:

Posted Image

Posted Image


False comparison. The first image is concept art (which always looks better), the second is in-game.

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Catsith wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Noviere wrote...

I don't think they need a new engine to improve the quality of the graphics. Updating and optimizing the current one should be fine.


I can promise you most gamers would disagree. If they release these kind of graphics 2-3 yrs from now, the game will be a laughing stock.


Pretty much this. They cannot continue on this engine, it's done and done. Not that I think DA2 is ugly by any means, but on a technical level, it's definetly a few years behind. Any gamer can see this. If they want to go with a very stylized look, like the Fable series or Borderlands or something, then I'm sure they could pull it off with the current engine. But if they want to compete with the new engines from Obsidian, CD Projekt and especially Bethesda, they need something new. That's just the way it is.



What obsidian is creating their own engine? *shutters* You can see what they did with other people engines, I can't imagine what they can do with their own. 

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slimgrin wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Graphics are cute, but they become irrelevant after several hours of gameplay, mere background noise.


Despite the frequent justifications of DA2's average visuals on this site, I'd like to point out there is nothing highbrow about poor graphics. Bioware will simply have to upgrade to a new engine if they want DA3 to be taken seriously. The same criticism was leveled at Bethesda for sticking with gamebryo for so damn long and rightly so.

Bioware is a AAA studio owned by a huge and wealthy American company. Their games should deliver on all fronts.


Read my post after that one.

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falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


True, but BioWare did sacrifice some tidbits to improve, as seen on skeleton/bone models:

Posted Image

Posted Image


False comparison. The first image is concept art (which always looks better), the second is in-game.


Really thought it was close to in-game representation, oh well:

Posted Image

Modifié par Anathemic, 20 février 2011 - 09:29 .


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Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


True, but BioWare did sacrifice some tidbits to improve, as seen on skeleton/bone models:



False comparison. The first image is concept art (which always looks better), the second is in-game.


Really thought it was close to in-game representation, oh well:


Oh, it is close. Much closer than most concept-to game art, especially on an HD screen/TV (I don't have an HD TV, so everything looks bad). But concept art still looks better than in-game art.

Always. I dunno why, but it does.

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falconlord5 wrote...


False comparison. The first image is concept art (which always looks better), the second is in-game.


Posted Image
 

Modifié par bloodreaperfx, 20 février 2011 - 09:35 .


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falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Granted, but let's look at the graphical upgrade between DAO and DA2, shall we? On the same engine, and it is a massive improvement.

Ergo, I'm not too worried. But BioWare will probably purchase a modified engine for DA3. Let some other poor bastard do the hard work, and then modifiy if for their needs.


True, but BioWare did sacrifice some tidbits to improve, as seen on skeleton/bone models:



False comparison. The first image is concept art (which always looks better), the second is in-game.


Really thought it was close to in-game representation, oh well:


Oh, it is close. Much closer than most concept-to game art, especially on an HD screen/TV (I don't have an HD TV, so everything looks bad). But concept art still looks better than in-game art.

Always. I dunno why, but it does.


Well I replied with a new in-game image for better accuracy

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My guess would be a major upgrade to existing code or using a third-party solution - it seems there will be a lot competition in this area this year. In the end, though, it comes down to budget, and I have a feeling that the actual developers are much more in-tune with what needs to be done for maximum profit than all of us armchair developers here.