It's boggles the mind. Really.Revan312 wrote...
Imagine if CD Projekt had the budget of Rockstar or Infinity Ward, in the range of 90 - 100 million bucks..
imagine what us console players had to endure compared to pc playersRevan312 wrote...
I just have a hard time believing this came from a AAA dev..
I mean.. really? The texture/modeling work for this game seems very spotty imo.. Even for someone like me who just got done playing Arcanum, that's pushing the boundaries of passable graphics in today's age.
wulfsturm wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
Umm I'm putting Crysis 2 on the same level of those 2 PC games, are you paying attention?
Nope, all I'm seeing is fanboyism.
The Witcher 2 and Skyrim are not on the same level as Crysis 2, don't even bother to compare. The CryTek 2 engine makes all other engines looks like little babies in comparison.
Noviere wrote...
It's boggles the mind. Really.Revan312 wrote...
Imagine if CD Projekt had the budget of Rockstar or Infinity Ward, in the range of 90 - 100 million bucks..
I just wish that The Witcher... wasn't about the Witcher.
I like when I have some say in the character I'm playing.
Oh yeah, I get it. The physical customization/gender part is important to me, for some reason. Depsite the fact that Hawke/Shepard are already semi-defined characters, the customization gives me a sense of ownership.Anathemic wrote...
Well granted, you can still mold Geralt (the PC) into the way you want. Basically it's like Hawke except without physical customization/gender.
Anathemic wrote...
stormhit13 wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
What CD Projekt did with the old Aurora Engine was a breakthrough. But the main reason for that was dedication, because well they loved the Witcher universe.
This is pure dedication we are talking about here, working for 3+ days and sleeping in the building for each employee.
Not bashing BioWare on this, but I doubt they can pull that off with DA3, let alone with other 2 franchises to manage.
Yes, Dragon Age could be so much better if Bioware just wanted it more.
You have a promising future in sportscasting.
Isn't that what makes good quality games? When the devs clearly want it to make it the best game they can?
Seriously, what's with the sarcasm in this thread?
Modifié par Captain Sassy Pants, 20 février 2011 - 11:50 .
StokedUp wrote...
wow! DA2 isnt even out and your already talking about a new graphics engine for DA3.
Noviere wrote...
Oh yeah, I get it. The physical customization/gender part is important to me, for some reason. Depsite the fact that Hawke/Shepard are already semi-defined characters, the customization gives me a sense of ownership.Anathemic wrote...
Well granted, you can still mold Geralt (the PC) into the way you want. Basically it's like Hawke except without physical customization/gender.
Mind you, I fully understand why they don't let you customize the PC, what with it being based on a series of books about Geralt. I just lament that.
Geraltine the Witchette just doesn't work, I guess.
Captain Sassy Pants wrote...
You're in the very heart of Bioware fanboy/girl-ism. You're only going to be met with white-knight defenders who unsheath their swords and come rushing at the very hint that someone might be slighting the master.
Bioware is completely above criticism on here, and to cross that line is to be a heretic. Godspeed to you on this quest. You will find no sanity here.
I keep getting crap for suggesting that Bioware patch all of the loose ends and prolems in the last game. Apparently they shouldn't, and we should all just deal with it, or if we use PCs, the community should tidy up their mess, and I should stop "whining" because it is "two years old", completely ignoring the fact that other companies (ie Blizzard, whom I hate) still patch their ten year old games. These people are above and beyond crazy.
Captain Sassy Pants wrote...
You're in the very heart of Bioware fanboy/girl-ism. You're only going to be met with white-knight defenders who unsheath their swords and come rushing at the very hint that someone might be slighting the master.
Bioware is completely above criticism on here, and to cross that line is to be a heretic. Godspeed to you on this quest. You will find no sanity here.
I keep getting crap for suggesting that Bioware patch all of the loose ends and prolems in the last game. Apparently they shouldn't, and we should all just deal with it, or if we use PCs, the community should tidy up their mess, and I should stop "whining" because it is "two years old", completely ignoring the fact that other companies (ie Blizzard, whom I hate) still patch their ten year old games. These people are above and beyond crazy.
Captain Sassy Pants wrote...
You're in the very heart of Bioware fanboy/girl-ism. You're only going to be met with white-knight defenders who unsheath their swords and come rushing at the very hint that someone might be slighting the master.
Bioware is completely above criticism on here, and to cross that line is to be a heretic. Godspeed to you on this quest. You will find no sanity here.
I keep getting crap for suggesting that Bioware patch all of the loose ends and prolems in the last game. Apparently they shouldn't, and we should all just deal with it, or if we use PCs, the community should tidy up their mess, and I should stop "whining" because it is "two years old", completely ignoring the fact that other companies (ie Blizzard, whom I hate) still patch their ten year old games. These people are above and beyond crazy.
Elton John is dead wrote...
Best graphics ever but obviously the gameplay will be gay and slow. Who's to say The Witcher 2 won't be the same? DA2's graphics suits what BW was going for and honestly, I don't see a problem with its graphics, DA2's graphics look better than DA:O's graphics so what's the problem? First you complained about how there was only one race to choose from, then how there was a new artsyle and now you cry over graphics. Just wait till you play the game. Graphics mean nothing if the gameplay sucks and if Witcher is anything to go by - then Witcher 2 will have average gameplay.
Modifié par slimgrin, 21 février 2011 - 12:17 .
Captain Sassy Pants wrote...
You're in the very heart of Bioware fanboy/girl-ism. You're only going to be met with white-knight defenders who unsheath their swords and come rushing at the very hint that someone might be slighting the master.
Bioware is completely above criticism on here, and to cross that line is to be a heretic. Godspeed to you on this quest. You will find no sanity here.
I keep getting crap for suggesting that Bioware patch all of the loose ends and prolems in the last game. Apparently they shouldn't, and we should all just deal with it, or if we use PCs, the community should tidy up their mess, and I should stop "whining" because it is "two years old", completely ignoring the fact that other companies (ie Blizzard, whom I hate) still patch their ten year old games. These people are above and beyond crazy.
Modifié par stormhit13, 21 février 2011 - 12:18 .
Modifié par Akiios, 21 février 2011 - 12:25 .
Revan312 wrote...
Captain Sassy Pants wrote...
You're in the very heart of Bioware fanboy/girl-ism. You're only going to be met with white-knight defenders who unsheath their swords and come rushing at the very hint that someone might be slighting the master.
Bioware is completely above criticism on here, and to cross that line is to be a heretic. Godspeed to you on this quest. You will find no sanity here.
I keep getting crap for suggesting that Bioware patch all of the loose ends and prolems in the last game. Apparently they shouldn't, and we should all just deal with it, or if we use PCs, the community should tidy up their mess, and I should stop "whining" because it is "two years old", completely ignoring the fact that other companies (ie Blizzard, whom I hate) still patch their ten year old games. These people are above and beyond crazy.
Pretty much this ^
Bioware are a bunch of humans, organic carbon life forms that also eat, drink and sleep.. I have no blind loyalty anymore, even for Valve who used to be my A no.1 until they released L4D2 a mere year after the original..
I mean, liking devs is one thing, but when any criticism is leveled at a particular group and the bleeding hearts run in to try and quell any negativity as if such talk is heresy then it's gone faar beyond logic.
The Witcher had an interesting story and characters but horrible english voice over and bland/bad combat gameplay.. I have no problem admitting it. DA:O had great characters, great dialogue that was both funny and clever and gameplay that was tactical and fun.. but it's main story was extremely generic and it looked like a 5 year old game and so does this iteration, on both counts. TW2 is switching the combat up a LOT, but it could still be crap.
People need to stop being fanboys/girls and start objectively assessing the games they discuss because pure squeeling does nothing to make the industry better.. Granted, a bit is fine and in fact I'm sure it helps the devs feel proud and satisfied with their efforts. But leveling no criticism and in fact attacking any is paramount to the group thinking of a mob. The same applies to displaying nothing but criticism.
I can easily admit that the family dynamic, the story structure, the time span and the lore all interest me with DA2, but it seriously looks like it has some problems on quite a few fronts including graphical fidelity, voice over consistency and emotional weight.
I'm sure I'll have just as many qualms with TW2, but the reason they're making such huge changes concerning both gameplay and graphics is because people leveled a lot of criticism their way, which is now making the next installment most likely much better. Criticism and objective assessment make the industry evolve for the better and until people realize that NO game is without faults, it will never evolve at the rate it should.
Modifié par Piecake, 21 février 2011 - 12:29 .
Akiios wrote...
Can't we all just agree to disagree??
Each franchise is done by a whole different studio (yes, BioWare has three studios: Edmonton, Montreal and Austin). And my point was that if CD Projekt did that amazing work with an engine that wasn't of their own, it would be infinite times easier to BioWare to do that with their own engine if they wanted to (as a software developer I know that working with your own code is way easier than working with someone else's, no matter how well written is the documentation).Anathemic wrote...
LTBK wrote...
Exactly. They've added DX11 support, they've optimized texture compression, etc. In my opinion the current engine can last, at least, for another game. It's better if they keep improving their own engine than to throw it to the bin just after two games. Engines aren't something easy and cheap to code, you know?Noviere wrote...
I don't think they need a new engine to improve the quality of the graphics. Updating and optimizing the current one should be fine.
And talking about the Witcher, it reminds me about the graphical improvement that CD Projekt did with the old Aurora engine in their original game. Some people didn't belive that it was the same engine than Neverwinter Nights used. That just shows that, if BioWare wants, they can keep improving the current engine a little more. They're smart enough to build an engine easily extendable when they already knew that they would probably make several DA games.
So, in my opinion, there're some other reasons that explain why they don't push their engine to the limit. Some people have already said that it's better if the game can run in as much hardware as it can, and remeber thay they want to sell as much copies as they can and many many many people don't change their computers just for a single game. Another reason already pointed are consoles and, while they could use different texture sets for PC and consoles, sometimes there's not much that you can do with the assigned money (time = money). I preffer if they throw that money in other areas of the game as long as the graphics aren't terrible, that it's not the case here (they are quite pretty, indeed).
Long story short. While some games excel in graphics, we must take into account that that's not where BioWare's games try to be good at. Resources, profit, and priority in certain areas over some others are things that a developer has to take into account when making a game. But I think that we all can agree that if we are here, and if we love BioWare's games, it's not because of their next gen graphics, right?So they must be doing something well, then.
What CD Projekt did with the old Aurora Engine was a breakthrough. But the main reason for that was dedication, because well they loved the Witcher universe.
This is pure dedication we are talking about here, working for 3+ days and sleeping in the building for each employee.
Not bashing BioWare on this, but I doubt they can pull that off with DA3, let alone with other 2 franchises to manage.
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Zlarm wrote...
I think it's pretty premature to start talking about DA3 but I'm sure BioWare will improve the graphics for any subsequent dragon age game. Personally I think they'd be dumb to completely replace the engine considering they spent years building the thing. I'm sure they can retweak it to improve the visuals, but let's face it the dragon age games are never going to be on the cutting edge of graphics as long as you can control 4 different characters and partake in large scale battles.
As for the Witcher 2 sure it looks a lot better, but you only control one guy. I might be in the minority here but I think the gameplay and tactics opened up by having 4 party members outweighs the fact that it doesn't look as good.
Zlarm wrote...
I think it's pretty premature to start talking about DA3 but I'm sure BioWare will improve the graphics for any subsequent dragon age game. Personally I think they'd be dumb to completely replace the engine considering they spent years building the thing. I'm sure they can retweak it to improve the visuals, but let's face it the dragon age games are never going to be on the cutting edge of graphics as long as you can control 4 different characters and partake in large scale battles.
As for the Witcher 2 sure it looks a lot better, but you only control one guy. I might be in the minority here but I think the gameplay and tactics opened up by having 4 party members outweighs the fact that it doesn't look as good.
Modifié par Revan312, 21 février 2011 - 02:16 .
So why isn't ME more tactical then in having more control over your squadmates? I think one of the devs talked about party based tactical games being more resource intensive and thus couldn't be as graphically as good as FPS or TPS games.Revan312 wrote...
But the engine doesn't dictate anything with gameplay.. There are TW2 and Crysis 2 shots that show a bunch of characters on screen. If anyone wanted to use Cryengine 3 or the RED engine with a party based tactical RPG they could, wouldn't be much harder..
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