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[Shaughn78]

In addition to the CC do we want to look at some scripting systems.

Arkalezth beat me to suggesting wyrin's foragins sytem.



I would be willing to provide the following systems I used with Risen Hero:

-Placed Scrolls: Script provides a random scroll based on players level. There is also a chance to get a blank scroll or a ruined piece of paper. It is a dynamic way to quickly provide scrolls, both divine and arcane) to a party.

-Encounter Sneaking: Allows a party to sneak through encounters. DC and experience reward is based on the main PC's level. Experience increases with each successful sneak while resets with a fail. This is a party wide script so it cycles through the companions/cohorts and they either add bonuses or penalties base on their skills. I will need to rework it a bit as it currently is set for Risen hero companions, but should be easy enough.

-Boulder Toss for Giants: A gaint can generally toss three boulders at an opponent duing a radius damage. I will modify the script and reserve it a line in the spell 2da. Currently it conflicts with some other projects.

-Disarming Traps: It assigns a CR to the trap then gives the appropiate party experience.

-Picking Locks: Gives expierence to the character picking the lock. Experience based on the difference between the lock's DC and player's picklock rank, gives double xp for picking locks in combat since they can't take 20.



-I am looking at creating a slime/ooze area. This will include ooze splitting, armor and weapon disolving, hidden acids dropping from the ceiling, and some new consuables: Ooze Fusing Powder: prevents ooze from splitting for a short duration, Ooze Resistance oil: Provides protection to weapons and armor for a short duration, Ooze Restoration Paste: Removes ooze damage from weapons and armor. (each exposure to a ooze will increase the chances that an item will be destroyed, this resets the exposures).

[Eguintir Eligard]

As for flavor text: yes if we are going to use it everyone will have to put at least some or it wouldn't homogenize as a game. I am in favor. That said I already have a system in place to make the flavor text happen when you click an auto-examine object.

Think of Infinity games if you will?

What happens is you click the item and isntead of the ugly examine window you get instant feed back (and you can set the text color in the placeables variables).

All it is is a script, and using 2 variables on the placeables.

Odds are it will increase the likelihood of anyone reading your descriptions by about 200 times if they are like me. Although that is a scary thought, to have players of that mindset

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aye or nay?

I may just put up a smaple module with some of these ideas I am bringing to better make a choice.
PS Yes to exp for traps/pick locks, I will be using those probably the most of anyone.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 26 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[Shaughn78]

With floating text dialog, I think wyrin did a good job with the bark strings based on skills that would appear in different areas. It give the ccharacters a bit more life as you play the game.



His hidden objects were also a neat little thing. ~hint~hint~

[Arkalezth]

EE: That's nice, but can the float text appear where the object is, not on your character?

XP for traps/locks is always good, as well as for sneaking or for completing quests without combat.

[kamal_]

Arkalezth wrote...

EE: That's nice, but can the float text appear where the object is, not on your character?
XP for traps/locks is always good, as well as for sneaking or for completing quests without combat.

Floating text can appear on whatever you want, so you could assign it to an ipoint

[Eguintir Eligard]

Ya I already went through that rigamaroll and the float text just wasnt working at the source but ya, if you want to improve it to that ideal state, I can re-dig up that thread.



I just know a lot of you like your description text and i cant stand the examine window.



Further to the general vfx use; anyone who needs a new vfx can contact me if they dont know how to do them. Even if its something minor like a stock vfx but with different parameters (maybe you want it more dense, moving quicker etc) just let me know. Vfx are pretty much zero size, no 2das, and take little to no time. Only caveat is if you want it to be an image (like a ghostly wolf head) you provide the image.

[The Fred]

Shaughn78 wrote...
-Disarming Traps: It assigns a CR to the trap then gives the appropiate party experience.
-Picking Locks: Gives expierence to the character picking the lock. Experience based on the difference between the lock's DC and player's picklock rank, gives double xp for picking locks in combat since they can't take 20.

This is something which sounds pretty cool. However, again, I think consistency is key, here particularly. If I get XP for disarming a DC 22 trap in an ooze cave but then don't for disarming, during battle, a DC 35 trap later on, it seems messed up (which is because it is). We'd need to agree on a standard XP rate, distribute the scripts (so that everyone has the same version, for better or worse), and then all use them.

To come back to the point about facelifts and things (whether new item models, spell visuals etc) I'd actually err on the side of not including such things. The reason being is that players can install override-based packs of these things if they want them, without us forcing longer download times and greater disk space usage on people. Really, I think the general rule should be that cosmetic override packs should be kept separate from modules. Obviously, this does not apply to modifications which actually change how we build things (e.g. certain UI changes etc).

[Shaughn78]

The Fred wrote...

Shaughn78 wrote...
-Disarming Traps: It assigns a CR to the trap then gives the appropiate party experience.
-Picking Locks: Gives expierence to the character picking the lock. Experience based on the difference between the lock's DC and player's picklock rank, gives double xp for picking locks in combat since they can't take 20.

This is something which sounds pretty cool. However, again, I think consistency is key, here particularly. If I get XP for disarming a DC 22 trap in an ooze cave but then don't for disarming, during battle, a DC 35 trap later on, it seems messed up (which is because it is). We'd need to agree on a standard XP rate, distribute the scripts (so that everyone has the same version, for better or worse), and then all use them.

I putting these scripts systems out as a suggestion. They would need to be a campaign resource with the appropiate blueprints. There would be campaign traps and doors that builders would use instead of global blueprints. If any of these sound like something we would want to include they would need to be added to the campaign folder or master HAK so they would be avaliable to all the modules. Some like xp rewards for traps and picking would need to be universal others can be module specific and still maintain constist game play.

[WyrinDnjargo]

There's built in go_xp_trap/lock scripts so we could just say everyone uses them



more than happy to carve out the WPM scripts if people want - fairly basic stuff to design/use, as EE's pointed out





I do agree tho that it'd be better for all these things to be used in everyone's content, to maintain the right 'feel' accross the campaign. That goes for any subsystems we want to implement

[Eguintir Eligard]

How is a UI tweak and 2 KBs of vfx going to affect their disk size? That wouldn't even be the case in 1983.

People are making assumptions about my offers: that it is taking time away from area development, that it takes up size. Neither of these are true, its just a case of yes or no. They are already made and they take up no space.

I will put off the UI discussion as I think using the float text examine method solves any issues I had. 

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 26 février 2011 - 06:55 .

[MokahTGS]

 As far as scripting systems my suggestions are below.  I'm assuming these are systems that are used campaign wide, and not just things that a per module.

• Scripted Lighting System Version 2 (SLS2)
• NESS 2.2 for NWN2 (Neshke's Extendable Spawning System)
• Markshire Climbing System
• Markshire Explosive Barrels
• Uncle FB's NPC control

As far as a harvesting system, I personally like Wyrin's Foraging System but I felt very limited in the models used for the plants you could forage.  In Jabberwocky I'm using his system on the OM, but have subsituted a lot of the models for unique ones found in the NWN2 Foliage Pack 3.  I know these are more placeables, but a quality product means a little more bang for buck.

On CC and the amount of it:  This is a big module.  Any way you look at it it's going to be large.  There is an OM, and many smaller modules making a big project.  The amount of CC to download is something that will be proportional.  I have pushed for this many many many times before, but maybe this project could be the catalyst for it actuually sticking.  This is now the 3rd community project that has happened in NWN2 history.  Community made modules are fun, well recieved and an easy way for authors to get stuff out quickly as the individual work loads are less.  More bang for buck.

There should be a standard CC package that is used for community projects like this.  I'm not talking about a CEP or 3C type package.  I mean a central master 2DA package that allows all authors that come on board this or future projects to just drag and drop what they need.  But as CW has stated, this is it's own thread...
 

[kamal_]

MokahTGS wrote...
As far as a harvesting system, I personally like Wyrin's Foraging System but I felt very limited in the models used for the plants you could forage.
 

I'm going to be doing bad, bad things to the foraging system for Crimmor... 

[Shallina]

And for the community campaign Kamal, what nasty thing are you planning ?

[Eguintir Eligard]

On CC and the amount of it:  This is a big module.  Any way you look at
it it's going to be large.  There is an OM, and many smaller modules
making a big project.  The amount of CC to download is something that
will be proportional.

Ya. Cutting someone off because it would make the hak 1.2 GB instead of 1.1 is a little bit of penny wise and pound foolish.  Much beyond a couple hundred MB the dial up crowd is pretty much taking a pass anyway, so why sweat over 2 more minutes of DSL/Cable bandwidth.

[kamal_]

Shallina wrote...

And for the community campaign Kamal, what nasty thing are you planning ?

[Shaughn78]

The reason I suggested using custom disarm and pick lock scripts is that while there is default scripts they are very lacking. They are static scripts and do not reflect the character's abilities or the danger in failure.

For traps the xp reward is only based on the DC of a trap. Why should a minor spike trap and a deadly electrical trap give the same experience reward if their DC is the same. There is much less danger or consequences for failing and triggering the spike trap when compared to the electrical trap. Also whay should a level 2 character recieve the same experience as a level 10 character for disarming the same trap. The level 2 takes much more of a risk with damage to hitpoint ratio and with significantly less avaliable skill points.
The same goes for lock picking. A character who is a master lock picker should recieve less xp for picking the same lock as a novice.
The player is rewarded for fighting and defeating more powerful monsters and recieves a smaller experience reward for defeating effortless critters. I feel that traps and locks should follow that same dynamic reward system.

Modifié par Shaughn78, 26 février 2011 - 10:23 .

[nicethugbert]

WyrinDnjargo wrote...
What are people's thoughts on flavour text triggers, skill check triggers, hidden item triggers?

NEAT!

[Shaughn78]

CW once we have our way to upload stuff I can provide the pick locka dn trap scripts I have been using.

[MokahTGS]

Chaos Wielder wrote...

You could just email me the scripts now. It's not a problem, really. We might be waiting a little bit for the fully compatible placeables 2da, so I certainly have time for checking them out.

Didn't you see the one I linked?

[WyrinDnjargo]

Why should a minor spike trap and a deadly electrical trap give the same experience reward if their DC is the same

I'd ask, why have they got the same DC...
I do see your point more generally, but I'm less bothered about the XP/DC in the core scripts - and am fine just scaling DC to the party level - but that's just horses for courses.

I've emailed CW my (now modified) WPM core scripts.

If anyone wants them for their own project outside of this - you can download the erf here.

It includes the most common systems I found myself using in WPM
- recovering useable items from traps on disarm e.g. arrows
- secret door/passageways
- hidden objects
- skill/class-based barkstrings
- track checks
- rough terrain triggers
- summoning NPC animal companions
- cursed items

[The Fred]

Eguintir Eligard wrote...
Ya. Cutting someone off because it would make the hak 1.2 GB instead of 1.1 is a little bit of penny wise and pound foolish.

I wouldn't suggest cutting someone off, but with things like purely cosmetic UI changes and visuals, my issue is that they are optional extras so that tiny increase in size is an increase that we don't need, and it all adds up. A GB sized download is pretty humungous for everyone without super-fast download speeds. What if someone has already downloaded these packs and has to download them twice? What if someone has different overrides of the same type (there are plenty of UI mods on the Vault, for example) and doesn't want to use these? What if they just prefer the old standard ones? Yet if people do want these things, they can get them separately.

So, my inclination is to let people use whatever stuff they want, but beyond that, pare everything down to the minimum, or use full packs which are already available (so that, in the same way the CEP could be used across modules, people needn't download the same stuff twice).