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[sporeian]

Why? I've been catching alot of it lately.

[Iakus]

I guess some think they're not Xtreme enough or something.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Do you mean Ash and Kaidan in general or what happened on Horizon?

[Rogue Unit]

Most people find Kaidan boring and think Ashley is a racist. Of course there are various other reasons they get hated on, but those are the most common.

Horizon didn't help either.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 21 février 2011 - 10:56 .

[sporeian]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Do you mean Ash and Kaidan in general or what happened on Horizon?

I think we all kinda agree Horizon sucked.

I was talking more in the general sense. Alot people want the new ME2 DLC to have them killed.

[Iakus]

Horizion was atrocious. 

But Ashley is not racist.  She's suspicious, cynical, independant.  But not racist.

And Kaiden was no more boring than Jack.  Or Thane.  And a better dresser, btw

[grievous04]

iakus wrote...

Horizion was atrocious. 

But Ashley is not racist.  She's suspicious, cynical, independant.  But not racist.

And Kaiden was no more boring than Jack.  Or Thane.  And a better dresser, btw

Better dresser? He wore what you gave him, lol.

[mothertongue]

Wasn't Ashley crapping on about loving god and not trusting alien races in ME1? Then there were the logs @ Normandy crash site. Racist, insular, belief-oriented imho. Perfect soldier

Modifié par mothertongue, 21 février 2011 - 11:17 .

[Sajuro]

Because (for me) Virmire was never that big choice, part of me wanted to leave them both if I could since I liked neither one.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

In the meantime OP, you shouldn't really worry, all the squaddies get hate; whether it be...



Ash: Racist

Kaidan: Boring

Liara: Easy

Garrus: Angsty

Tali: Effeminate

Wrex: Mean

Miranda: Big Headed

Jacob: Super Boring

Jack: Uneffeminate

Thane: Emo

Grunt: Immature

Zaeed: Mean

Samara: Emotionless

Morinth: Mean

Kasumi: ...Actually everybody likes Kasumi

Legion: ...everybody likes Legion too

Mordin: ...same



The real point is that they all have positives.

[Sylvianus]

@Sporeian.

It is especially important perspective, this is only appearance. Everyone does not feel the need to scream in every topic the same thing.

There are no more hate than there is love. But we can see just who are the loudest, must feel the need to make their voices heard, often provocative, because they feel that their opinion does not prevail can be finally

Because they feel that many people would return to Kaidan / Ashley, they shout louder, they are ready for more attention. It's a human reaction.

Pay no attention to the reactions of bsn forumer x)

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 février 2011 - 11:38 .

[grievous04]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

In the meantime OP, you shouldn't really worry, all the squaddies get hate; whether it be...

Ash: Racist
Kaidan: Boring
Liara: Easy
Garrus: Angsty
Tali: Effeminate
Wrex: Mean
Miranda: Big Headed
Jacob: Super Boring
Jack: Uneffeminate
Thane: Emo
Grunt: Immature
Zaeed: Mean
Samara: Emotionless
Morinth: Mean
Kasumi: ...Actually everybody likes Kasumi
Legion: ...everybody likes Legion too
Mordin: ...same

The real point is that they all have positives.

I hate Kasumi. There, a huge hole was poked in your logic. Good day.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Liara: Easy

Is that a criticism?

[jbblue05]

Humans are held to a higher standard than aliens.  So people point out their flaws while overlooking the aliens flaws

If you check the polls about favorite characters aliens are liked a lot more than humans.

Plus the VS life doesn't revolve around Shepard and they don't hero worship Shepard.  I find them less annoying than other characters 

[Whatever42]

Just people trolling other people. VS fans need to take a page from the much maligned Talimancers and not rise to the bait.

[AkiKishi]

Twice as much work for half as much return. Really not worth the effort as they are not exceptional characters and not worth that price.

[The Meganekko]

I never really liked them or hated them in ME1 but after Horizon i wish i had left both of them on Virmire.

[JasonShepard]

mothertongue wrote...

Wasn't Ashley crapping on about loving god and not trusting alien races in ME1? Then there were the logs @ Normandy crash site. Racist, insular, belief-oriented imho. Perfect soldier

So that V-Rex doesn't have to do his thing...

In ME1, Ashley only really brought up her belief in God once. There were at most two other times when it got mentioned, but she certainly didn't "keep going on" about it.

As for not trusting aliens - that doesn't make her racist, just cautious. As someone who lives in England, I don't expect the American Government to have my interests at heart, so I can't blame her for mistrusting some interstellar space aliens that made first contact - violently - less than a century ago.

And the logs at the Normandy Crash site were Pressly's logs, not Ashley's. And even in that context, Pressley changed his mind. You can see the same thing happen to Ashley in ME1, if you talk to her often enough.

In short - I don't mind you having a different opinion on a character. The world would be an incredibly boring place if everyone had the same opinion. But please get your facts straight.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

mothertongue wrote...

Wasn't Ashley crapping on about loving god and not trusting alien races in ME1? Then there were the logs @ Normandy crash site. Racist, insular, belief-oriented imho. Perfect soldier

Actually, those logs were for Pressley.

Ashley does have issues trusting others, much like some people don't trust someone from another nation. She's had bad history with aliens and never allowed to work with them due to Allience brass stupidity over her family history. As for her religious beliefs, I fail to see how it has any remote baring to things, she mentions it once (beyond the typical 'oh god's that almost everyone does several times) and it's never brought up again, regardless how you respond to it.

Kaidan was the one I could never form a connection to. I never had any problem leaving him on Virmire beyond not liking having no choice in leaving someone behind.

[AkiKishi]

JasonShepard wrote...

In short - I don't mind you having a different opinion on a character. The world would be an incredibly boring place if everyone had the same opinion. But please get your facts straight.

That's not the primary reason though. If you do A/K stuff you have to do it twice and you only get half of the return.
What was LotSB ? Hour and a half ? If they did something similiar for A/K it would be 45 minutes. And cost more.

[ADLegend21]

most likely it's because they are the same species as Shepard. people called Kaidan a whiner, yet garrus whines through me1 and me2 and the majority of femsheps throw their fatigues and Kasumi heist dresses at him cuz he's a turian. Ashley's called a racist for being wary of Wrex and Garrus, yet Tali spouts nothing but Geth hate until Legion shows up (then she actively shoots at him if you bring him to haestrom) yet it's all hail Tali she's teh aethummmmms! they're held to unfair standards.

[JasonShepard]

BobSmith101 wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

In short - I don't mind you having a different opinion on a character. The world would be an incredibly boring place if everyone had the same opinion. But please get your facts straight.

That's not the primary reason though. If you do A/K stuff you have to do it twice and you only get half of the return.
What was LotSB ? Hour and a half ? If they did something similiar for A/K it would be 45 minutes. And cost more.

Not necessarily, but this isn't really the place to talk about that. We've covered it on the A/K DLC thread.

In short - cutscenes, dialogue, reactions would all (ideally) be different. The context of each would be the same, but it's two different characters in the same situation.

As for the mission - which makes up most of the DLC - no real reason to change environments, mission structure, anything like that.

The main time-sink would be making sure that they both worked as squadmates for the DLC, since they'd have different powers. But that would take up development time, and yes, money, but not too much DLC memory.

Are they more awkward to work around dev-wise? Yes. Are they too difficult to handle? That's for Bioware to decide. Would we like to have them back? That's for us to decide. And personally - yes, I would like Ashley and Kaidan to make a return.

[AkiKishi]

JasonShepard wrote...

Not necessarily, but this isn't really the place to talk about that. We've covered it on the A/K DLC thread.

In short - cutscenes, dialogue, reactions would all (ideally) be different. The context of each would be the same, but it's two different characters in the same situation.

As for the mission - which makes up most of the DLC - no real reason to change environments, mission structure, anything like that.

The main time-sink would be making sure that they both worked as squadmates for the DLC, since they'd have different powers. But that would take up development time, and yes, money, but not too much DLC memory.

Are they more awkward to work around dev-wise? Yes. Are they too difficult to handle? That's for Bioware to decide. Would we like to have them back? That's for us to decide. And personally - yes, I would like Ashley and Kaidan to make a return.

Last time I posted something against popular opnion in there I got banned.

You must be really desperate if you want the Horizon clones back.

It would also mean half the time as well since you would have to make the overall mission shorter. For anyone not a "fan" that would be unacceptable. Not only would they use more money making it, in the end all they would create what was a "fan piece".

Other obvious stuff like the cost of 2 VA's etc.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 22 février 2011 - 12:07 .

[Iakus]

BobSmith101 wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

In short - I don't mind you having a different opinion on a character. The world would be an incredibly boring place if everyone had the same opinion. But please get your facts straight.

That's not the primary reason though. If you do A/K stuff you have to do it twice and you only get half of the return.
What was LotSB ? Hour and a half ? If they did something similiar for A/K it would be 45 minutes. And cost more.

That depends.  You you have ME 1 imports with Ashley alive, and imports with Kaiden alive?

Mass Effect:  Origins!

[JasonShepard]

BobSmith101 wrote...

You must be really desperate if you want the Horizon clones back.

I don't want the Horizon clones back, I want the ME1 characters back. I just don't mind if they find themselves in the same situation.

But nonetheless, I see your points. I agree that a VS DLC would be more expensive than a DLC that didn't involve them. And there would be a bit of a hit to the memory - ie size of the DLC. I'm just hoping that Bioware finds a way to work around those issues.

And yeah, I'm aware that the VS's popularity isn't exactly through the roof. But hey, I'm an optimist. Even when it hurts.