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[xboxlivegamer]

Cause horizon left a bad taste in my mouth. Though at least Alenko was much more bearable durin that meeting on horizon.

Though I can understand why they would say what they did it's really confusing as to why they wouldn't at least say "maybe you're right but I need proof" instead they acted immature, turning everything you said around and using against you. I don't see why they can't at least place a little trust in you, afterall they did believe you about the reapers when the only evidence you had was a vision that only you saw.

Also people seem to be making some weird claims with Garrus, Tali and the others. Garrus was a lone sniper about to get tanked by 3 mercenary groups and an old friend came to help him. I don't know about you but I wouldnt really be very picky about whatever help I get at that point.

[Naltair]

I don't know why but Horizon didn't really scar me like it did most people here. I guess for me I understood it had been TWO years, Shepard was dead, and the first they hear about him/her he/she is working for Cerberus a group that in part 1 was responsible for some seriously evil projects.

Not much of a stretch to feel betrayal, it sucked but it was understandable.

I like both characters, Ashley more so then Kaidan by far.  Ashley had spunk and was not afraid to speak her mind.

Modifié par Naltair, 19 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[Il Divo]

In Exile wrote...

They're career soldiers, and largely well adjusted. They're as interesting as a normal, well-adjusted tax accountant.

This, times a million. The weakness of characters like Ashley and Kaidan is that in attempting to make them feel 'human', they lost all intrigue.

Ex: Neither character has a mission dedicated to their back story.

Compare Carth to Kaidan (the most obvious example). Carth has an extremely detailed back story, but most importantly: it's not finished. The game foreshadows the fact that Carth wants to kill Saul Karath, which builds intrigue. Kaidan may be 'less whiny', but I thought he was an inferior character to Mr. Onasi.

[Akizora]

I found it funny how suspicious and pro-human Ashley was in the first Mass Effect and now she's "You're with...Cerebrus?!" and she goes all ape on me even when I tell her I don't work for them, I just need them. She of all people should have realized what danger the reapers pose to the galaxy and when the council, alliance and all other races ignore the threat, they become a necessary evil.

So all in all, whatever she may have been at one point - it was all ruined for me in a brief moment/conversation on Horizon. It's incredible how just one encounter with a character can ruin my positive opinion of them from the previous game, heck even Garrus commented on how she can't see straight when it comes to Cerebrus.

So yeah I do hope they come back somehow, but I don't want them in my party again...Not for ME3, no thank you. I don't need someone who abandons me because they're incapable of listening.

[keboo]

Well, she does apologize. :3

[Akizora]

keboo wrote...

Well, she does apologize. :3

Only if you romanced her in ME1, otherwise - nothing.

[PMC65]

Cerebus is to the Alliance what the Geth are to the Quarians. It does not surprise me that the VS lose their way momentarily when they see Shep with the "geth".
If I were the VS I would even wonder if Shepard is really the Shepard and not some kind of clone. After all, Shep was stir fried in space. Who comes back from that? And given that it is Cerebus that brings Shepard back ... would the "bring Shep back as he/she was" sound like Cerebus? Control chip in head, yes. Same morals, no.
If the VS was your LI then there is another ugly layer of "where have you been?" They do not know that you were sleeping/dead for the bulk of the time and it may have not really registered if you said "sleeping for two years." I can hear Ash responding, "Sleeping my ass! What's her name Skipper?" God forbid if you have Miranda with you on Horizon. I could just see the look on Ash's face then. Better not to mention that while Ash was grieving over you, you laid naked on a table with Miranda fondling you.
I always felt that the VS after having a "cooling down" period realized that what Shep was saying was true, regretted their moment of anger and that their report back to the Alliance was in Shep's favor, report did confirm that Collector's were behind the abductions as stated by Anderson if you see him after Horizon.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

PMC65 wrote...

Cerebus is to the Alliance what the Geth are to the Quarians. It does not surprise me that the VS lose their way momentarily when they see Shep with the "geth".
If I were the VS I would even wonder if Shepard is really the Shepard and not some kind of clone. After all, Shep was stir fried in space. Who comes back from that? And given that it is Cerebus that brings Shepard back ... would the "bring Shep back as he/she was" sound like Cerebus? Control chip in head, yes. Same morals, no.
If the VS was your LI then there is another ugly layer of "where have you been?" They do not know that you were sleeping/dead for the bulk of the time and it may have not really registered if you said "sleeping for two years." I can hear Ash responding, "Sleeping my ass! What's her name Skipper?" God forbid if you have Miranda with you on Horizon. I could just see the look on Ash's face then. Better not to mention that while Ash was grieving over you, you laid naked on a table with Miranda fondling you.
I always felt that the VS after having a "cooling down" period realized that what Shep was saying was true, regretted their moment of anger and that their report back to the Alliance was in Shep's favor, report did confirm that Collector's were behind the abductions as stated by Anderson if you see him after Horizon.

Honestly, the fact that I have Garrus with me on Horizon, (even if he is going to be my LI later on, we didn't have anything going yet!) should at least give Kaidan pause. Ok, I'm working for Cerberus, but our old pal Garrus has come along, so how deep in could I be? I also have a former member of Salarian Special Tasks with me, obviously I haven't become some crazy pro-human terrorist. Even if he doesn't know who Mordin is, the fact that I'm palling around with council-race aliens should be pretty strong evidence that I'm not your usual Cerberus.

At the very least, at the end of the conversation, the VS could say something like this: "Hey, if you ever need any help getting away from Cerberus, let me know, I'll do everything I can do help. I don't know what you're up to, but I'll try to trust you - I just can't be a part of it." 

Easy.

[CroGamer002]

[PMC65]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Cerebus is to the Alliance what the Geth are to the Quarians. It does not surprise me that the VS lose their way momentarily when they see Shep with the "geth".
If I were the VS I would even wonder if Shepard is really the Shepard and not some kind of clone. After all, Shep was stir fried in space. Who comes back from that? And given that it is Cerebus that brings Shepard back ... would the "bring Shep back as he/she was" sound like Cerebus? Control chip in head, yes. Same morals, no.
If the VS was your LI then there is another ugly layer of "where have you been?" They do not know that you were sleeping/dead for the bulk of the time and it may have not really registered if you said "sleeping for two years." I can hear Ash responding, "Sleeping my ass! What's her name Skipper?" God forbid if you have Miranda with you on Horizon. I could just see the look on Ash's face then. Better not to mention that while Ash was grieving over you, you laid naked on a table with Miranda fondling you.
I always felt that the VS after having a "cooling down" period realized that what Shep was saying was true, regretted their moment of anger and that their report back to the Alliance was in Shep's favor, report did confirm that Collector's were behind the abductions as stated by Anderson if you see him after Horizon.

Honestly, the fact that I have Garrus with me on Horizon, (even if he is going to be my LI later on, we didn't have anything going yet!) should at least give Kaidan pause. Ok, I'm working for Cerberus, but our old pal Garrus has come along, so how deep in could I be? I also have a former member of Salarian Special Tasks with me, obviously I haven't become some crazy pro-human terrorist. Even if he doesn't know who Mordin is, the fact that I'm palling around with council-race aliens should be pretty strong evidence that I'm not your usual Cerberus.

At the very least, at the end of the conversation, the VS could say something like this: "Hey, if you ever need any help getting away from Cerberus, let me know, I'll do everything I can do help. I don't know what you're up to, but I'll try to trust you - I just can't be a part of it." 

Easy.

I just feel that the division between Cerebus & the Alliance is so big (think Extreme Right Republicans & Extreme Left Democrats) that the VS loses their common sense momentarily ... add a love twist (grief) in the mix and we are talking a Molotov cocktail. 

[CulturalGeekGirl]

PMC65 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Cerebus is to the Alliance what the Geth are to the Quarians. It does not surprise me that the VS lose their way momentarily when they see Shep with the "geth".
If I were the VS I would even wonder if Shepard is really the Shepard and not some kind of clone. After all, Shep was stir fried in space. Who comes back from that? And given that it is Cerebus that brings Shepard back ... would the "bring Shep back as he/she was" sound like Cerebus? Control chip in head, yes. Same morals, no.
If the VS was your LI then there is another ugly layer of "where have you been?" They do not know that you were sleeping/dead for the bulk of the time and it may have not really registered if you said "sleeping for two years." I can hear Ash responding, "Sleeping my ass! What's her name Skipper?" God forbid if you have Miranda with you on Horizon. I could just see the look on Ash's face then. Better not to mention that while Ash was grieving over you, you laid naked on a table with Miranda fondling you.
I always felt that the VS after having a "cooling down" period realized that what Shep was saying was true, regretted their moment of anger and that their report back to the Alliance was in Shep's favor, report did confirm that Collector's were behind the abductions as stated by Anderson if you see him after Horizon.

Honestly, the fact that I have Garrus with me on Horizon, (even if he is going to be my LI later on, we didn't have anything going yet!) should at least give Kaidan pause. Ok, I'm working for Cerberus, but our old pal Garrus has come along, so how deep in could I be? I also have a former member of Salarian Special Tasks with me, obviously I haven't become some crazy pro-human terrorist. Even if he doesn't know who Mordin is, the fact that I'm palling around with council-race aliens should be pretty strong evidence that I'm not your usual Cerberus.

At the very least, at the end of the conversation, the VS could say something like this: "Hey, if you ever need any help getting away from Cerberus, let me know, I'll do everything I can do help. I don't know what you're up to, but I'll try to trust you - I just can't be a part of it." 

Easy.

I just feel that the division between Cerebus & the Alliance is so big (think Extreme Right Republicans & Extreme Left Democrats) that the VS loses their common sense momentarily ... add a love twist (grief) in the mix and we are talking a Molotov cocktail. 

I agree, but that just reinforces my feeling that Garrus is a better friend than the VS. He's willing to work for a group that actively wants his race to lose all relevance in the galaxy, and probably be reduced to a marginal role, and he's cool with it because he trusts you as a leader.

Hell, he explicitly says: "I heard a lot of horrible things about the organization you're working for. This makes me worried about you." 

I can understand the VS's reaction on some level, but it becomes harder to rationalize when you contrast it with Garrus and even Tali. Tali's also in love with you (sometimes), and she's willing to put aside the Cerberus connection, not be blinded by it.

[Almostfaceman]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I agree, but that just reinforces my feeling that Garrus is a better friend than the VS. He's willing to work for a group that actively wants his race to lose all relevance in the galaxy, and probably be reduced to a marginal role, and he's cool with it because he trusts you as a leader.

Hell, he explicitly says: "I heard a lot of horrible things about the organization you're working for. This makes me worried about you." 

I can understand the VS's reaction on some level, but it becomes harder to rationalize when you contrast it with Garrus and even Tali. Tali's also in love with you (sometimes), and she's willing to put aside the Cerberus connection, not be blinded by it.

I think the writing on Horizon is a disservice to both Shepard and the VS.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 07 avril 2011 - 10:06 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I agree, but that just reinforces my feeling that Garrus is a better friend than the VS. He's willing to work for a group that actively wants his race to lose all relevance in the galaxy, and probably be reduced to a marginal role, and he's cool with it because he trusts you as a leader.

Hell, he explicitly says: "I heard a lot of horrible things about the organization you're working for. This makes me worried about you." 

I can understand the VS's reaction on some level, but it becomes harder to rationalize when you contrast it with Garrus and even Tali. Tali's also in love with you (sometimes), and she's willing to put aside the Cerberus connection, not be blinded by it.

I think the writing on Horizon is a disservice to both Shepard and the VS.

I agree, but I like this topic, so I always post in these threads, bringing up the same stuff, refining my theories. Actually, I have come to terms with Horizon a bit. In some ways it's the epitome of that time you run into your ex and you say all the wrong things. I'm more upset with Shepard's lack of explanation options than with Kaidan's eventual reaction.

I also think that Kaidan's probably still kicking himself over that wussy email he wrote. "Well, the woman you love has gone off to probably die again, and the best you could say was 'maybe... I don't know?' Stupid stupid stupid. I could send a follow up email, but no that would just seem desperate. Damnit. Why did I hit send!" 

Ash's email is a lot less dumb, and I imagine she isn't stressing over it as much. I will be annoyed if both characters have the exact same reaction to any reunion in ME3. They are very different people, and what happened should affect them differently.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 07 avril 2011 - 10:21 .

[Iakus]

Almostfaceman wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I agree, but that just reinforces my feeling that Garrus is a better friend than the VS. He's willing to work for a group that actively wants his race to lose all relevance in the galaxy, and probably be reduced to a marginal role, and he's cool with it because he trusts you as a leader.

Hell, he explicitly says: "I heard a lot of horrible things about the organization you're working for. This makes me worried about you." 

I can understand the VS's reaction on some level, but it becomes harder to rationalize when you contrast it with Garrus and even Tali. Tali's also in love with you (sometimes), and she's willing to put aside the Cerberus connection, not be blinded by it.

I think the writing on Horizon is a disservice to both Shepard and the VS.

This.

It's why I kinda wished we ran into the VS and some Alliance marines on Freedom's Progress rather than Tali.  Her reaction there was far more what I'd have expected from Ashley/Kaidan

[Almostfaceman]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I agree, but that just reinforces my feeling that Garrus is a better friend than the VS. He's willing to work for a group that actively wants his race to lose all relevance in the galaxy, and probably be reduced to a marginal role, and he's cool with it because he trusts you as a leader.

Hell, he explicitly says: "I heard a lot of horrible things about the organization you're working for. This makes me worried about you." 

I can understand the VS's reaction on some level, but it becomes harder to rationalize when you contrast it with Garrus and even Tali. Tali's also in love with you (sometimes), and she's willing to put aside the Cerberus connection, not be blinded by it.

I think the writing on Horizon is a disservice to both Shepard and the VS.

I agree, but I like this topic, so I always post in these threads, bringing up the same stuff, refining my theories. Actually, I have come to terms with Horizon a bit. In some ways it's the epitome of that time you run into your ex and you say all the wrong things. I'm more upset with Shepard's lack of explanation options than with Kaidan's eventual reaction.

I also think that Kaidan's probably still kicking himself over that wussy email he wrote. "Well, the woman you love has gone off to probably die again, and the best you could say was 'maybe... I don't know?' Stupid stupid stupid. I could send a follow up email, but no that would just seem desperate. Damnit. Why did I hit send!" 

Ash's email is a lot less dumb, and I imagine she isn't stressing over it as much. I will be annoyed if both characters have the exact same reaction to any reunion in ME3. They are very different people, and what happened should affect them differently.

It's cool I wasn't trying to shut you down, I wrote a lot about this in the "Remember the time Smudboy..." thread and haven't really come up with the energy to repeat all that, lol.  Iakus has one alternative (posted below mine) and I say they should have just come up in time to see Shepard fly off - leaving the VS full of questions to ask in ME3...  but that's just my two cents.

[silverignika]

I think Kaidan is actually kinda cool. Certainly not as boring as Jacob.

As for Ashley, I do get annoyed with her snarky, impulsive nature. I don't know, something about her rubs me the wrong way. I was especially annoyed by the fact that if you talk to her just a few times, she would automatically start hitting on you (for a ManShep). I'd assume the same problem is probably annoying for FemSheps who don't like Kaidan. At least with Liara you can say you're not interested, but with the VS, it's very difficult to reject them.

I didn't have a problem with Ashley's Christianity... you can believe anything you want, it's in the Alliance charters.
However, she was pretty arrogant about it in one particular conversation. She said something like, "A lot of people I've met have been weirded out by my faith. Like, if I work in space, I can't believe in God? Hello, how can you possibly look out a window and not believe in... something?!" Paraphrased, of course, but as an atheist who loves space, it sounded pompous. Like some kind of pity for those who don't agree with her. I don't know, I didn't like it.

Then again, she was pretty arrogant in general.

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Modifié par silverignika, 07 avril 2011 - 11:55 .

[Iakus]

silverignika wrote...
I didn't have a problem with Ashley's Christianity... you can believe anything you want, it's in the Alliance charters.
However, she was pretty arrogant about it in one particular conversation. She said something like, "A lot of people I've met have been weirded out by my faith. Like, if I work in space, I can't believe in God? Hello, how can you possibly look out a window and not believe in... something?!" Paraphrased, of course, but as an atheist who loves space, it sounded pompous. Like some kind of pity for those who don't agree with her. I don't know, I didn't like it.

Then again, she was pretty arrogant in general.

I thought she only gave that line if Shepard states that he's religous too.  Give the "whatever" line and she doesn't say that.

Also, she only says she believes in "God" not which one, so she's not necessarilly Christian.  I for one think it would be no end to hilarious if ti turns out she worships Apollo or something. 

If people get "weirded out" about her religion, it would only make sense that she would be defensive about it, wouldn't it? 

[Labrev]

Because of the gross mistrust of someone who was once close to me, and especially since I thought that person was sensible.

Seriously: Garrus, Chakwas, Hackett, and Anderson all trust my judgement. Even Tali, who has personal reason to hate Cerberus, they all get it. Whatever they may think of Cerberus, they trust my judgement. Why Kaidan can't is retarded. And he can't apologize to me unless I'm a girl that romanced him. So much for bros before hoes.


My dialogue with him is pretty much this:

K: *hand* I thought you were dead, we all did...
S: *handshake* Been to long, how're you doing bro?
K: ... that's all you have to say??? I'D HAVE WENT ANYWHERE WITH YOU I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO CONTACT ME???
S: ... I was dead or in a coma. Cerberus just rebuilt me. (FWIW, I did ask about him before when I saw Anderson)
K: *steps back, glares* you're with Cerberus now. I can't believe the reports were right!
Mordin: Reports? You, already knew?
K: I got a tip..... blah blah blah. Anderson. blah blah WHY DID YOU DO IT??? YOU TURNED YOUR BACK ON EVERYTHING YOU STOOD FOR!
S: This isn't about me with Cerberus, idiot. The Collectors did this.
K: Yeah, well, what if they are manipulating you?
Mordin: Hung up on Cerberus, not seeing real enemy.
S: You obviously won't listen to reason.
K: REASON??????

Oh yeah, and Jack calls Delan a "little sh*t" ... which is awesome because he's my least favorite NPC in the whole series.

[Tazzmission]

sporeian wrote...

Why? I've been catching alot of it lately.

i found the vs boring, they dont have a back story i can enjoy at all. thats why i still believe mass effect 2 had the best crew when it comes to charachter stories and history. im not saying jacobs fun to have but ash kaiden and jacob are by far the 3 most boring charachters ive ever witnessed

[ADLegend21]

Mesina2 wrote...

it's funny the majority of these things here descirbe all the alien LI's but omg let's go mate with things that aren't the same species as Shepard human LI's can go die.

[ADLegend21]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because of the gross mistrust of someone who was once close to me, and especially since I thought that person was sensible.

Seriously: Garrus, Chakwas, Hackett, and Anderson all trust my judgement. Even Tali, who has personal reason to hate Cerberus, they all get it. Whatever they may think of Cerberus, they trust my judgement. Why Kaidan can't is retarded. And he can't apologize to me unless I'm a girl that romanced him. So much for bros before hoes.


My dialogue with him is pretty much this:

K: *hand* I thought you were dead, we all did...
S: *handshake* Been to long, how're you doing bro?
K: ... that's all you have to say??? I'D HAVE WENT ANYWHERE WITH YOU I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO CONTACT ME???
S: ... I was dead or in a coma. Cerberus just rebuilt me. (FWIW, I did ask about him before when I saw Anderson)
K: *steps back, glares* you're with Cerberus now. I can't believe the reports were right!
Mordin: Reports? You, already knew?
K: I got a tip..... blah blah blah. Anderson. blah blah WHY DID YOU DO IT??? YOU TURNED YOUR BACK ON EVERYTHING YOU STOOD FOR!
S: This isn't about me with Cerberus, idiot. The Collectors did this.
K: Yeah, well, what if they are manipulating you?
Mordin: Hung up on Cerberus, not seeing real enemy.
S: You obviously won't listen to reason.
K: REASON??????

Oh yeah, and Jack calls Delan a "little sh*t" ... which is awesome because he's my least favorite NPC in the whole series.

you realize you're talking to an Alliance LIFER either way. That's like being a fan of a sport, disappearing and then reappearing with the opposite teams memoribila on and going back to your old teams fanbase and asking them to understand. Not happeing.

[Iakus]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because of the gross mistrust of someone who was once close to me, and especially since I thought that person was sensible.

Seriously: Garrus, Chakwas, Hackett, and Anderson all trust my judgement. Even Tali, who has personal reason to hate Cerberus, they all get it. Whatever they may think of Cerberus, they trust my judgement. Why Kaidan can't is retarded. And he can't apologize to me unless I'm a girl that romanced him. So much for bros before hoes.

I don't blame the characters, I blame the writers.  And play ME 1 to remember what they were like before...

[Xilizhra]

it's funny the majority of these things here descirbe all the alien LI's but omg let's go mate with things that aren't the same species as Shepard human LI's can go die.

Attacking other LIs is never cool.

[ADLegend21]

Xilizhra wrote...

it's funny the majority of these things here descirbe all the alien LI's but omg let's go mate with things that aren't the same species as Shepard human LI's can go die.

Attacking other LIs is never cool.

Not attacking. just paraphrasing the sentiment I've seen around here. human LI's get a bad rep around here. I've even seen a "we don't play sci-fo to romance humans am I right?" as a reason why the human LI's suck.  I've tried every possible romance and they'rea ll good, but it's true about most of the Alien LI's but they can get away with it because zomg I can't get it in real life like I possibly could with a human.