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[Stronghold II]

 So one of my playthroughs I am walking the path of an arsehat. I have Sten, Shale, and Morrigan in my party, and it seems no matter what I do all of those jackholes disapprove.

 Shale is starting to come around but nothing I do pleases Sten, it seems like I will have to miss out on very important game play in order to make that guy happy.

 Anyone have any tips?

 To be honest I have never, in 33 years, ever been able to play the bad guy in any RPG.

 To top it off, I feel like a jerk when I am mean to Alistair.

[WildAce]

i have dog in my evil party along with shale and morrigan only time i replace dog in in my evil party is when its dragon time. need more ranged than a third melee

Modifié par WildAce, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:11 .

[Beertastic]

I couldn't comment because I can't bring myself to play the bad guy either. Not in all the RPGs I've played that have the option have I ever been able to bring myself to be "evil". This is mainly because "evil" in a lot of these RPGs simply comes off as being an ignorant jerk and makes me feel like an idiot.

[Magilicotti]

I know what you mean. I tend to be quite nice in the game, mostly modeling myself over what I would do if I was in this situation. (minus killing that prisoner, I just wanted to see if my character would really do it! . >.>)



But as I ponder over conversation choices, I think to myself how hard it would be for me to actually choose a negative comment. I suppose that's just me, and I cannot be changed. My real life personality resembles Alistair's, so naturally he and I get along quite well^^

[Drasill]

Playing the evil guy in this game seems to gimp you. I tried getting the reaver specialization and Lelianna left my party. I retried it using other people and when I went back to camp Wynne left my party. I decided not to get the specialization because of this (and cause it kind of sucks) and went with Champion instead which also happened to be a better choice.

[Flavius Silva]

It stresses me out to play evil, and I play games to relax, so I never play evil either.

[Stronghold II]

Beertastic wrote...

I couldn't comment because I can't bring myself to play the bad guy either. Not in all the RPGs I've played that have the option have I ever been able to bring myself to be "evil". This is mainly because "evil" in a lot of these RPGs simply comes off as being an ignorant jerk and makes me feel like an idiot.

 This

 Evil in many games boils down to just being a mandotard. "Evil" can be many things, not just someone who talks trash to everyone he meets on his travels.

 I really wanted to get to know Sten, but I may not be able to, I mean he got ultra upset when I decided to help Redcliff.........don't I need allies for the final battle or whatever? Sten just wants to kill Darkspawn......nothing more.

[LaztRezort]

I, too, am in the same boat, my friend. But, it's mostly the guilt of actually treating such lifelike characters so harshly. With such fleshed out characters, I find it difficult to roleplay the bad guy. My "evil" character comes across more as an incredibly unpredictable psychopath with split personality disorder: killing one innocent leads to guilt leads to helping another. It's a vicious circle, and every one of my companions seems to dislike it.



I am hoping to appease them with loads of gifts.

[Wolff Laarcen]

I actually found that Sten and Morrigan are quite approving of most of my 'evil' character's actions... With the exception that Sten doesn't mess around with demons.

[Stronghold II]

LaztRezort wrote...

I, too, am in the same boat, my friend. But, it's mostly the guilt of actually treating such lifelike characters so harshly. With such fleshed out characters, I find it difficult to roleplay the bad guy. My "evil" character comes across more as an incredibly unpredictable psychopath with split personality disorder: killing one innocent leads to guilt leads to helping another. It's a vicious circle, and every one of my companions seems to dislike it.

I am hoping to appease them with loads of gifts.

 Yeah, thank the Maker for gifts. Gifts are the only reason Shale even talks to me......he told me last night that I am not like the other humans.......I said......"I'm a Elf silly."

[lordhugorune]

I feel your pain Stronghold II

Particularly in this game when the characters have personalities that feel so real.
I'm viewing it as a challenge to play the game through that way, because it's not really in my nature. And there are going to be times when it's hard to work out what the 'right' evil choice is
I see 'evil' as seeking and taking power and riches for myself, not caring about the lot of others. There is a balance to strike, however. I can't allow Ferelden to be destroyed, because then who will I force to serve me after the Blight is over?

Modifié par lordhugorune, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:20 .

[GhoXen]

You need to harden yourself up like I have first.

Kill the dog multiple times with your random evil dagger of out of nowhere by reloading. Eventually you will feel no remorse, no compassion, and only the power of your actions.

Being evil and being a jerk are two completely different matters. When you chat with your companions, you should not treat them without respect, instead you should consider them as useful tools(the ones you don't plan on killing anyway). Agree to their "efficient way" of things, and be willing to do anything necessary for personal gain.

My elven mage tends to be very polite upon introduction, agree to "help" people after a few simple questions, then kills the dog.

Modifié par GhoXen, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:23 .

[Default137]

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.

As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could, so nobody knew, and would support me when it came down to it.

Modifié par Default137, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:21 .

[Stronghold II]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

I actually found that Sten and Morrigan are quite approving of most of my 'evil' character's actions... With the exception that Sten doesn't mess around with demons.

 
 Sten is so hardcore, I really like the character, just wish I knew how to play the bad guy better so that we could become closer.

[Stronghold II]

Default137 wrote...

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.
'
As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could.

 You may be right, I don't really see Sten as "evil" as well. However the dude is hardcore and does want to muck around with the fetch me this quest........he is all business.

[Default137]

Stronghold II wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.
'
As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could.

 You may be right, I don't really see Sten as "evil" as well. However the dude is hardcore and does want to muck around with the fetch me this quest........he is all business.

If you want to become good with Sten, bring him along with a duty/honor PC, thats all he really cares about, thats why he gets so pissed when you get sidetracked, he realizes you need allies, but why are you wasting time traversing some mountains when you could be finding the Elves etc.

He's just a really really blunt good guy, thats why he dislikes demons so much, why he keeps pushing you to go after the Archdemon, etc.

[LaztRezort]

GhoXen wrote...

You need to harden yourself up like I have first.

Kill the dog multiple times with your random evil dagger of out of nowhere by reloading. Eventually you will feel no remorse, no compassion, and only the power of your actions.

Oh no, now you've just gone too far, mister.  I can see making deals with demons, letting the innocent farmers get murdered, and offing those annoying mages and maker-worshipers -- but killing dog?

That's just sick!

[Stronghold II]

Default137 wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.
'
As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could.

 You may be right, I don't really see Sten as "evil" as well. However the dude is hardcore and does want to muck around with the fetch me this quest........he is all business.

If you want to become good with Sten, bring him along with a duty/honor PC, thats all he really cares about, thats why he gets so pissed when you get sidetracked, he realizes you need allies, but why are you wasting time traversing some mountains when you could be finding the Elves etc.

He's just a really really blunt good guy, thats why he dislikes demons so much, why he keeps pushing you to go after the Archdemon, etc.

 Funny you should say that....

 Last night I decided that the "honor/duty" path may very well be the path to Sten's heart, I just haven't had the chance to test it yet. I had to reload about 2 hours of game play last night being that I ticked him off so much.

[Default137]

Stronghold II wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.
'
As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could.

 You may be right, I don't really see Sten as "evil" as well. However the dude is hardcore and does want to muck around with the fetch me this quest........he is all business.

If you want to become good with Sten, bring him along with a duty/honor PC, thats all he really cares about, thats why he gets so pissed when you get sidetracked, he realizes you need allies, but why are you wasting time traversing some mountains when you could be finding the Elves etc.

He's just a really really blunt good guy, thats why he dislikes demons so much, why he keeps pushing you to go after the Archdemon, etc.

 Funny you should say that....

 Last night I decided that the "honor/duty" path may very well be the path to Sten's heart, I just haven't had the chance to test it yet. I had to reload about 2 hours of game play last night being that I ticked him off so much.

Yup.

Show respect to enemies that fight you and are powerful sometimes by killing them to show your respect, do things not "For Ferelden" but because the Blight threatens everything, and its your Duty, don't stop to help people as its your DUTY to stop the Dark Spawn, rather then dick around saving peasants who will die anyway if you don't hurry up.

Most of all though, don't confuse "good" with "honor and duty" they are two very different things, as I learned during my first playthrough where I tried to get Sten to like me, and ended up pissing him off because I kept trying to help everyone, being good is all about helping everyone no matter what, being dutybound is working for the greater good so to speak, and sometimes you have to make sacrifices to save time.

[marshalleck]

Default137 wrote...

Sten is not evil, I'd actually consider him more neutral then anything, if you want a full Evil Party, it has to be Dog - PC - Morrigan - Shale.

As for being Evil, yeah, its always been just being a jackass, rather then a smart evil guy, if I was evil, I wouldn't run around killing everyone going LOLDUR, I'd be trying to politic my way into becoming King, or I'd secretly be setting up Alliances, and seeking power, but overall acting like a saint when I could, so nobody knew, and would support me when it came down to it.

Well, I think that's because said characters usually end up being the game's antagonist. Wouldn't be much of a game if the first time your paths crossed, your PC said "hey I like the way you think" and recruited the main bad guy and you went off to rule the world.

Or maybe it would?

I agree evil options tend to be poorly developed. Not so much evil as just completely psychotic with neither rhyme nor reason to their actions. DAO does it better than past efforts though. Chaotic Evil is boring and pointlessly cruel. Lawful Evil is more interesting, but Neutral Evil is where things really get dark.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:35 .

[Netrin]

What most players do wrong in my opinion, is that they play the really good guy their first playtrough. Second time around they just want to play evil to see what they missed out on. I totally understand that. The problem is that you do not build a character in your mind, how he should act, what his goals are etc. you are just picking the most "evil" actions all the time. Being a jerk to all, doing random evil acts that hurt you in the end and so on.

If we have to use terms that are a bit known, you do not have to be "Chaotic Evil", but you can for an example,  be evil in a way you are seeking power and that is what only matters in the end. Your companions are just tools, but you know that by being nice to them and inspiring loyalty you can further use them to gain power. Make a character in your head and try to roleplay it. Much more fun that way.

Modifié par Netrin, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:37 .

[Dnarris]

I just shower my companions with gifts and what I do never seems to matter.

[marshalleck]

Netrin wrote...

What most players do wrong in my opinion,
is that they play the really good guy their first playtrough. Second
time around they just want to play evil to see what they missed out on.
I totally understand that. The problem is that you do not build a
character in your mind, how he should act, what his goals are etc. you
are just picking the most "evil" actions all the time. Being a jerk to
all, doing random evil acts that hurt you in the end and so on.

If
we have to use terms that are a bit known, you do not have to be
"Chaotic Evil", but you can for an example,  be evil in a way you are
seeking power and that is what only matters in the end. Your companions
are just tools, but you know that by being nice to them and inspiring
loyalty you can further use them to gain power. Make a character in
your head and try to roleplay it. Much more fun that way.

True, but it's hard to stick to concept when the dialogue options are

1 - Lick the King's boot
2 - (kill the King)

Also, with dialogue choices there are often few opportunities for willful duplicity. LIke going along with an NPC for the time being. Often, if you agree with them it leads to you fully taking on their cause. Now in DAO there are definite exceptions, but not always.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 novembre 2009 - 08:42 .

[Skemte]

Its pretty hard to play absolutes of either one.. The game has alot of grey choices.

[Stronghold II]

marshalleck wrote...

Netrin wrote...

What most players do wrong in my opinion,
is that they play the really good guy their first playtrough. Second
time around they just want to play evil to see what they missed out on.
I totally understand that. The problem is that you do not build a
character in your mind, how he should act, what his goals are etc. you
are just picking the most "evil" actions all the time. Being a jerk to
all, doing random evil acts that hurt you in the end and so on.

If
we have to use terms that are a bit known, you do not have to be
"Chaotic Evil", but you can for an example,  be evil in a way you are
seeking power and that is what only matters in the end. Your companions
are just tools, but you know that by being nice to them and inspiring
loyalty you can further use them to gain power. Make a character in
your head and try to roleplay it. Much more fun that way.

True, but it's hard to stick to concept when the dialogue options are

1 - Lick the King's boot
2 - (kill the King)

 This

 On this playthrough I am finding that my guy really wouldn't do any of the options that Bioware has given me.