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[Balderhagen]

To be able to play true evil, the game must have an evil plot... like make sure no one stops the darkspawn progress to take over the world or something like that.



If u wanna go around being a total jackass to every1 you meet, then u will get no where, ingame or in real life :-)

[marshalleck]

menasure wrote...

he had a sense of wright and wrong once but after all the stuff he has done and seen he has a troubled mind which often makes him cling on to the basics principles of his past rather than to "live" in the present. he has some sort of fleeing reality - dead wish really but the main thing keeping him alive is the "getting the job done" principle.
i know it is a simplification i made but it is one which helps to get some result in your choices in game.

Wow. I think you're wildly misinterpreting his character. He doesn't have a death wish; he just lives his life with purpose and is utterly dedicated to pursuing his goal, whatever that may be. I don't want to say much more as it could be spoiler, but talk with him and read the codex entries about Qunari to understand why he is the way he is. They have a very different culture compared to that of Ferelden, which seems to be mostly modeled on medieval western Europe and thus western morals and ethics.

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:25 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Balderhagen wrote...

To be able to play true evil, the game must have an evil plot... like make sure no one stops the darkspawn progress to take over the world or something like that.

If u wanna go around being a total jackass to every1 you meet, then u will get no where, ingame or in real life :-)

That's why I have so much trouble with it. So often in games, you're forced to just be an ass to be considered evil, and even forced to make decisions that are going to not further your goal in that pursuit. Morrigan evil, essentially, the evil where it is better to make your life difficult so you can be evil than be cordial and helpful to aid you in your journey.

[Antagonist86]

First rule of mass effect / da:o

There is no evil, there is being a **** and a white knight, you might be a dubious knight, a not very white knight or a very lazy knight, but at the end of the day your rescuing that princess makerdamnit, you may choose to burn the castle afterwards, or blackmail her for some extra rewards but she's getting out.



Second rule,

After listening to the dialogue, the first thing that pops in your head as a response is never an actual choose able response.



Third rule,

All members of the same species/gender/race type are EXACTLY UND PRECISELY equally tall.

And are EXACTLY UND PRECISELY equally fat. I'm told all exceptions to that rule are rounded up during beta and stretched/put on a diet/forced to eat beef or shot. Or all of the above.

[Stronghold II]

Antagonist86 wrote...

First rule of mass effect / da:o
There is no evil, there is being a **** and a white knight, you might be a dubious knight, a not very white knight or a very lazy knight, but at the end of the day your rescuing that princess makerdamnit, you may choose to burn the castle afterwards, or blackmail her for some extra rewards but she's getting out.

Second rule,
After listening to the dialogue, the first thing that pops in your head as a response is never an actual choose able response.

Third rule,
All members of the same species/gender/race type are EXACTLY UND PRECISELY equally tall.
And are EXACTLY UND PRECISELY equally fat. I'm told all exceptions to that rule are rounded up during beta and stretched/put on a diet/forced to eat beef or shot. Or all of the above.

 Your post confuses me.

[AnnDeFerm]

Stronghold II wrote...

 So one of my playthroughs I am walking the path of an arsehat. I have Sten, Shale, and Morrigan in my party, and it seems no matter what I do all of those jackholes disapprove.  Shale is starting to come around but nothing I do pleases Sten, it seems like I will have to miss out on very important game play in order to make that guy happy.

 Anyone have any tips?  To be honest I have never, in 33 years, ever been able to play the bad guy in any RPG. To top it off, I feel like a jerk when I am mean to Alistair.

How strange. Morrigan drops in approval with my good party so if she drops in approval in an evil party too then what makes her happy????
It's possible to solo I guess but it's not ideal thing to do that. We can hope for an EVIL campaign in the future... probably not from the game makers but fan-made with the toolset.
I've never been able to be all that evil either but now in this game I found reason and drive for it. I made a female city elf rogue and I must say that human noble really pissed me/my elf off. After his (and his guards) rape and killing of my elf friends I/she really hates the humans in general and nobles. So she has a secret goal beside fighting the darkspawn; killing as many human (nobles) as possible within the game's limits. The first one to go were the wounded soldier in the wilds when gathering blood for the grey wardens initiate. It can only go downhill from here on

But all my other chars are goody, altogh I detest Alistair so have begun to replace him with the dog. Or the prisoner we can free in Loitering. What I found to be odd is that a human noble get the dog in the party before the light-the-beacon quest where we fight an ogre for the first time. The wardog sit by the fire by Mr. D. (our grey warden boss, don't remember his name) and you just klick him and he joins immediately. For all other of my chars he don't join before walking to Loitering.

[Rokettter]

You don't need to go yelling at every little kid that his mother is dead and stab people in the eye to be evil... I mean even an evil person would be tactful with the kid, unless he had some particular reason to let his rage go free at the youngster.

You can be pretty evil, deceitful and ruthless without having to resort to "your momma" insults. Like promise someone to help him, then betray him in the last split second. use gifts and persuasion to make your allies feel your actions are not as evil as they think. Think beforehand about how your companions will react and try trick them or influence them.

True, you can't expect to have Alistair, Wynne and Leliana telling you how cool you are if you keep on turning every place you pass trough into a nuclear wasteland, but you *can* try manipulate them into not leaving your party. They won't like it, but you can keep them, and having them be miserable but still helping you until you no longer need them and get what you want is *very* evil.

Modifié par Rokettter, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:19 .

[Trooper Guy1]

I did alot of 'evil' things with my first character. But the problem was after the game ended and I saw all the results of my actions..I felt like a ****. A very big ****.

[Darth_Shizz]

marshalleck wrote...

I thought Mass Effect did it pretty well, though there were a few facepalm moments.

Mass Effect did it very well...not so much through dialogue, but through the visual feedback you were given. There's nothing quite like seeing a renegade Shepard get impatient and put a gun to someones head...or beat the crap out of them...or just plain shoot them in the face for looking at him/her the wrong way. 

From my experiences in this game, there seems to be very few of these moments. Someone concedes in a fight and begs you not to kill them? Not only is the choice VERY grey, but usually, the merciless route will only result in you going back into combat mode Don't get me wrong though. I love the moral ambiguity...to an extent. But sometimes it'd just be nice to see a concise decision being made and played out in gorey detail, you know?


Sometimes I just want to be Skeletor 

[Realmjumper]

Eh I don't like playing the bad guy in rpg games. Just not my style at all. Sten is a jerk/****** I think and doesn't ever want to open up from what I've seen. Mainly I got Morrigan, Wynne, and Alistair.



Shale and I get along just fine maybe he likes Dwarves. Leliana is cool too and Morrigan can be a pain in the arse. I mostly have her since having 2 mages is a really strong build.

[mistertim]

KOTOR 1 is probably the only RPG I have played that had a good evil stream (and I've really only played Bioware RPGs); particularly near the end of the game there were some amazingly evil things you could do and it fitted well in the plot of the game.



There was another one that was ok - I can't remember which game it was - that effectively had three streams: typical good, downright evil and a kind of rationalist/objectivist (like Ayn Rand) path where you encouraged people to stand up for themselves and you wouldn't just run around doing things for them.

[Rexxean]

Stronghold II wrote...

 So one of my playthroughs I am walking the path of an arsehat. I have Sten, Shale, and Morrigan in my party, and it seems no matter what I do all of those jackholes disapprove.

 Shale is starting to come around but nothing I do pleases Sten, it seems like I will have to miss out on very important game play in order to make that guy happy.

 Anyone have any tips?

 To be honest I have never, in 33 years, ever been able to play the bad guy in any RPG.

 To top it off, I feel like a jerk when I am mean to Alistair.

I play a good decent guyas i would in real life, and have no problems with sten, only person that is a bit$#ch is morriagan so i dumped from group and got GRanny Wynn who kicksarse and is nice...Sten comes around, talk to him like you think he like to be talked to and @@@SPOLIER@@@@ he likes paintings

[Alphram]

As someone else posted, I think most people make the mistake of thinking that the "evil" route means taking ALL the worst choices in the game, which is a bad way to go, as who would ever do that?  Think of it being more of a villain.  As the saying goes "A villain is the hero of his own story".  Perfect example is Logain.  Certainly the villain of the story, but he certainly doesn't see himself as such.  In his mind, every action he's taken has been for the better of Ferelden.  And he certainly doesn't walk around kicking puppies.  He can be perfectly civil to people, else why would he have such a loyal following?  So come up with a concept.  That will give you perfect justifcation for doing SOME of the "evil" actions in the game, but not all.  You can do those others with yet another character.

The funny thing is, I'm going to guess that most of the people playing a "good" character still did almost all the side quests, including the assassination ones, and the dubious ones to help the Mage collective blood mages, and the ones for certain "Interested parties".  Sure, my character loves to help everyone, that's why I'm dumping bodies down a well!  And strangely, Wynn, Alistair and Leliana have no problems with these lol.

[Rolenka]

I insist on getting to 100 favor with my companions, so it's quite the juggling act.



I always play good side my first time playing. However, I brought along Shale, Morrigan and Dog not knowing the first two were evil. So I had to play evil. I missed out on a lot of xp and loot.

[Meteo63]

What I try to do is develop a character and follow his personality through the entire story. For examples, my human noble warrior is all good and nice to everyone because its fits her upbringing as the daughter of a powerful, benevolent nobleman. But my city elf might be a bit darker. Nice to an extent, but willing to do more to get results. More ruthless. Extreme hatred of most humans, for examples. Or my mage. Wants to escape the Circle's influence, the control of the templars and chantry. With the whole focus on free will, he would dislike making deals with demons. And so on,



Basically, for this game, I stop thinking about it in terms of good and evil. Makes it easier to play that way.

[ingtar33]

Stronghold II wrote...

Beertastic wrote...

I couldn't comment because I can't bring myself to play the bad guy either. Not in all the RPGs I've played that have the option have I ever been able to bring myself to be "evil". This is mainly because "evil" in a lot of these RPGs simply comes off as being an ignorant jerk and makes me feel like an idiot.

 This

 Evil in many games boils down to just being a mandotard. "Evil" can be many things, not just someone who talks trash to everyone he meets on his travels.

 I really wanted to get to know Sten, but I may not be able to, I mean he got ultra upset when I decided to help Redcliff.........don't I need allies for the final battle or whatever? Sten just wants to kill Darkspawn......nothing more.

I don't know... i'm trying as evil right now... and i'm not having much trouble with this.  Sten seems amiable to persuasion.  Do your evil stuff and it seems like he'll give you a chance to explain and if you can persuade him he'll go up in aproval.

next you have to know what they aprove of.

Morrigan isn't evil per say.... she's a pure amoral "pragmitist"... in short any action which gets you closer to your goal FOR THE LEAST EFFORT POSSIBLE she seems to aprove of.  Sten just wants to kill darkspawn, so he'll question any action you take that doesn't seem to progress toward that (though if you can convince him you're ultimately aiding that goal he'll often aprove) .  Also, morality in this world is different and amusingly quite consistent (within the setting of the world) then it is in our world.  Alister is often quite in favor of actions you or i would consider evil, heartless or cruel (especially toward apostates).  The only character in the party i found i had problems controlling her revulsion at some of my evil was Wynn.  But even then... you can get away with a lot of foul deeds just as long as you don't tell her about it later. 

remember there is a big difference in this game from being evil and being an idiot.  I think some people in this thread might be assuming the obviously stupid conversation responces are the evil ones.  they are not.  Many times the evil options in the story are only found through "questioning" and dragging out the conversation

Modifié par ingtar33, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[gurugeorge]

I am constitutionally incapable of playing a bad character. I consider it a character flaw. I've tried, believe me I've tried, but I just can't stomach it.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Not me. Being evil is a blast. I blame Bioware's games for showing me that. Even my 1st play through where I'm trying to be me as close as possible I've committed heinous acts (I'm neutral in real life...honest).

[Vinditater]

Killing old women and defenseless children is evil. My character has done both. Sten approves of it all. Food for thought.

[StuartMarshall]

I have tried two extremes on my two playthroughts thus far. I had no problem being a goody two-shoes human noble but I'm finding the possibilities and options quite limited as a bitter, sadistic elven mage on my second runthrough. There are times where my character (or *I* as my character) feel that manipulating or using brute force in a situation would benefit him... only to not have the option. As someone said, KOTOR was the best for this as you could be pure good, pure evil, or in the grey zone.

[MR-9]

To quote a guide I once read "Sten likes paintings. Don't even try to talk to him, you'll just ****** him off. Sten likes paintings."

[wkstrm]

as many of you already mentioned, it's hard to be evil. Therefore I've left the evil approach and goes for a more powerfull approach. My character is simlpy powerhungry and the ultimate goal is to gain enough power to seize the control of the land/world.

[RedShft]

It's easy, I managed to totally destroy my party. Without going into any spoilers, lets say that I was very lonely come the final battle. A couple of things you need to do: kill everything, and say mean things to everyone else you don't kill (party members included). Morrigan loved me, but alas...

[Kordras]

I can't possibly be evil in this game. Duncan is just too awesome. When you start out, no matter how mean you are to him, he will always make you feel like a douche.