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[jamesp81]

I'm playing as a Soldier.  On the collector ship, you choose an upgraded weapon.  Not much on the shotguns, so I'm going to choose either the Revenant or the Widow.  I'm having trouble deciding and would like to solicite input.

My main assault rifle has been the Mattock and I really like it (apparently, someone modded an M14 for thermal clips and changed the stock, but that's another thread ).  I find that I prefer the concept of aimed fire over spray and pray; I gave up on an Infiltrator playthrough because I detested the machine pistols and submachine guns, which you're pushed into using because the sniper doesn't work for CQB, and the Carnifex pistol runs out of ammo too quickly to be a main sidearm.  Generally, the way I play a soldier, is that I use my Mattock mostly, and pull out the Mantis sniper for tough opponents or if there are heavy weapons at long range under cover.  The shotgun and handgun are used as sidearms when ammo on the Mattock is low.

I'm torn now, however.  The Revenant has craptastic accuracy (not as bad as any of the SMGs though), but it's base damage is pretty high.  The Widow, however, is basically an anti-tank rifle and I can already tell with full upgrades that it's going to be one seriously fearsome beast.  I was considering keeping the Mattock for my main, general use weapon, and using the Widow in the same places I tend to use the Mantis.

So, for a soldier class, which weapon did you guys choose?

[Reavah]

Widow, all the time, every time. It's basically like having 2 heavy weapons, especially with AR.

[Malanek]

The Mattock is definately more powerful than the Revenant for the Soldier. It doesn't get slowed by adrenaline rush and is really quite degenerate. If you prefer the Widow to the Viper then take it. You don't have to use either though.

[Ares Caesar]

Being that it sounds like you didnt care for the SMG's, and you also have the Mattock, I would say in this case its an easy choice in the Widow.



The Revenant is fun, especially if you like CQC, but the Mattock is a suitable replacement (especially if you've got it for PC), while allowing you to then take the Widow or Claymore instead.



Honestly, I'm all about taking the Widow/Claymore for the Soldier since the other 2 classes that can use those Unique weapons I prefer taking an extra weapon instead, so the Soldier class is the only one that I end up getting to use those 2 unique weapons (I have Xbox and dont mod).

[Fortlowe]

Widow.

[The_Wonder_of_Thedas]

The Mattock is better than the Revenant while the Widow is twenty billion times better than the Incisor.



The answer is clear.

[Abispa]

Widow + Deep Freeze Ammo = Good time. True, one shot usually kills anyway, but I like watching things shatter into a million pieces.

[implodinggoat]

The_Wonder_of_Thedas wrote...

The Mattock is better than the Revenant while the Widow is twenty billion times better than the Incisor.

The answer is clear.

Well that's not really a fair comparison since the Incisor is the worst sniper rifle in the game.  The Widow is the best sniper rifle; but the Viper is also pretty fierce and meshes very nicely with the Revenant.

RE:  The OP

The Mattock is a beast and though I love it, I do think its overpowered (I'd like to see its clip size halved and its ammo per thermal clip reduced by 20-30% in ME3).  At range it easily outclasses the Revenant; but when you're dealing with waves of charging enemies like Husks or massive bullet sponges like YMIRs the Revenant has a definite edge.

Personally I always take the Widow because I play as a commando style soldier focused on sniping and dealing heavy damage quickly from cover (Commando training, Heightened Adrenaline Rush, Heavy Warp Ammo).  While with the Revenant you need to charge in fairly close and then unload mercilessly to make the most of it while letting the Viper do the work at range.  With the Revenant you want to spec your soldier out as more of a tank so you can take more damage and stay out of cover longer while you unload with the Revenant or Viper (Shock Trooper training, Hardened Adrenaline Rush, and possibly Geth Shield Boost if you want to be extra tough).

Since the OP likes accurate weapons I'd reccomend taking the Widow.  Its one shot one kill capability is wonderful and makes it a brilliant weapon for dealing with enemies who force you into cover and ones you don't want to get close to, particularly Scions who can be some of the most challenging enemies in the game.

PS:  If you're rolling with the Mattock and Widow you're going to eat through ammo fast, so if you're dealing with Husks or other charging enemies who come in waves and don't drop ammo I'd reccomend bringing along the Firestorm as a means of replacing the Revenants supprisive fire capabilities.  Also as a means to conserve ammo and make the most of your weapons make sure to whip out your shotty for decimating enemies who get in close, I prefer the Eviscerator since it gives me extra range and lets me do heavy damage while staying cover; but that's your call.

PPS:  Though you didn't mention it, I'd avoid the Claymore.  I find it to be the weakest of the 3 advanced training weapons and unless you're playing as a Vanguard its limited range makes getting in close enough to use it a challenge.  Some people who like to play an uber aggressive style soldier like it; but personally I don't see enough upside over the Eviscerator to merit passing on the Widow or Revenant.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 22 février 2011 - 03:00 .

[Thompson family]

implodinggoat wrote...

Since the OP likes accurate weapons I'd reccomend taking the Widow.

That's very good advice, and probably the best in this case.

But that's not my personal choice, nor is it the choice for everyone. I have many, many hours of practice with the Revenant,, having played this game on Insanity level since unlocking it after ME2 first came out -- before the Mattock was available. The Revenant's reputation as a rookie "spray and pray" gun is understandable, since it can be used that way. However, using it that way is misusing it.

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People say that the secret to using the Revenant is to fire short bursts. That's almost right.

The real secret to using the Revenant effectively is to fire it in TWO-round bursts or even ONE round shots. You'll look a telegraph operator tapping a key before you're able to do that.  (I don't know if this is easier to do on a PC with a good gaming mouse, which is my rig.) This makes the gun quite controllable.

The Revenant's aiming reticule is "spacy," but putting the imaginary crosshairs where they need to be doesn't take all that much practice. Headshots really aren't a problem with practice, at least not at ranges in which you would't be at leisure to use a sniper rifle anyway.

The difference is, when something pops up at short range, or is a tough target or a swarm of husks is your problem, the "firehose" option's always available. Even in relatively short bursts, the Revenant is devestating.

It saves Heavy Weapons ammo, because you'll hardly ever need a heavy weapon. That's the long and short of it.

I also admit to the non-rational satisfaction of hearing a Krogan say "Try a real man's weapon" just before giving him a face full of Inferno ammo at close range.

One of the Mattock's big pluses is that it can trigger special ammunition effects like fire panic pretty easily. That's a valid consideration. And even I still prefer the Mattock on some missions such as the Batarians at the missile base. They are relatively easy-to-kill targets but there are a lot of them. Pop out with a Mattock, kill one or two with a few of those potent rounds and repeat.

My fighting style probably plays a big factor too. I like to set my squadmates behind cover and then use adrenaline rush -- not to shoot, but to run and flank. I especially like Garrus and Zaheed as a team, armed with Incisors, while I get in close and to one side. Garrus strips shields with overload. Zaeed strips armor with inferno grenade, and both strip barriers with concussive shot. Shep tears up whats left. Most players, I get the impression, prefer to do their own sniping.

[implodinggoat]

RE: Thompson.



From my experience I'd say that firing super short 1 or 2 round bursts with the Revenant isn't going to be an option unless you have a high end PC and a gaming mouse.



I play on 360 and while you can manage short bursts with the Revenant to improve its accuracy you can't reliably fire the sort of super short bursts you're talking about with a controller. While a mouse would be an advantage here I think you'd also need a lot of horsepower for your PC as well since the machine has to be able to handle the game easily in order to give you the super tight controls necessary to pull off what you're proposing.



In my experience (on 360) the Revenant isn't at its best unless you're close enough that you can hold down the trigger and unload it. With practice you can land a few shots at longer range; but it can't compete with a Vindicator or Mattock. If I'm at range a use the Viper and the instant an enemy gets close enough that the Viper becomes awkward I close in until I can let the Revenant rip on full auto.

[termokanden]

I don't think there really is any doubt that Widow + Mattock is the most powerful choice. The Mattock is by far the best assault rifle, and the Widow is just fun to use (though you could argue that the Viper is as good for sniping).

Personally though I think the Revenant is the most fun. And don't listen to people saying it can't be used at range. If you are a good player you can actually use it reasonably well at range without AR (with the AR accuracy upgrade though), but WITH AR it has zero recoil.

Modifié par termokanden, 22 février 2011 - 12:27 .

[JaegerBane]

Thompson family wrote...

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People say that the secret to using the Revenant is to fire short bursts. That's almost right.

The real secret to using the Revenant effectively is to fire it in TWO-round bursts or even ONE round shots. You'll look a telegraph operator tapping a key before you're able to do that.  (I don't know if this is easier to do on a PC with a good gaming mouse, which is my rig.) This makes the gun quite controllable.

The Revenant's aiming reticule is "spacy," but putting the imaginary crosshairs where they need to be doesn't take all that much practice. Headshots really aren't a problem with practice, at least not at ranges in which you would't be at leisure to use a sniper rifle anyway.

The difference is, when something pops up at short range, or is a tough target or a swarm of husks is your problem, the "firehose" option's always available. Even in relatively short bursts, the Revenant is devestating.

It saves Heavy Weapons ammo, because you'll hardly ever need a heavy weapon. That's the long and short of it.

Ironically I first realised this while playing a modded Adept who picked the Revenant on the Collector ship. Without AR to back up my full auto I found rapidly tapping the key with 1-2 shot bursts made it function almost as accurate as the Vindicator (though with less punch per shot) and with it's huge clip, it didn't matter as much. As you say, this knowledge combined with the bullet-hose option eventually made it my fave assault rifle - it mostly reminded me of the M249 from Half Life: Opposing Force, only with ammo that was far more common.

Add to the fact that I find the Viper functions largely as a battle rifle/sniper rifle hybrid and I found the Viper/Rev combo to be a really enjoyable one, though not capable of the level of raw damage as the Widow/Mattock combo.

The only part I don't agree with is the remark about heavy weapon ammo. Once I cracked how to use the Rev like that I started using the Cain a lot more instead of something a little more practical -  which put an almighty dent in my power cells...

Modifié par JaegerBane, 22 février 2011 - 01:06 .

[Thompson family]

implodinggoat and JaegerBane:

From my experience I'd say that firing super short 1 or 2 round bursts with the Revenant isn't going to be an option unless you have a high end PC and a gaming mouse....

I should have thought of that, the PC hardware and not just the peripheral. While I wouldn't call my PC "high end" by the stratospheric standards of what a wealthy PC player can afford, it is a nice Velocity Micro machine with an i7 processor, ample memory, a special cooling system and its only a year old. All that probably does makes a big difference.

The only part I don't agree with is the remark about heavy weapon ammo. Once I cracked how to use the Rev like that I started using the Cain a lot more instead of something a little more practical - which put an almighty dent in my power cells...

Ah, yes. Having the ability to afford extravagance. What a decedent pleasure it is.


B)B)

Modifié par Thompson family, 22 février 2011 - 04:47 .

[JaegerBane]

Thompson family wrote...
I should have thought of that, the PC hardware and not just the peripheral. While I wouldn't call my PC "high end" by the stratospheric standards of what a wealthy PC player can afford, it is a nice Velocity Micro machine with an i7 processor, ample memory, a special cooling system and its only a year old. All that probably does makes a big difference

I'm not so sure. Yeah, you'll need to have a system that can manage a pretty heavy frame rate, but you don't actually a need a top-end gaming PC to manage such a frame rate in ME2. I have an i7-920 and a single GTX 260 GPU with 3 gigs of DDR3, certainly not top of the line and over two years old, and I still manage major FPS - I think mine sits around 50+ fps. Fast enough so that I can't actually see anything other than fluid motion.

Unreal Engine, I guess.

[Stupidus]

Mattocks are cheating, take the Revenant and just burst-fire with it, like normal guns in normal FPS to avoid spray+pray. And 'cmon, you honestly want to time every shot when you could just hold down left click sometimes and unleash hell on your enemies?



Widows, are good but IMO incredibly boring to use. Viper at least has the satisfaction of you being able to hit multiple times with AR on; widows don't have that same feeling.

[JaegerBane]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
Pfft, with the Incisor, you drop shields. With the Viper you shoot a dude. With the Mantis, you kill a dude. With the Widow, you decimate the gene pool.

Provided said gene pool exists within one person and one person only - I dunno what it is, but I'd love to have an ability to shoot through several targets in a line :happy:

[Khan the Mad]

I would take the Revenant, because hey, you are the only one who can. Might as well have fun with it!