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[chicagojedi]

This tiny text is unreadable garbage. After all the complaints Bioware got after ME2 and their supposed attempts to fix the probelm you would think they wouldn't make the text smaller in DA2! And now the response is "too bad you don"t have an HDTV." You know why I don't have an HDTV? Because my SDTV is still working. Some people don't replace perfectly good appliances for no reason. And one broken game out of hundreds played isn't a good reason. Oddly enough, most of the games I play work on my TV. Including some Bioware games! But I guess from their statement Bioware drove back through time in a Delorean to make DA2. A future withut SDTV. But in the here and now, also known as reality, a large number of gamers - possibly a majority - still play on SDTVs. And the ones who are scammed into buying a game incompatible with their TVs with no notice from the knowing game company are just going to return or sell the game. That means a flood of DA2 copies in the used market which means a giant drop off in new game sales. That means less money for Bioware. But money isn't important to Bioware. Telling a story is. That's right, telling a story nobody can read. I just cancelled my preorder. I'll buy a copy if and when they patch the text.

[OpDDay2001]

NinjaMarion wrote...

OpDDay2001 wrote...

To be fair, threatening to cancel our
preorders probably isn't helping. I mean, we can't play the game so it
makes sense for us, but it is rude and bad form when talking to
developers. It also makes it sounds like we are demanding something when
we, technically, don't have a right to demand anything. That being
said, I still don't get why this (or any of the 5 other) topics have
been addressed at this point. Yet Devs are talking a lot in threads like
"What're you gonna name your dog" and stuff. Priorities,
mirite?

No one's threatening anything. We're asking "Is this fixed, yes or no?", and stating that if it's not, we'll have to cancel the preorders simply because IT'S UNPLAYABLE. It's not demanding or threatening anything. We just want to know if it's been fixed in the final build. I would think we have a right to know, wouldn't you? This is something that makes the game playable or unplayable. It's like if a developer didn't tell you the PC specs for the game ahead of time and you just had to HOPE it worked with your computer after spending all that money. And the cancelling isn't a threat as, if they didn't fix it in final, the people with SDs will have to not get it since it's unplayable since it damn sure won't be fixed after release. We learned with ME2 that that's "just not possible".

You know I'm on your side right? That I've started a thread about this very issue on the PS3 days ago (day of the demo release), and I've been as active, though not as vocal, as you have been about this issue. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. Twist my words how you like, but the point stands that there are more constructive ways to get results than what we've done here. This thread is filled with vitriol, even if it is well meaning and concerned vitriol. I was merely trying to stay objective and point out that we're more likely to get an answer if we stop bashing Bioware and saying "f**k them" and so on. It is not helpful. Period.

Let's go through why canceling a preorder isn't a threat shall we? First, I'll ask this, did you pre-order through EA Store? If the answer is no, then cancelling your preorder does absolutely noting to EA/Bioware except hurts the games sales figures. They still get paid for the game though, because if you're preordered through a gaming store like EB Games/Gamestop or what have you, they're the ones footing the bill.

Game distributors order, and pay for the games we buy from them. They buy the tiems to put on their shelves, this is called stock. A stores stock is paid for before you pay for the individual item. Say Game Retailer A buys 5 units of Game X, each unit has 5 individual games to go into stock (ie products are bought in bulk). This means that Game Retailer A has 25 games to sell to people. Now let's say you preorder one of these before the product releases and they have them in stock. They still have to pay for all 5 units of games, they only have to sell 24 games instead of 25. Suppose you decide to cancel your preorder sometime later, after the store has already put in it's orders for that day/week/month (however the store chooses to handle their ordering their stock). It's already paid/ordered the item for you and paid the publisher (in this case EA). Canceling your pre-order does not hurt EA/Bioware in anyway. Unless the product you cancelled does not sell when put on the shelf.

That can happen but it rarely happens with Collector Edition/Special Edition pre-orders for a game that is likely to do fairly well in sales anyway. IF no one decides to buy that special edition item, for whatever reason, there are several things that can happen depending on various factors. The Retailer could consider the product a 'loss' and get it covered by their insurance. The Retailer could return it to the Publisher for full credit (costing EA a sale). The retailer could discount the price of the item in order to sell it (by say selling it for what they've paid for it instead of the marked up MSRP). They could sell the product to another store within the same chain who was under-supplied or otherwise in need of units (each store has it's own sales to maintain and thus items transferred between stores are "sold" to each other). Out of all the things that a store can do in order to make a sale (and they want to make that sale to make money), only one of them hurts EA, and thus by extension, Bioware.

When I ask or say that I want to know if I should cancel my pre-order, it is not to slap EA/Bioware in the face, but to find out whether I am going to be actually play and enjoy the product I'm about to pay for. I know that many of us fall into this category, and are simply trying to get an answer. There are some, however, who, justified or not, are hurling expletives and/or insulting EA/Bioware and making threats ("I will never by another Bioware game again" is a threat and is "Consumer Terrorism", as I like to call it). You are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. You are perfectly entitled to carry out that action. Hell, you're even allowed (within moderation and depending on the rules of the forums and so on) to say that very thing in this thread. You aren't and can't, however, use it as a threat to get the attention of the developers or use it to get your way. That was my original point.

Again, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I'm having the same issues everyone else is. I'm still debating whether I should cancel my preorder or not. I'm merely pointing out that there are better ways we can be doing this.

[NinjaMarion]

OpDDay2001 wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

OpDDay2001 wrote...

To be fair, threatening to cancel our
preorders probably isn't helping. I mean, we can't play the game so it
makes sense for us, but it is rude and bad form when talking to
developers. It also makes it sounds like we are demanding something when
we, technically, don't have a right to demand anything. That being
said, I still don't get why this (or any of the 5 other) topics have
been addressed at this point. Yet Devs are talking a lot in threads like
"What're you gonna name your dog" and stuff. Priorities,
mirite?

No one's threatening anything. We're asking "Is this fixed, yes or no?", and stating that if it's not, we'll have to cancel the preorders simply because IT'S UNPLAYABLE. It's not demanding or threatening anything. We just want to know if it's been fixed in the final build. I would think we have a right to know, wouldn't you? This is something that makes the game playable or unplayable. It's like if a developer didn't tell you the PC specs for the game ahead of time and you just had to HOPE it worked with your computer after spending all that money. And the cancelling isn't a threat as, if they didn't fix it in final, the people with SDs will have to not get it since it's unplayable since it damn sure won't be fixed after release. We learned with ME2 that that's "just not possible".

You know I'm on your side right? That I've started a thread about this very issue on the PS3 days ago (day of the demo release), and I've been as active, though not as vocal, as you have been about this issue. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. Twist my words how you like, but the point stands that there are more constructive ways to get results than what we've done here. This thread is filled with vitriol, even if it is well meaning and concerned vitriol. I was merely trying to stay objective and point out that we're more likely to get an answer if we stop bashing Bioware and saying "f**k them" and so on. It is not helpful. Period.

Let's go through why canceling a preorder isn't a threat shall we? First, I'll ask this, did you pre-order through EA Store? If the answer is no, then cancelling your preorder does absolutely noting to EA/Bioware except hurts the games sales figures. They still get paid for the game though, because if you're preordered through a gaming store like EB Games/Gamestop or what have you, they're the ones footing the bill.

Game distributors order, and pay for the games we buy from them. They buy the tiems to put on their shelves, this is called stock. A stores stock is paid for before you pay for the individual item. Say Game Retailer A buys 5 units of Game X, each unit has 5 individual games to go into stock (ie products are bought in bulk). This means that Game Retailer A has 25 games to sell to people. Now let's say you preorder one of these before the product releases and they have them in stock. They still have to pay for all 5 units of games, they only have to sell 24 games instead of 25. Suppose you decide to cancel your preorder sometime later, after the store has already put in it's orders for that day/week/month (however the store chooses to handle their ordering their stock). It's already paid/ordered the item for you and paid the publisher (in this case EA). Canceling your pre-order does not hurt EA/Bioware in anyway. Unless the product you cancelled does not sell when put on the shelf.

That can happen but it rarely happens with Collector Edition/Special Edition pre-orders for a game that is likely to do fairly well in sales anyway. IF no one decides to buy that special edition item, for whatever reason, there are several things that can happen depending on various factors. The Retailer could consider the product a 'loss' and get it covered by their insurance. The Retailer could return it to the Publisher for full credit (costing EA a sale). The retailer could discount the price of the item in order to sell it (by say selling it for what they've paid for it instead of the marked up MSRP). They could sell the product to another store within the same chain who was under-supplied or otherwise in need of units (each store has it's own sales to maintain and thus items transferred between stores are "sold" to each other). Out of all the things that a store can do in order to make a sale (and they want to make that sale to make money), only one of them hurts EA, and thus by extension, Bioware.

When I ask or say that I want to know if I should cancel my pre-order, it is not to slap EA/Bioware in the face, but to find out whether I am going to be actually play and enjoy the product I'm about to pay for. I know that many of us fall into this category, and are simply trying to get an answer. There are some, however, who, justified or not, are hurling expletives and/or insulting EA/Bioware and making threats ("I will never by another Bioware game again" is a threat and is "Consumer Terrorism", as I like to call it). You are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. You are perfectly entitled to carry out that action. Hell, you're even allowed (within moderation and depending on the rules of the forums and so on) to say that very thing in this thread. You aren't and can't, however, use it as a threat to get the attention of the developers or use it to get your way. That was my original point.

Again, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I'm having the same issues everyone else is. I'm still debating whether I should cancel my preorder or not. I'm merely pointing out that there are better ways we can be doing this.

That's what I'm saying, actually. That none of us are threatening to cancel. None of us are doing anything like "Well if you don't put back in the tactical camera in the PC version, I'm cancelling my preorder!" type stuff. It's a matter of simply stating that we have to have an answer because if we don't, we have to cancel since otherwise it's unplayable. We're simply saying we have to know if it's fixed or we have to cancel, as it being fixed is the only way we can play it. That's not threatening or really even unreasonably demanding.

[Juggernaught203]

Oh great, this again. One of the reasons I decided not to play ME 2 was because of the ****ty text size (I did play the demo). I'll just see on March 2nd how bad it is, when the demo goes live for Live Silver, since i'm not going to spend 15 euros on a Gold membership for a demo that potentially makes me want to strangle people.

Modifié par Juggernaught203, 27 février 2011 - 06:10 .

[TooRotten]

Not trying to start a forum fight. Just wondering if anyone here knows (cause I don't), the work that is needed in order to make it 'read-able' on your SDTV. Which makes me wonder, why haven't you upgraded your TV by now? I don't have a gaming console here, nor do I actually watch things on my TV, have everything on my computer. Yet I do have a HDTV. I don't have a VCR, why? Cause it was just natural to change into a dvd-player when they stopped producing VC's and began with DVD's.

(Not sure I am doing this right but - ) How many complaints did they have with DOA I in regards to the writing being readable? I am guessing none or close to none! So, why then did they feel the effin need to upgrade something that not a soul complained about?? I am not mad at you. But after reading through all these posts and at first thinking it was just me and after writing to EA/Bioware and getting "You should go here as we don't work in that area".......... So here I am, a technically challenged person, attempting to find out how to be able to read something I paid 60 odd dollars for ( not including having to purchase a 2nd xbox because the fist one crapped out on us, then there were the DLC... I was not complaining about that but to pre order a game, then to wait for this download content, then to actually play it - when it says FULL DEMO ( doesn't that mean you get to actually USE the weapons that you picked up??DUH!!) So, after 1 play through I am mad that I feel sucked in and used. I am disappointed with Bioware/EA games for even trying to pull this crap on us faithful players and consumers.
Funny thing is: I too thought after the Demo - "I wonder IF I can cancel the order if they are unable ( or at this point UNWILLING ) to change the text options - because this IS bs, here are developers that have created these brilliant and vast worlds (Games) - how hard is it for them to just switch back to the old style of text???
Really, If I am spending my disability on anything it is for a new computer as this one is several years old and is really losing ability to do basics -

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

if it's not one thing.... it's another.

Complaining about text size really? ... reeeally?

that's hilarious.

[Demon Velsper]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

if it's not one thing.... it's another.

Complaining about text size really? ... reeeally?

that's hilarious.

Yeah, imagine that. People actually want to be able to read the text in a text heavy game. What a surprise. Thanks for your thoughtful input, very productive and not the least bit useless.

[SapphireFire]

Honestly, I'm surprised that there has yet to be a proper response to this. I always thought bioware was more considerate to their fans than most gaming companies out there. How difficult is it really to post in here and just confirm one way or the other? The game went gold, so I'm sure someone on their staff could just quickly pop it into a console and tell us that the text is the same size as the demo. By not responding, they're making it more than obvious that DA2 is just about the cash grab.

Modifié par SapphireFire, 27 février 2011 - 04:19 .

[NinjaMarion]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

if it's not one thing.... it's another.

Complaining about text size really? ... reeeally?

that's hilarious.

Yes, you're right. How juvenile of us to complain that the text size, in a game that's all about story and has a freaking TON of text, is unreadable. We should all be instead complaining about things like Flemeth and others looking different or that Kirkwall is the name of a real life city which makes it somehow break immersion, or perhaps just be discussing Isabella's new giant rack. In case you can't pick up on my sarcasm, those are all discussions that have been going on this whole time, that (in my opinion) are practically worthless, and that BioWare employees have responded on. Yet this issue that you clearly consider stupid, unlike those ones, will actually prevent those of us with SDTVs (Or with HDTVs but that just happen to be unlucky) from being able to even play the game due to not being able to read it.

Or to put it another way, we're complaining that we actually WANT to be able to play the game, rather than contribute to the myriad of topics *****ing about the changes. Shouldn't we, people whose main complaint is "We just want to be able to play your awesome game", be the kind of fans BioWare cares about making happy?

[Icy Magebane]

I think it's best to just ignore people who find it "hilarious" when others have a legitimate concern about a game. That attitude is childish and unworthy of respect. Some people should learn to keep quiet when adults are talking.

That said, I'm going to just keep checking back to see if Bioware actually responds to this thread (or another one related to this issue). Hopefully there will be good news, but this has gone unanswered for so long that I doubt it.

[yuncas]

Icy Magebane wrote...

I think it's best to just ignore people who find it "hilarious" when others have a legitimate concern about a game. That attitude is childish and unworthy of respect. Some people should learn to keep quiet when adults are talking.

That said, I'm going to just keep checking back to see if Bioware actually responds to this thread (or another one related to this issue). Hopefully there will be good news, but this has gone unanswered for so long that I doubt it.

Same here. For both points.

[UnholyMouse]

Played the Demo on the 360 and loved the gameplay as I did with the Original Orgins on the 360 but yes the Text is way to small, it is even more unreadable then the original text size for BK N&B when I first played that.

Would like this fixed as I have bad eye site and I am not replacing this TV as it works fine for every other game. It is WAY to early to assume every gamer has a HDTV.

Was a Great game but if you aren't going to develop with everyone in mind then the people you leave out aren't going to buy it if they can't read it.

[SorenTrigg]

Adding myself in as another person who is completely unable to read the text (dialogue responses are kinda readable, but nothing else). Spoke to a live tech support guy, after reading the forums, and he didn't help too much. Just the standard 'I'll forward this along, and you should post in the forum.' I asked specifically on the whole 'the demo being an old build' thing, and he said that there is no possible way for him to find out if the text in the final product is the same as the demo, only devs know that.

So, yeah. Not sure what else to say, but I may have to cancel my preorder as well if this doesn't get addressed (I really really don't want to, I liked this game, from what little I could play of it.)

[TheDoskias]

It's a non-issue for me since I have an HDTV, but this still sucks. It's also disheartening to see people blaming the users for still having their SDTVs. The console comes with cables to hook up to an SDTV so it very clearly is made to be compatible with SDTVs. It is, therefore, not unreasonable to expect the software that comes out for it to support SDTVs.

[sickserb]

UnholyMouse wrote...

Played the Demo on the 360 and loved the gameplay as I did with the Original Orgins on the 360 but yes the Text is way to small, it is even more unreadable then the original text size for BK N&B when I first played that.

Would like this fixed as I have bad eye site and I am not replacing this TV as it works fine for every other game. It is WAY to early to assume every gamer has a HDTV.

Was a Great game but if you aren't going to develop with everyone in mind then the people you leave out aren't going to buy it if they can't read it.

get glasses
not trying to be mean but they help a lot

[yuncas]

sickserb wrote...

UnholyMouse wrote...

Played the Demo on the 360 and loved the gameplay as I did with the Original Orgins on the 360 but yes the Text is way to small, it is even more unreadable then the original text size for BK N&B when I first played that.

Would like this fixed as I have bad eye site and I am not replacing this TV as it works fine for every other game. It is WAY to early to assume every gamer has a HDTV.

Was a Great game but if you aren't going to develop with everyone in mind then the people you leave out aren't going to buy it if they can't read it.

get glasses
not trying to be mean but they help a lot

And if you have perfect eyesight? What then?

[Giadriana]

I have an HDTV and glasses. No problem reading any other game's text. This text is seriously still so small that I can't make it out sometimes. I hate big clunky text too but this is ridiculous.

[Dragonageloverrr]

Seriously if you cant read the text get glasses

[Darth_Ravor]

had the same problem with ME2 demo. so i got an HDTV for xmas and its perfectly fine

[sickserb]

yuncas wrote...

sickserb wrote...

UnholyMouse wrote...

Played the Demo on the 360 and loved the gameplay as I did with the Original Orgins on the 360 but yes the Text is way to small, it is even more unreadable then the original text size for BK N&B when I first played that.

Would like this fixed as I have bad eye site and I am not replacing this TV as it works fine for every other game. It is WAY to early to assume every gamer has a HDTV.

Was a Great game but if you aren't going to develop with everyone in mind then the people you leave out aren't going to buy it if they can't read it.

get glasses
not trying to be mean but they help a lot

And if you have perfect eyesight? What then?

if your on SDTV, keep complaining until they come out with a  patch or toggle to make text larger

you can use the temporary fix on xbox (might be on ps3) that helped me for ME2 that stretched the screen in display settings, which helped me see better

[sickserb]

Giadriana wrote...

I have an HDTV and glasses. No problem reading any other game's text. This text is seriously still so small that I can't make it out sometimes. I hate big clunky text too but this is ridiculous.

ridiculous, get new glasses

i see it fine with glasses on HDTV

[NinjaMarion]

Dragonageloverrr wrote...

Seriously if you cant read the text get glasses

Shut up. That's all I can say about this response. Yes, it's our fault that the text is too tiny to read even though it was fine in Origins. Funny how my eyesight, which is perfect BECAUSE I have glasses, was fine for the text in that game, but now has suddenly gotten to the point I need a second pair of glasses as diagnosed by the internet doctor dragonageloverrr, even though it's still unreadable from right in front of the screen. I mean, for ****'s sake. Just because you can read it, doesn't mean everyone else can, and no matter what, it's pretty unacceptable to go from a text size that was perfectly fine and everyone was satisfied with in DA:O to one that's CLEARLY too tiny and unplayable for a decent sized portion of the audience.

And just to get a little info to see if you even comprehend the actual issue... I assume you can clearly read the text in the demo? If so, then I'd like you to tell us if you have an HDTV. Because if you do, then you clearly have no reading comprehension, as this thread is all about how it's unreadable on SDTVs, something no amount of layering pairs of glasses is going to change. And if you don't, then you're lying. It's unreadable on SD, period.

[NinjaMarion]

sickserb wrote...

Giadriana wrote...

I have an HDTV and glasses. No problem reading any other game's text. This text is seriously still so small that I can't make it out sometimes. I hate big clunky text too but this is ridiculous.

ridiculous, get new glasses

i see it fine with glasses on HDTV

Wow, do all of you have to be such elitist morons about this? This thread makes it pretty clear that pretty much ALL SDTVs are incapable of displaying this ridiculously tiny text in a readable way. What you seem to have ignored completely in your quest to rush in here and diagnose people with eye problems is that there are plenty of people with HDTVs that think the text is too small. Just because it looks fine on your HDTV doesn't mean the other person is a blind moron that needs glasses. If you'd bothered to read Giadriana's post, you'd see that this IS ONLY A PROBLEM WITH THIS GAME! Bad eyesight is bad eyesight universally. If one's eyesight is bad enough to need glasses, guess what? They will need them for ALL games! Not just be able to play Halo with perfectly clear vision but then suddenly need glasses because they switch to Dragon Age 2.

Seriously. How ****ing hard is it to understand that this is NOT a vision issue or a matter of sitting too far away or anything of the sort! The text is too ****ing small regardless of how close you are, if you're wearing glasses, if you've got a bag over your head, if you're underwater, etc. if you're on an SDTV! And in plenty of cases, if you're on an HDTV, as evidenced by this thread. I mean, how can you honestly continue to defend this? Would it really have killed anyone or hurt anything to leave the text the same size as Origins? What's that? No? It would have been perfectly fine, considering there weren't mass protests over ridiculously large fonts in Origins? Yet they chose to go with the stupidly small font... AGAIN... after they'd gotten these exact same complaints over it being too small in ME2. To keep trying to act like this is our fault somehow is completely retarded.

[RaenImrahl]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Seriously. How ****ing hard is it to understand that this is NOT a vision issue or a matter of sitting too far away or anything of the sort! The text is too ****ing small regardless of how close you are, if you're wearing glasses, if you've got a bag over your head, if you're underwater, etc. if you're on an SDTV! And in plenty of cases, if you're on an HDTV, as evidenced by this thread. I mean, how can you honestly continue to defend this? Would it really have killed anyone or hurt anything to leave the text the same size as Origins? What's that? No? It would have been perfectly fine, considering there weren't mass protests over ridiculously large fonts in Origins? Yet they chose to go with the stupidly small font... AGAIN... after they'd gotten these exact same complaints over it being too small in ME2. To keep trying to act like this is our fault somehow is completely retarded.

Friend, I am going to give you some advice... you're welcome to take this or leave this as you like. 

When I'm not playing DA or ME2 or poking around these forums, I'm a broadcast journalist and a journalism educator.  You've got a decent story here... someone out there may be interested in it.

This thread has been going on for six days and uncounted paragraphs. You'll notice neither Bioware nor EA has responded in this thread... that could be for many reasons-- they're busy people, after all.  Add to that, however, the likelihood that they don't want to get caught up in this fur ball.  Who would?

So here's that advice-- if you want to push this issue, stop pushing here.  Stop trying to convince the others on this site.  Who cares what they think?  If this is a legitimate issue for you, reach out to the news organizations that cover games and online and social networks... and tell them what's going on.  Now, your local TV or newspaper won't give a rat's ass.  The networks won't respond to your calls or e-mails.  But there are a lot of online outlets that make their bread-and-butter on gaming news.  IGN, PC Gamer, Joystiq, G4TV.com...  the places where the devs have been, hyping this new game.

Regards,

RI

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 28 février 2011 - 06:02 .

[Juggernaught203]

NinjaMarion wrote...


Wow, do all of you have to be such elitist morons about this?

Nah. My guess is they're a bunch of asskissers who are too afraid to give any form of criticism on Bioware games. There are plenty of people here who have just as much problems with the text size as you do, so I wouldn't worry about the few who are trying to be all smart with their "lulz u haz 2 learn2read" replies. Just because *they* can read it doesn't mean everyone or maybe even most others can as well.

Are you seriously suggesting we should buy a whole new tv just to be able to play one or two games, made by the same company? No thanks, my current is big enough and still works like a charm, so I can think of better things to invest my money in.