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[hamlin69]

Hammer6767 wrote...

hamlin69 wrote...
 

ps. The text on my 42 inch plasma is nice and big, I really don't know what you guys are talking about.

Are you playing the PC version at 1980x1200 resolution?  Or the Xbox/PS3 version at 720p?  That makes a big difference.  If I dropped my PC version down to 1280×720, the text would appear larger.

Xbox360/PS3 at 1080p, but I think the game only supports up to 720p.

Modifié par hamlin69, 23 février 2011 - 04:14 .

[lanmao]

I've also found the text to be quite small. I found myself constantly leaning toward my TV attempting to make out what it said.

[Akuron]

Mass Effect - Perfect.

Dragon Age: Origin - A tiny bit worse.

Mass Effect 2 - Much worse.

Dragon Age 2 - Head and eyes ache all the time. No game is more important than my good health. Therefore, I have cancelled my preorder.

[MuLepton]

Akuron wrote...

Mass Effect - Perfect.
Dragon Age: Origin - A tiny bit worse.
Mass Effect 2 - Much worse.
Dragon Age 2 - Head and eyes ache all the time. No game is more important than my good health. Therefore, I have cancelled my preorder.

You mean you're not willing to spend $200 on your health? Tsk, you need to check your priorities.

[Sesana]

MuLepton wrote...

Akuron wrote...

Mass Effect - Perfect.
Dragon Age: Origin - A tiny bit worse.
Mass Effect 2 - Much worse.
Dragon Age 2 - Head and eyes ache all the time. No game is more important than my good health. Therefore, I have cancelled my preorder.

You mean you're not willing to spend $200 on your health? Tsk, you need to check your priorities.

If I can get my insurance to pay for an HDTV as a preventative health measure (minus copay, of course) I'd be delighted. Never mind, I don't have vision coverage.

[PSUHammer]

Well, I would argue that anyone that can afford a $300 console and $60 games to go with it could save up a few hundred $$ for an HDTV in the not to distant future. If most people would look at their discretionary income and make priorities, they could probably make it work. I didn't eat out for lunch or dinner for two months and managed to save $500 once.

[NinjaMarion]

Except you're missing the point. The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to scrimp and save for months, foregoing up to FIVE to EIGHT brand new games in favor of an HDTV when we have perfectly working SDTVs that work great with 99% of the Xbox 360 or PS3 library, and is only necessary in this case because of BioWare's baffling decision to continually make the text smaller and worse despite complaints.



And that's only if you do have a steady source of disposable income. If you don't, like me and many other gamers, this forces you to choose between your typical new game maybe five times a year and no games for a year just to save for a crappy quality TV. It's completely insane to HAVE to buy a new TV when I've got one that works great for 99% of the things I need it for just because BioWare won't make the text a few pixels bigger (Text, mind you, that some HDTV users even are complaining is rather hard to read).

[Virtuous Lumox]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Well, I would argue that anyone that can afford a $300 console and $60 games to go with it could save up a few hundred $$ for an HDTV in the not to distant future.

I'm actually surprised people are still talking about this.  4 pages!  5
years after the start of this console generation?  I totally understand
slow adoption of new tech.  I only just got my HDTV last year.  Got it
at the same time as my 360.  Got it because of the 360.  I knew I would
need an HDTV to adequately enjoy the 360 or PS3, so I saved until I
could buy both and HDTV and a console.  I had been using the same 19"
SDTV for 17 years before the new HDTV.  There just comes a time when you
have no choice but to upgrade for one reason or another.  The 360 was
my reason and I suspect it was the same reason for many people here.  My
point is, unless you've been playing Xbox originals on your 360 or
games without text for the past 5 years the fact that DA2 is hard to
read on an SDTV should not come as a surprise.

[kyles3]

It comes as a surprise when every other game you play works just fine.

[NinjaMarion]

Addicted2Anime wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Well, I would argue that anyone that can afford a $300 console and $60 games to go with it could save up a few hundred $$ for an HDTV in the not to distant future.

I'm actually surprised people are still talking about this.  4 pages!  5
years after the start of this console generation?  I totally understand
slow adoption of new tech.  I only just got my HDTV last year.  Got it
at the same time as my 360.  Got it because of the 360.  I knew I would
need an HDTV to adequately enjoy the 360 or PS3, so I saved until I
could buy both and HDTV and a console.  I had been using the same 19"
SDTV for 17 years before the new HDTV.  There just comes a time when you
have no choice but to upgrade for one reason or another.  The 360 was
my reason and I suspect it was the same reason for many people here.  My
point is, unless you've been playing Xbox originals on your 360 or
games without text for the past 5 years the fact that DA2 is hard to
read on an SDTV should not come as a surprise.

Jesus Christ, really? So because approximately five games refused to make their text readable for SD, it's our fault we haven't thrown out perfectly working TVs and spent money we don't have to buy HDTVs? You can act like this is the norm all you want, however there's very few games that have had the text too small to read pretty much at all on the 360. Dead Rising and now Dragon Age 2 are the only ones I've ever seen be this bad about, with Mass Effect 2 and Ratchet & Clank: Nuts & Bolts also having those issues. And it was complained about so badly for Ratchet & Clank, that they issued a patch. BioWare claimed they had looked into it but COULDN'T patch ME2 to fix the text. So if that's the case, why in God's name would you then go with the exact same coding and problem on your next game? They now KNOW it's an issue and should have known better, but instead they've made it WORSE and even smaller! And as for HD being the norm and "You bought an HD console, so buy an HDTV" stuff, it's NOT just an HD console! You know that cable that MS packs in with the 360? The one that has SD a/v cables? That's because the console is also SD.

It's a simple fix for an issue that they are creating. I don't care if HDTVs are now the norm (As of may last year, 65% penetration rate, meaning 35% of people still have SDTVs), it's absolutely baffling to intentionally do something that's going to exclude the minority when you could easily design something that works for BOTH. Seriously, the sheer number of HD / BioWare apologists blaming this on us for not having $300-600 to throw away on an HDTV just for one game when there's NO need for it and no reason this was done is insane. It wasn't this bad in DA:O. 99% of other Xbox360 games aren't this bad. There was no indication this was going to be the case ahead of time before putting down preorders and there's no reason it should be this way when they could have EASILY satisfied both camps rather than needlessly driving people away. I've been incredibly psyched for this game for months and months now and talking it up to my other RPG-playing friends, and have had my preorder in for months, yet now I might not even be able to play it without spending hundreds of dollars, that I don't have, on a new TV. Absolutely stupid.

[Sesana]

Addicted2Anime wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Well, I would argue that anyone that can afford a $300 console and $60 games to go with it could save up a few hundred $$ for an HDTV in the not to distant future.

I'm actually surprised people are still talking about this.  4 pages!  5
years after the start of this console generation?  I totally understand
slow adoption of new tech.  I only just got my HDTV last year.  Got it
at the same time as my 360.  Got it because of the 360.  I knew I would
need an HDTV to adequately enjoy the 360 or PS3, so I saved until I
could buy both and HDTV and a console.  I had been using the same 19"
SDTV for 17 years before the new HDTV.  There just comes a time when you
have no choice but to upgrade for one reason or another.  The 360 was
my reason and I suspect it was the same reason for many people here.  My
point is, unless you've been playing Xbox originals on your 360 or
games without text for the past 5 years the fact that DA2 is hard to
read on an SDTV should not come as a surprise.

But it does come as a surprise, because every single game that I have ever played on my 360 with heavy text have been easy to read, EXCEPT DA2 and ME2. Every. Single. One. And for me, the text in the demo isn't difficult to read, it's impossible to read. The game is entirely unplayable. If Bioware only wants to sell to people with HDTVs, they need to start putting it on the box and stop ripping off the roughly 35% of their audience who have SDTVs. Because foisting an unplayable game off on unsuspecting consumers is fraud.

It would be really nice if a developer would address this somewhere. I tried contacting Bioware support and was blown off. I can't very well consult the strategy guide for a game that hasn't even been released yet, can I?

[T9XKR3W]

Still no response from Bioware...?

[kyles3]

Fair play to Bioware, maybe they did try to improve the text from ME2. Played the DA2 demo today and it's much easier to read text on my SDTV than in ME2. Only time I have to squint is when the text is white on white.



Still, it sucks that this continues to be a problem for people.

[RaenImrahl]

First... in the interest of full disclosure, played it on PC with a 25" monitor at 1920x1080 and it looked fine.

Now... for those grousing about HDTV's or penny-pinching in regards to same... take a deep breath. If the text is too small it's too small. Small text on a 25" monitor may be sharp and readable... but when it's scaled up to a 40" HDTV or greater... then it's going to remain relatively small, but it's also going to be less distinct. It's how the technology works... the pixels in your HDTV are bigger than the pixels in your average monitor running at the same resolution. So unless  you're planning to sit as close to our HDTV as you do your PC monitor... it ain't gonna work. So plunking down a wad of cash just to play this game is going to be a waste.

I'm not a big console player... so here's my question:  do other games come with a setting to change text size?  I haven't seen that on a PC game in ages.

EDIT:  BTW... the reverse is true too.  If you're playing on a SDTV... play the game on a SMALLER one.  Seriously... it will improve the clarity of the text.  A 27 - 32" TV is probably the worst option for displaying smaller text at 480i, which is what the game will be displaying at.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 24 février 2011 - 05:20 .

[Franpa]

They need scalable text regardless, I find the text small on my Full HD computer screen. I find the text small in WoW too but there you can scale any and all text to your liking which is awesome. I also find text small on the majority of web browsers so I have a addon for firefox that scales all text to 120%, only some sites/forums properly scale up the text for HD users.

[cihimi]

wow. lol.

[manneger]

Sure we could all save up the money to buy a HDTV so we can play DA2. But as i mentioned in an earlier post, by the time i have enough money to buy a HDTV i might as well choose to buy Skyrim and a bunch of other games instead of buying a new TV just to play DA2.

[Alyka]

NinjaMarion wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Buying an HD console for an SD TV is not the brightest move in my opinion. It should be the other way around, you get the TV first, then the devices you want to connect to it.

Except I, and many others DIDN'T buy an HD console. I bought an X-Box 360 that works perfectly fine on a CRT TV with composite cables as long as the developers don't stupidly decide to go with the smallest possible font, and also happens to do HD as well SHOULD YOU PREFER. I shouldn't have to shell out $300+ for an HDTV just because the dev doesn't want to make the font slightly bigger or add in a setting specifically for SDTVs.

Aside from Dead Rising (Which Capcom was majorly complained at for not patching in larger text that was readable on SD, this is the only game I've had this bad of a problem with, despite all of you guys' "All games do this now since it's an HDTV!" stance. In this case, it's actually WORSE than most others simply because it was ledgible in DA: O / Awakenings. The font was just fine in that, and that was on the same "HD console", yet to read the text in this game easily, I'd need a freaking set of binoculars.

Playing for that half hour (Well, probably hour, due to trying to actually read the text) of the demo, I not only finished with a severe headache, but now am seriously debating whether or not I should even keep my preorder if this is gonna be the case in the final. It's basically completely unreadable if you don't have an HDTV, and there's no way I'm going out and buying an HDTV just because of this game.

QFT.I hope they fix this/release a patch.

[Virtuous Lumox]

I just want to point out that DA2 isn't the only game that would benefit from an HDTV purchase. Every game you play will look better. Sure text is the most obvious visual detail that would benefit, but so would reticules, bullet trails, spell effects, texture details, etc. Everything will look better. My best friend has a 32"-36" SDTV (can't remember which) but when he comes over and plays on my 40" HDTV he's amazed at the difference in detail.



Don't think of it in terms of an expensive purchase for just one game. Think of it as an investment. Every game you own, and every game you will play after DA2 will benefit. And as we get further and further into the current generation more and more games will be designed for or take advantage of HD visuals. Developers want to make the best looking game they can make and aren't really concerned with the penetration of HDTVs. They're more concerned with pushing what they are capable of doing on the consoles. Keep in mind that DA2 is running on the same engine as DA:O with some very specific tweaks. Check the BioWare blog for details. http://blog.bioware.com/

[manneger]

Addicted2Anime wrote...

I just want to point out that DA2 isn't the only game that would benefit from an HDTV purchase. Every game you play will look better. Sure text is the most obvious visual detail that would benefit, but so would reticules, bullet trails, spell effects, texture details, etc. Everything will look better. My best friend has a 32"-36" SDTV (can't remember which) but when he comes over and plays on my 40" HDTV he's amazed at the difference in detail.

Don't think of it in terms of an expensive purchase for just one game. Think of it as an investment. Every game you own, and every game you will play after DA2 will benefit. And as we get further and further into the current generation more and more games will be designed for or take advantage of HD visuals. Developers want to make the best looking game they can make and aren't really concerned with the penetration of HDTVs. They're more concerned with pushing what they are capable of doing on the consoles. Keep in mind that DA2 is running on the same engine as DA:O with some very specific tweaks. Check the BioWare blog for details. http://blog.bioware.com/

Yeah, of course i will want to buy a HDTV at some point. You are right that it something that should be seen as an investment. But that really doesnt help out in the situation where we are now, where lots of us will be unable to play the game just because (as far as we know) Bioware havent bothered to make the text in the game compatible with an SDTV. And i'm sure you can agree that making the text slightly bigger, or maybe better yet adding an option to have the text slightly bigger if needed/wanted, wouldnt have much of a negative impact on those playing on a HDTV who still would be able to enjoy the nicer textures and all. 

[xX N7 Xx]

Stop saying "an" HD, it's "A" HD. An only comes before vowels, this is basic stuff.

[manneger]

Offtopic.. But couldnt resist.

xX N7 Xx wrote...

Stop saying "an" HD, it's "A" HD. An only comes before vowels, this is basic stuff.

I'm not a native english speaker, and you are probsbly right in, but isnt it actually "an" only comes after a vowelSOUND? Example: An hour.. At least i thought so.

And now this is maybe completely off, but if the above is correct,then if you pronounce the abbreviation as a word "eich dii" rather than view it as an abbreviation of High Definition, then wouldnt "an eich di" be correct? Or would you still say "a eich di" ?

For clarification, as far as i can tell after looking it up it would depend on how you pronounce it. Personally i say "eich di". In which case it begins with a vowel sound and should have "an". See wiki on english indfinite articles: 

"An" is employed in speech to remove the awkward glottal stop (momentary silent pause) that is otherwise required between "a" and a following word. For example, "an X-ray"
is less awkward to pronounce than "a X-ray," which has a glottal stop
between "a" and "X-ray".
---

Anyway, i noticed i wrote "an sdtv" now that you point it out, which obviously would be wrong either way. But i think most people would understand anyway.

/end off topic

Modifié par manneger, 24 février 2011 - 12:46 .

[MuLepton]

kyles3 wrote...

It comes as a surprise when every other game you play works just fine.

And it comes even more as a surprise when there was exactly the same probelm with Mass Effect 2. If you go back to that discussion, there were a lot of suggestions from players that the easy solution would be to implement a toggle in the options for the font size.
Bioware acknowledged that the problem exists, but said they couldn't patch something like that in due to the limited size MS allows for title updates.

So, instead of including a possible toggle in the base game, they... just forgot about it again? Bottom line will be that if you have a SDTV, you're just out of luck, sorry (I have an HDTV, but I feel your pain),

[PSUHammer]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Except you're missing the point. The point is that we shouldn't HAVE to scrimp and save for months, foregoing up to FIVE to EIGHT brand new games in favor of an HDTV when we have perfectly working SDTVs that work great with 99% of the Xbox 360 or PS3 library, and is only necessary in this case because of BioWare's baffling decision to continually make the text smaller and worse despite complaints.

And that's only if you do have a steady source of disposable income. If you don't, like me and many other gamers, this forces you to choose between your typical new game maybe five times a year and no games for a year just to save for a crappy quality TV. It's completely insane to HAVE to buy a new TV when I've got one that works great for 99% of the things I need it for just because BioWare won't make the text a few pixels bigger (Text, mind you, that some HDTV users even are complaining is rather hard to read).

Well, I disagree with your analysis completely.  That's like saying I don't want to HAVE to buy a color TV to take advantage of movies shot in Technicolor when my old black and white set works just fine.  The 360 and PS3 are HD generation consoles designed for HDTVs.  HDTVs have been out for a generation, now.

You are on the back end of the technological bell curve, my friend.  A few years ago I had a VCR that worked great, too, but that didn't stop VHS tapes from becoming extinct.  Look, I feel bad that you can't read the text and maybe Bioware should include a font scaler (I want one for the PC).  But to assume developers need to continue to cater to standard definition sets is not realistic at this point.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2011 - 01:08 .

[PSUHammer]

Franpa wrote...

They need scalable text regardless, I find the text small on my Full HD computer screen. I find the text small in WoW too but there you can scale any and all text to your liking which is awesome. I also find text small on the majority of web browsers so I have a addon for firefox that scales all text to 120%, only some sites/forums properly scale up the text for HD users.

You don't need an addon for that.  Just hold the Control key and spin your mouse wheel to raise/lower the fonts in browsers.