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[NinjaMarion]

Hammer6767 wrote...

While I totally agree with you, here, I
think you are dealing with folks who don't really care about any of
that and just want to hold onto what they have.  In the end, they will
be forced to buy an HDTV as media will stop catering to them soon.  It
happens with all technology and there are always people on the back end
of the curve who still hold on to the end.  (My uncle is one of those
people still proudly playing his albums on an ancient record player!)

If
money was the issue, it isn't an excuse anymore as I just saw a 22"
HDTV monitor on Craigs List for $75.  If someone really wanted an HD
monitor or TV, they could get one.

No. NO NO NO NO! You don't get to say what is and isn't an issue! For one, Craigslist is very regional. Just because there's someone unloading an HD monitor near you for $75 (And a 22 inch one, which from across a room will probably still be difficult to read, as there's been posts here from people with 40 inch monitors that think the text is too small), doesn't mean there is one near everyone. And even IF there's someone near me offering an HDTV for $60, then guess what? I STILL won't be getting this game then, as it would literally come down to me having to choose to spend that money on the monitor instead of the game. You don't get to say what people can and can't afford, so STOP acting like we're a-holes for not having the extra money to go out and frivolously buy a new HDTV right this second for this ONE game. And say it all you want, but that's what it would be for. ONE game. Yes, as time goes on, more and more stuff will be catered specifically or solely to HD. But right now, I don't give a crap about graphics and 99.99% of 360 games look just fine on my perfectly working SDTV and can't afford to get an HDTV yet. There's only about 4 or so Xbox games where it's this bad to the point that it's nearly unplayable.

hamlin69 wrote...

JustinDP wrote...

People are still using the "just buy HD television sets!" solution? Really? REALLY?

VHS's, and Black and White TVs have been out of date (and I mean completely, as in phased out in even the smallest of percentages) for like a decade. If you argue that HD has taken over, you're likely to only be able to justify a year or two. Just because you have one does not, in fact, mean they are the current norm. I have one too. I also have two standard definition television sets in the house. Do you know why I have one? Because on Black Friday there was a sale that docked the price of a $600 set by $300. Thus making it a deal that could not be ignored, considering at the time my birthday ensured I had a fair bit more scratch than usual.

It would be far more accurate to say that HD is in the process of becoming the norm, but has not quite reached it. BluRay hasn't overtaken DVD. 3D hasn't overtaken the movie viewing experience completely. HD hasn't completely overtaken standard definition. And it will continue to not do so for a couple more years, until which point where -nothing- works properly without HD. I.e. that would be when every game on the 360 requires it to read the text properly. Currently we're looking at a cool 1% if we're being generous. A percentage that does not a new television purchase make.

I don't know where you live but where I am from, SDTV's are the past, just like VHS.

No. They really aren't. Have you completely ignored every time where I cited that the HD penetration rate is only around 65%? And even if you ignore the fact that 35% is still a significant number, I then explained that this means that 65% of households have ONE HDTV. The number of households fully on only HDTV is certainly smaller than that, and probably lower than the percentage of households that still have SDTVs in them. This magical "Everyone only has HDTVs" land you live in is still at least 2-5 years off, if not further. Have you ever stopped to think WHY cable companies and satellite providers get to quibble over who has the most HD channels? Because HD, even in regular TV programming, still has not become the default. SD channels still outnumber HD on virtually every television provider there is. HD is NOT the defaul norm to the extent you people seem to think it is. It's popular, and gaining more and more as time goes on, but it's FAR from the only thing still.

[hamlin69]

OpDDay2001 wrote...

I just had an "enlightening" conversation with one of the technical support people about this issue.

[12:17:49 PM] 766602790: To put it another way: Will the Retail Release support SDTV Resolution and/or have a higher DPI on text?
[12:18:32 PM] [Tech]: I apologize for the inconvenience experienced by you.
[12:21:08 PM] [Tech]: This demo games are released for checking what the error are in the game. And I appreciate your feedback regarding this
[12:21:57 PM] [Tech]: I am going to forward this feedback to the development team and they will look into the issue

If you're not aware, that response basically boils down to "I don't know. Probably not." At least, that's how I'm reading it. Ugh. I'm not at all satisfied with this. Though, to be honest, I never expected a straight answer to begin with.

Hmm that tech support didn't speak english very well.

[NinjaMarion]

hamlin69 wrote...

manneger wrote...

hamlin69 wrote...
Dragon age was designed for HDTV's/PC's. Its a high resolution game. Playing it on a SDTV will look distorted(small text, stretched etc). The only solution is to get a HDTV. If you can't afford one well you will have to deal with a distorted image.

So the ONLY solution is to buy an HD?
Yet many other games manage to not have the text problem, and some games even have an option to increase text size. In what way would those two "solutions" not be solutions?

I think you have a poor understanding of either the word only, or of what the problem that we want a solution to is.

Sorry I should of put the "easiest" solution.

And to steal a sentence from manneger, "I think you have a poor understanding of either the word easiest, or of what the problem that we want a solution to is."

They were aware of this issue from ME2. They could have programmed the text larger or put in an option to scale the text from the very beginning or very early in development. Then all groups would be happy. HD owners could have their crisp, pretty small text that BioWare seems to think is necessary to the presentation, and SD owners could, you know... read the game and actually be able to play it without having to shell out hundreds of extra dollars. THAT'S the easiest solution.

[OpDDay2001]

hamlin69 wrote...
Hmm that tech support didn't speak english very well.

That bothered me too, but I was trying to be polite because Tech Support is a rather difficult and annoying job. Being mean to the person just makes it worse. It doesn't help that I'm overly verbose (I didn't include most of what I had said, including the parts about getting a headache and having to sit 5 inches away from the screen to really be able to play).

[hamlin69]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

While I totally agree with you, here, I
think you are dealing with folks who don't really care about any of
that and just want to hold onto what they have.  In the end, they will
be forced to buy an HDTV as media will stop catering to them soon.  It
happens with all technology and there are always people on the back end
of the curve who still hold on to the end.  (My uncle is one of those
people still proudly playing his albums on an ancient record player!)

If
money was the issue, it isn't an excuse anymore as I just saw a 22"
HDTV monitor on Craigs List for $75.  If someone really wanted an HD
monitor or TV, they could get one.

No. NO NO NO NO! You don't get to say what is and isn't an issue! For one, Craigslist is very regional. Just because there's someone unloading an HD monitor near you for $75 (And a 22 inch one, which from across a room will probably still be difficult to read, as there's been posts here from people with 40 inch monitors that think the text is too small), doesn't mean there is one near everyone. And even IF there's someone near me offering an HDTV for $60, then guess what? I STILL won't be getting this game then, as it would literally come down to me having to choose to spend that money on the monitor instead of the game. You don't get to say what people can and can't afford, so STOP acting like we're a-holes for not having the extra money to go out and frivolously buy a new HDTV right this second for this ONE game. And say it all you want, but that's what it would be for. ONE game. Yes, as time goes on, more and more stuff will be catered specifically or solely to HD. But right now, I don't give a crap about graphics and 99.99% of 360 games look just fine on my perfectly working SDTV and can't afford to get an HDTV yet. There's only about 4 or so Xbox games where it's this bad to the point that it's nearly unplayable.

hamlin69 wrote...

JustinDP wrote...

People are still using the "just buy HD television sets!" solution? Really? REALLY?

VHS's, and Black and White TVs have been out of date (and I mean completely, as in phased out in even the smallest of percentages) for like a decade. If you argue that HD has taken over, you're likely to only be able to justify a year or two. Just because you have one does not, in fact, mean they are the current norm. I have one too. I also have two standard definition television sets in the house. Do you know why I have one? Because on Black Friday there was a sale that docked the price of a $600 set by $300. Thus making it a deal that could not be ignored, considering at the time my birthday ensured I had a fair bit more scratch than usual.

It would be far more accurate to say that HD is in the process of becoming the norm, but has not quite reached it. BluRay hasn't overtaken DVD. 3D hasn't overtaken the movie viewing experience completely. HD hasn't completely overtaken standard definition. And it will continue to not do so for a couple more years, until which point where -nothing- works properly without HD. I.e. that would be when every game on the 360 requires it to read the text properly. Currently we're looking at a cool 1% if we're being generous. A percentage that does not a new television purchase make.

I don't know where you live but where I am from, SDTV's are the past, just like VHS.

No. They really aren't. Have you completely ignored every time where I cited that the HD penetration rate is only around 65%? And even if you ignore the fact that 35% is still a significant number, I then explained that this means that 65% of households have ONE HDTV. The number of households fully on only HDTV is certainly smaller than that, and probably lower than the percentage of households that still have SDTVs in them. This magical "Everyone only has HDTVs" land you live in is still at least 2-5 years off, if not further. Have you ever stopped to think WHY cable companies and satellite providers get to quibble over who has the most HD channels? Because HD, even in regular TV programming, still has not become the default. SD channels still outnumber HD on virtually every television provider there is. HD is NOT the defaul norm to the extent you people seem to think it is. It's popular, and gaining more and more as time goes on, but it's FAR from the only thing still.

Instead of us arguing back and forth lets just say this.


HDTV's hold the majority share in peoples homes(65% according to your research)
I assume bioware created the game based on the majority of people having HDTV's, they could potentially satisfy more customers (35%) by having an option to increase font size.

Time to go home from work.

[JustinDP]

I can't help but be slightly amused by the fact that despite the fact I own, and am currently using an HD television I've been grouped in with the "people who are holding onto the past, and refuse to update their technology." I think most people just read the first sentence somebody says, and then already begin ranting before they fully comprehend what is being said.

I also own a BluRay DVD player (Playstation 3). I won a whopping two actual BluRay DVDs. One of which came with the Playstation 3. In fact I also own an X-Box 360 Elite, a Wii, a DS, a PSP, and a PC. So yeah, for me updating was an option. Unfortunately, being that a great deal of the posters here are American, like myself (Massachussetts, since the one dude asked where I was from), and the job market is about as strong as Australia's current resistance to water this is not the norm.

Hence, while it's not a problem for me I have absolutely, positively no problem playing devil's advocate and seeing things from the other side of the coin. And as I said before: despite the fact I am playing on a HD television, which is in fact fairly close to where I'm sitting to the point where just plain distance from the screen can't be the reason for the difficulty there were still sections of the demo in which the text was exceedingly difficult to read. Now, mostly this is due to the terrible decision of having white text over a white-like skyline, but I digress. It isn't difficult to understand how the text could use a little fixup. And that is all people are asking for. And it should be a relatively quick fix. Throw an outline over the text so it pops out at you like Mike Tyson's fist popped out at Robin Givens.

Modifié par JustinDP, 24 février 2011 - 08:57 .

[NinjaMarion]

hamlin69 wrote...

Instead of us arguing back and forth lets just say this.


HDTV's hold the majority share in peoples homes(65% according to your research)
I assume bioware created the game based on the majority of people having HDTV's, they could potentially satisfy more customers (35%) by having an option to increase font size.

Time to go home from work.

Except they're not. That 65% doesn't mean a majority. That 65% means that 65% of homes HAVE AN HDTV. One. Most homes have more than one television. So even once the penetration rate hits 100%, that still means nothing as to HDTVs finally being the only thing out there. A 100% penetration rate would still only equal 50% actual HDTV rate if all of those homes were two TV households that also have an SDTV. My house has 6 TVs. Two of them are HD and four are SD. So even though my house would count in that 65% penetration rate, my house only has a 33% adoption rate. They aren't nearly as numerous as most in this thread act.

Vector C wrote...

While NinjaMarion and Justin DP has
pretty much said anything I could to comment on this, I would like to
tie a nice little bow on one simple point: Bioware and EA will make more
money if there is an option to make text bigger or a similar fix for
this problem.

Argue about the importance of an HDtv all you want.
You can't ignore the large number of people unable to play the game
because of the text that have been stating just as much, many of which
have also stated that they consider cancelling their pre-orders. A game
that is less accessible will not sell as one that is playable by all its
fans. Sure it'll still sell great numbers because it's Dragon Age and
because it's a Bioware game in general. But more is a hell of a lot
better and you can not expect anyone to believe that any kind of text
fix would be a difficult thing to do.

I truly do love this post because of the one point that bolded sentence brings up: Accessibility. Many of the hardcore Dragon Age / BioWare RPG fans have complained about the Dragon Effect changes made since Origins to make it cater more to non-hardcore DA / BioWare RPG fans. In other words, BioWare changed the game to make it... MORE ACCESSIBLE to a larger player base, rather than just catering to the hardcore series / dev fans. So what possible sense does it make when you've already changed a good chunk of your game for accesibility's sake at the risk of alienating your true fanbase when you're just gonnna shoot yourself in the foot by ignoring something like this (which WAS brought to their attention due to it being a problem in ME2) that you can easily fix to be more accessible WITHOUT alienating anyone?

[PSUHammer]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

While I totally agree with you, here, I
think you are dealing with folks who don't really care about any of
that and just want to hold onto what they have.  In the end, they will
be forced to buy an HDTV as media will stop catering to them soon.  It
happens with all technology and there are always people on the back end
of the curve who still hold on to the end.  (My uncle is one of those
people still proudly playing his albums on an ancient record player!)

If
money was the issue, it isn't an excuse anymore as I just saw a 22"
HDTV monitor on Craigs List for $75.  If someone really wanted an HD
monitor or TV, they could get one.

No. NO NO NO NO! You don't get to say what is and isn't an issue! For one, Craigslist is very regional. Just because there's someone unloading an HD monitor near you for $75 (And a 22 inch one, which from across a room will probably still be difficult to read, as there's been posts here from people with 40 inch monitors that think the text is too small), doesn't mean there is one near everyone. And even IF there's someone near me offering an HDTV for $60, then guess what? I STILL won't be getting this game then, as it would literally come down to me having to choose to spend that money on the monitor instead of the game. You don't get to say what people can and can't afford, so STOP acting like we're a-holes for not having the extra money to go out and frivolously buy a new HDTV right this second for this ONE game. And say it all you want, but that's what it would be for. ONE game. Yes, as time goes on, more and more stuff will be catered specifically or solely to HD. But right now, I don't give a crap about graphics and 99.99% of 360 games look just fine on my perfectly working SDTV and can't afford to get an HDTV yet. There's only about 4 or so Xbox games where it's this bad to the point that it's nearly unplayable.

Um, ok dude.  I don't really care anyway so get emotional all you want.  I still stand by what I said and am not calling anyone an "a-hole".  I would appreciate it if you would stop claiming that I made statements that I clearly didn't.

Get an HDTV or don't.  If you would only use it for DA2, that's your problem.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[Sesana]

You're sure acting like the only reason we don't have massive HDTVs is because we're too stupid to buy one. That's not the reason, and you're willfully not getting it. IF I HAD THE MONEY I WOULD HAVE AN HDTV. It's not because I'm too stupid to realize that HDTVs have prettier pictures. It's not because I'm too stubborn to get new tech. It's not to annoy you. IF I HAD THE MONEY I WOULD HAVE AN HDTV. I wouldn't have typed that, twice, in all caps if you didn't seem like you were incapable of understanding that IF I HAD THE MONEY I WOULD HAVE AN HDTV. I'm not going to run out and buy a crappy, tiny HDTV to replace my nice, big SDTV just because you think I should. I'm going to save my money until I can buy a nice, big HDTV to replace my nice, big SDTV. And if that means that BioWare doesn't want my business, that's BioWare's problem, not mine. I'll give my patronage to other developers.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see why people are defending the small text, having an option for bigger text would only be beneficial for everybody, HDTV or no. Unless somebody likes having an option that makes people miserable, at that point you'd need to get your priorities straight and realize there's the hearing impaired out there that rely on subtitles.

Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts fixed it with a patch, let's hope Bioware can do the same.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 février 2011 - 10:07 .

[Sesana]

OpDDay2001 wrote...

I just had an "enlightening" conversation with one of the technical support people about this issue.

[12:17:49 PM] 766602790: To put it another way: Will the Retail Release support SDTV Resolution and/or have a higher DPI on text?
[12:18:32 PM] [Tech]: I apologize for the inconvenience experienced by you.
[12:21:08 PM] [Tech]: This demo games are released for checking what the error are in the game. And I appreciate your feedback regarding this
[12:21:57 PM] [Tech]: I am going to forward this feedback to the development team and they will look into the issue

If you're not aware, that response basically boils down to "I don't know. Probably not." At least, that's how I'm reading it. Ugh. I'm not at all satisfied with this. Though, to be honest, I never expected a straight answer to begin with.

Your conversation went better than mine. The chat rep told me that he couldn't answer my question, so he'd relay it to a "senior" rep via email. I got an email a few hours later that told me to post on the forum, try IGN, GameSpot, or GameFAQs, or consult the strategy guide for a game that hasn't even been released yet. You at least got a polite answer, I was essentially told to buzz off.

[kyles3]

DaBigDragon wrote...

It is a complete waste of money to get a current generation console and use it on an SD TV.

I'm firmly in the non-gripey category at this point because I can read the text just fine, but I read this statement and just had to express my gratitude.

I was completely unaware that I wasted money on magnificent games like DA:O, ME2, Red Dead Redemption, and Demon's Souls. Here I was thinking I had all these wonderful experiences, but all that time I was wrong. I guess I really didn't enjoy those games. I guess they were all a complete waste of my money. And all because my television is outdated.

To think that all this time I had no idea. I've been living a lie. Thank you, dear stranger, for setting me straight.

*FACEPALM*

[Vector C]

Ha! Kyles, that is exactly what I thought when I read that statement. I thank you for your excellent use of sarcasm.

[NinjaMarion]

Sesana wrote...

OpDDay2001 wrote...

I just had an "enlightening" conversation with one of the technical support people about this issue.

[12:17:49 PM] 766602790: To put it another way: Will the Retail Release support SDTV Resolution and/or have a higher DPI on text?
[12:18:32 PM] [Tech]: I apologize for the inconvenience experienced by you.
[12:21:08 PM] [Tech]: This demo games are released for checking what the error are in the game. And I appreciate your feedback regarding this
[12:21:57 PM] [Tech]: I am going to forward this feedback to the development team and they will look into the issue

If you're not aware, that response basically boils down to "I don't know. Probably not." At least, that's how I'm reading it. Ugh. I'm not at all satisfied with this. Though, to be honest, I never expected a straight answer to begin with.

Your conversation went better than mine. The chat rep told me that he couldn't answer my question, so he'd relay it to a "senior" rep via email. I got an email a few hours later that told me to post on the forum, try IGN, GameSpot, or GameFAQs, or consult the strategy guide for a game that hasn't even been released yet. You at least got a polite answer, I was essentially told to buzz off.

Mine went with the CSR telling me that the game isn't out yet, and that once it is, I can download the demo and full version. When I then pointed out I was playing the demo and it is out and reiterated the question, he responded by saying the full version "should have readable text". I assumed at that point he was just trying to shut me up and keep me from cancelling my preorder.

[Sesana]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Mine went with the CSR telling me that the game isn't out yet, and that once it is, I can download the demo and full version. When I then pointed out I was playing the demo and it is out and reiterated the question, he responded by saying the full version "should have readable text". I assumed at that point he was just trying to shut me up and keep me from cancelling my preorder.

Which is having the exact opposite effect on me. If I can't get a straight answer, I have to cancel my preorder. Giving me the runaround for a few weeks isn't going to make me shut up and hand over my wallet. On the contrary, it's making me a lot more likely to never even consider buying a BioWare game again.

[T9XKR3W]

What reason is there to even have incomprehensibly small text? Sure it's great on the pc when you are on a smaller screen and sitting a foot away, but on a console game it is completely unescessary.

[Sesana]

T9XKR3W wrote...

What reason is there to even have incomprehensibly small text? Sure it's great on the pc when you are on a smaller screen and sitting a foot away, but on a console game it is completely unescessary.

That's a very good question, and I was just wondering the same thing myself. I've seen people say that it's tiny to optimize it for HD. My question is, in what way does that make it optimal? Doesn't it just make the text smaller? Sure, in HD the smaller text would still be nice and crisp. But surely you could also have slightly larger text that was also nice and crisp. I just don't see what the advantage would be for somebody with an HDTV to make the text as small as possible.

[NinjaMarion]

Sesana wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

Mine went with the CSR telling me that the game isn't out yet, and that once it is, I can download the demo and full version. When I then pointed out I was playing the demo and it is out and reiterated the question, he responded by saying the full version "should have readable text". I assumed at that point he was just trying to shut me up and keep me from cancelling my preorder.

Which is having the exact opposite effect on me. If I can't get a straight answer, I have to cancel my preorder. Giving me the runaround for a few weeks isn't going to make me shut up and hand over my wallet. On the contrary, it's making me a lot more likely to never even consider buying a BioWare game again.

Exactly. Unless we hear from BioWare in one of these threads that it's been fixed, a bunch of us are almost certainly going to be cancelling beforehand over this, despite highly anticipating this game. I'm crushed by the prospect of having to cancel and skip the game, but if it's unreadable, it's pretty much unplayable and won't give much enjoyment anyway. The only glimmer of hope so far is that it's kind of readable if I flip my entier 360 over to widescreen mode (which distorts the menu and any other game I play on it.), and that just makes it a bit clearer. The text is still unreasonably small even then.

[Mustang678]

Basing your argument on "360 and PS3 games are made for HDTVs so this is a unfixable issue" is stupid when even Bioware has released games on these consoles without issue for SD users

[Sesana]

Games like Dragon Age: Origins, for example. Maybe you've heard of it?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Doesn't the size of your TV and how far you are away from it also effect how easy it is to read text? Yenno, if you had a 20 inch across an average sized room it would be hard to read, no?

[Demon Velsper]

Still looking for an official response to this. Do I need to cancel my pre-order or what?

[T9XKR3W]

Demon Velsper wrote...

Still looking for an official response to this. Do I need to cancel my pre-order or what?

This.

[NinjaMarion]

T9XKR3W wrote...

Demon Velsper wrote...

Still looking for an official response to this. Do I need to cancel my pre-order or what?

This.

Yep. Would be really nice to get an answer on this.

[Archideas]

I've pretty much read through the whole thread so far and my fanboyism for BioWare is starting to die. Here people are asking for an honest answer to a very important question and there's been no response so far.

"Sorry for the inconvenience, but I will forward this to the dev team." is not an answer ANYONE would be satisfied with.

I've had the same problem reading the text on my SDTV, so I thought, alright let's try it on my HDTV. But a-nope, still an issue to read and we have a 44" HDTV downstairs. Smaller and sleeker is not the way to go just because Apple does it to their products.

So I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon and cancel my pre-order unless we get an answer from somebody in BioWare who can officially announce that they are going to, or have fixed this issue. I guess about a week from now is a reasonable time to have an answer, eh? Otherwise my pre-order goes bye bye too. <_<

Modifié par Archideas, 25 février 2011 - 08:12 .