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[The Elder King]

Zirconium wrote...

After coming to terms with the 'experience' of the demo and my first reply, all I can say is I do not understand how anyone can like the demo if they liked DAO.

- The graphics are totally bland in comparison to DAO (char models have more polys it seems, but this is only benefit)
- Lothering landscape is some bizarre nuclear-blast landscape, kind of Sci-Fi, not DAO style at all.
- The level forces you to walk along a 1m wide path. (This is particularly shocking, as games back in 2001 allowed more sideways movement in an environment you are supposedly traversing).

- And the worst offender of all - The UI is black. Thats all you can see, especially at 1600res or so. Its just black with dark brown buttons & icons. I can't see anything.

Once again - how can anyone say "I love it!" - Its totally diffeent to DAO, and contains nothing of the world-feel that DAO did.

Because people have different opinions?

[blubbolo]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

[Tanis Taynaga]

Cobopolies wrote...

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Fast paced click click click..click click D2 fatigue - Hack n slash clicker came to mind when combat started. I hear that the option for auto attack will be enabled in the full version...so why the hell would it not be available in the demo? Here I am, trying to assign attack orders to my characters, and they are standing their cause I have to keep clicking for them to swing their sword. The only thing I can see they would do this is to make it more involving for someone with a controller. While button mashing may be engaging for some, it's not quite for me, especially for a tactical RPG(Which I seem to be wrong about now, now an action rpg)

Dialog wheel, the ME2...effect - During my first playthrough with DA:O, I found myself pausing reading the dialog choices very carefully, because none had any real clear cut answer. They were always more shades of grey. When you implement this dialog wheel, as seen in ME2, you basically have A,B, C...side questions. A = picard answer, B, neutral answer, C - evil answer. Personally, it ends up disconnecting me from conversations. Now, I understand we only experienced a snippet of a game, but remember, a demo is made for a reason, to impress customers.

Other things -
The transition between the family and that tavern seen was very awkward. Was that just shortened and cut out for the demo? Who is this woman? Why am I helping her again? Very confused

The bottom line is, I love Bioware, they make rich worlds and stories. I won't judge the whole game from such a small portion. I'll still support the devs for all their hard work and buy the game. However i'm still left with an empty feeling. The rpg that required me to think and play carefully no longer exists. While that's a welcome change for a lot of people, for me, it makes me a very sad panda.

TL;DR

Dragon Age 2 is different from Dragon Age 1

100% this

[sevalaricgirl]

FemHawke wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

FemHawke wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...


Based on what? I see plenty of people praising the demo here. It seems like people will make statements like these to discredit criticism.

Some perhaps, but in general, people are more likely to speak up to complain than to praise. It's the American way, you see.

You're just pulling that out of your ass. I can look at any review system and in most cases see that more positive reviews are made for popular items than negative. Go look at random item reviews on Amazon and tell me that more people post negative things than positive.

Believe me or not, this is common knowledge, and backed by social psychology.

It's the American way????  I hardly think so.  Ever think that Americans are not afraid to have a negative opinion and to say it out loud.  As in this thread, we also say positive things out loud.

[Radamanthys213]

Finally I can post here! I made a new thread about this but now I'll add it here!!



PC demo!! On a personal level, I feel Dragon age 2 went same direction Diablo 3

went! Everyone wanted diablo 3 to be darker like 2, but in the end it up

being more colorfull "happy like" ahhahah the graphics are ok, I personally like the details on Dragon Age origins. This also the enemies move little more real... in this game all the enemies move like chimps holding a dagger over there heads! but i'll put some pros vs cons!



Pros -

-The main charecter can talk

-The dialog wheel is awesome (like ME games)

-Mages combat movement is pretty cool

-Graphics improve in some areas

-Bigger boobs?? O.O

-Some old charecters new look is pretty cool, like Flemeth and Isabella



Cons-

-Though I like the old charecters new look... I feel Isabella looks like she came out of Pirates of the pirates of the caribbean (LOL)

-Feels like Dragon Age origins remake rathan than a sequal...

-Personally feel Dragon age origins darkspawn look better this ones look too cartoony and move wierd...

-Graphics and game speed actually takes the dark feel the original DA had.

-The new spells pictures look too goofy... as if they got lazy with them.

-Feels like this game might be better on console than PC lots of PC gamers would agree with me I bet!

-Only the main charecter attacks cool... WTF was up with the girl holding the shield... all she did was stab stab stab, like a spartan who forgot what to do after stab... I mean look cool the first few times... then I notice all she did was that... It looked retared





Now I know is just a demo maybe they will improve many thigns, but I think the original Dragon age, had more feeling to it and was little more darker! I honestly think this game will not be as big as the original, but it will be a good game. Of all my friends who have played it most agree that this game was made for a console rather than PC. I will download this on my PS3 and give a review how it plays on PS3

[Talieth]

I played the xbox demo yesterday as a male warrior...

... and I am very disappointed for two main reasons.

1./ I played the first DA on PC, and enjoyed its gameplay. Here, the combat feel like button mashing. This just seems "wrong" for a game like this : if I wanted to play a beat'm all, I would rather play Bayonetta !
I have yet to test the PC version (when my pc will be repaired) to test if this is just console/pc difference.

2./ The French voice acting is really terrible, awful … and I lack more negative words to express what I felt watching, and listening, the cutscenes !
I mean, even the translations feel clunky at best. And the tone of the actor is just wrong, with no emotions in their voice.

When I take this game, I hope I will be able to choose the language, because I won't stand to have a French version for 40+ hours !

(sorry for my english, as you may have guess, its not my native language)

[AudioEpics]

I realize no one cares about what I think, but for what it's worth, I really enjoyed the demo, I think it plays better than the first game (I play on the Xbox 360) and the graphics are sharper, more vibrant and above all, the textures are better. It feels more cinematic, like Mass Effect, but it could be even more cinematic. One thing I hope for is more atmospheric locations than the dreary landscape when we're fleeing Lothering. Kirkwall looks nice but if the bulk of the game is set there, I hope the city has some surprising & cool locations to discover... I'm an explorer kinda guy. All in all, I loved the first Dragon Age and it looks like I'm gonna love this one too... Ultimately, it all depends on the story how enthusiastic I'll be but I've never been disappointed with Bioware before... (I've played Baldur's Gate 1&2, KotOR, NWN, Mass Effect 1&2 and Dragon Age).

[sevalaricgirl]

blubbolo wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

But Varrick would not say that Hawke looks completely different unless he was drunk and it doesn't appear that he is.  This is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed.

[Morroian]

Zirconium wrote...

- The graphics are totally bland in comparison to DAO (char models have more polys it seems, but this is only benefit

The graphics look clearly better than DAO IMHO the textures of the blightlands are good even if the landscape is ugly (which its meant to be)

Zirconium wrote...

- Lothering landscape is some bizarre nuclear-blast landscape, kind of Sci-Fi, not DAO style at all.

Its DA2 style and its more in accordance with the lore of teh game which is that the blight destroys the landscape. Sure its ugly but its meant to be and you only see it in a small portion of the game anyway.

Zirconium wrote...

- The level forces you to walk along a 1m wide path. (This is particularly shocking, as games back in 2001 allowed more sideways movement in an environment you are supposedly traversing).

Its essentially a tutorial level so its not a big deal.

Zirconium wrote...

- And the worst offender of all - The UI is black. Thats all you can see, especially at 1600res or so. Its just black with dark brown buttons & icons. I can't see anything.

I see it fine, IMHO its ugly but functional, the quickbar buttons stand out better than they did in DAO. I ran it at 1680x1050.

Zirconium wrote...

Once again - Its totally diffeent to DAO, and contains nothing of the world-feel that DAO did.
I don't understand how some of us cannot like it at all, and other seem to be fallign over themselves to praise it.

I think it felt like DAO with some tweaks.

Modifié par Morroian, 23 février 2011 - 12:23 .

[Nyxia]

Yrkoon wrote...
Varric has that effect on people  LOL

No, I noticed it too.  It's the lighting.  There's a ray of strange white light  shining down on Cassandra in that scene.

I see!! So her hair is dark huh.
I thought my graphic card was glitching out.

[TheRevanchist]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

blubbolo wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

But Varrick would not say that Hawke looks completely different unless he was drunk and it doesn't appear that he is.  This is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed.

It's the genaric face because that ISN'T your Hawke...thats the Hawke of legend...the one that does not exsist...so when YOUR Hawke FIRST appears on screen...its w/e face you want it to be....I fail to see the issue with this set-up.

[jimmyfi]

well i poked the demo.. i wish the targeting system would be more better.. enemy health bars should all be visible so it would be easy to click the hp bar and newk newk newk. and oh HELLO tube run much? all i saw was running in tubes and harvesting enemies down

Modifié par jimmyfi, 23 février 2011 - 12:26 .

[Morroian]

Inarborat wrote...

And plays like a console game? I've played the demo a few more times but it's about as deep as a God of War game. If you're going full action, give an action game's controls. This straddling of an rpg and action game doesn't work that well.

Wrong wrong wrong, it is able to be played tactically, the 2nd ogre fight required it. IMHO its better than DAO tactcailly because positioning looks as though it will be more important.

[catabuca]

M3T4L MU5T4NG wrote...

the problem here is that the points i didn't like were the exact one showcased in the demo. 1 we already know the hero in this game is human, elf's are people too! i like playing as a pointy eared stuck up bastard, the point of a fantasy game is to live out your fantasy (i suppose dwarfs also exist in fantasies for those of you who care for them). 2 combat, all show and no finesse. i liked the realistic feel of combat in the first game. in all honesty, can you do a backflip in the middle of combat? i can't, and i've studied martial arts for nigh unto 7 years. flips and dives and rolls are useless, and simply gimmicky. it's like kids in a candy store when people see fancy combat.

This post is priceless.

"Why can't I play an elf in a fantasy game? Fantasy games are about doing things you can't do in real life."

"You can do backflips in this fantasy game? But you can't do them in real life so it's totally unrealistic."

[sevalaricgirl]

kylecouch wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

blubbolo wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

But Varrick would not say that Hawke looks completely different unless he was drunk and it doesn't appear that he is.  This is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed.

It's the genaric face because that ISN'T your Hawke...thats the Hawke of legend...the one that does not exsist...so when YOUR Hawke FIRST appears on screen...its w/e face you want it to be....I fail to see the issue with this set-up.

I completely DISAGREE.  Hawke of legend would have red hair if your Hawke has red hair.  They're the same damned people.  Your Hawke is the Hawke of legend.  And if Bioware is going to keep it this way, then they better release a tool set so we can mod the hell out of the game.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 23 février 2011 - 12:29 .

[TheRevanchist]

catabuca wrote...

M3T4L MU5T4NG wrote...

the problem here is that the points i didn't like were the exact one showcased in the demo. 1 we already know the hero in this game is human, elf's are people too! i like playing as a pointy eared stuck up bastard, the point of a fantasy game is to live out your fantasy (i suppose dwarfs also exist in fantasies for those of you who care for them). 2 combat, all show and no finesse. i liked the realistic feel of combat in the first game. in all honesty, can you do a backflip in the middle of combat? i can't, and i've studied martial arts for nigh unto 7 years. flips and dives and rolls are useless, and simply gimmicky. it's like kids in a candy store when people see fancy combat.

This post is priceless.

"Why can't I play an elf in a fantasy game? Fantasy games are about doing things you can't do in real life."

"You can do backflips in this fantasy game? But you can't do them in real life so it's totally unrealistic."

lol...indeed...apparently the word "fantasty" does not have a definition.

[maselphie]

I hate the GUI. I hate it so much I want to create a new thread about it, but things get locked very easily here, so here it is:



It's amatuerish. I'm not talking just the minimalism, though that bugs me up the wall too. As someone who builds/designs interfaces for games, I have long seen no beauty in just a black screen with text on it. That is the template you must customize. I've been telling myself screenshot after screenshot that these are placeholders, but lo, the demo is out and it barely looks commercial worthy. I'm talking the sloppy glow put on everything. Those graphics took your interface designer what, a minute a piece to make? Make a black triangle and then tell Photoshop to put the default glow on it? Bam! INDICATOR ICON!



The sheer amount of glow on everything, like it was an actual design decision, makes your game look like a real indie project where one guy did everything but the guy isn't really good at graphics but he can't hire anyone who is so oh well HEY I found glow in Photoshop for the first time!!1 And the gradient bars for HP/Mana are so cartoonish and painfully clash with the rest of the interface. These are placeholders. Did you even have placeholders? Did you guys just get so used to this design you said "screw it" to updating it?



PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that the GUI is an unpolished mess. The glow ... THE GLOW ...

[jimmyfi]

Also Char leveling menu could be somewhere else than under ESC key. GUI is quite ok.. no problems with it. me like ya can disable entire gui by pressing Z

[blubbolo]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

blubbolo wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

But Varrick would not say that Hawke looks completely different unless he was drunk and it doesn't appear that he is.  This is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed.

It's the genaric face because that ISN'T your Hawke...thats the Hawke of legend...the one that does not exsist...so when YOUR Hawke FIRST appears on screen...its w/e face you want it to be....I fail to see the issue with this set-up.

I completely DISAGREE.  Hawke of legend would have red hair if your Hawke has red hair.  They're the same damned people.  Your Hawke is the Hawke of legend.  And if Bioware is going to keep it this way, then they better release a tool set so we can mod the hell out of the game.

nah, that's what make a legend a legend.
ppl will talk about what u did and exagerate everything or  change fact, even how u look (or probably they don't even know how u look to begin with).

[TheRevanchist]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

blubbolo wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, Bioware needs to definitely fix the character creator. Patch it before the game is released or release a stand alone that works for the first cutscene because if my character has a totally different looking face, and she will, why on earth would I want to play default for the first part of the game. That doesn't make any sense at all. Bioware, most of us are NOT using your default characters.

I'm definitely a 3 but don't like what I've mentioned above.

cos varric is telling the legend of hawke, like in braveheart when they meet wallace they can't belive it's him, u know he's 2m tall and so on.

But Varrick would not say that Hawke looks completely different unless he was drunk and it doesn't appear that he is.  This is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed.

It's the genaric face because that ISN'T your Hawke...thats the Hawke of legend...the one that does not exsist...so when YOUR Hawke FIRST appears on screen...its w/e face you want it to be....I fail to see the issue with this set-up.

I completely DISAGREE.  Hawke of legend would have red hair if your Hawke has red hair.  They're the same damned people.  Your Hawke is the Hawke of legend.

It's not your Hawke...because those events never happend...ever...it's a totaly fictional story parents tell their children as bedtime stories. With such a story the apperence does not matter because it never happend. The only thing that should matter to you is the ACTUAL story...with the ACTUAL face...not a mythical tale that is completely fake...

[tsakofo]

Is there going to be a combat log or something similar?While i was delivering blows with my warrior i could not see the damage i did, like in DAO.

[Layn]

maselphie wrote...

I hate the GUI. I hate it so much I want to create a new thread about it, but things get locked very easily here, so here it is:

It's amatuerish. I'm not talking just the minimalism, though that bugs me up the wall too. As someone who builds/designs interfaces for games, I have long seen no beauty in just a black screen with text on it. That is the template you must customize. I've been telling myself screenshot after screenshot that these are placeholders, but lo, the demo is out and it barely looks commercial worthy. I'm talking the sloppy glow put on everything. Those graphics took your interface designer what, a minute a piece to make? Make a black triangle and then tell Photoshop to put the default glow on it? Bam! INDICATOR ICON!

The sheer amount of glow on everything, like it was an actual design decision, makes your game look like a real indie project where one guy did everything but the guy isn't really good at graphics but he can't hire anyone who is so oh well HEY I found glow in Photoshop for the first time!!1 And the gradient bars for HP/Mana are so cartoonish and painfully clash with the rest of the interface. These are placeholders. Did you even have placeholders? Did you guys just get so used to this design you said "screw it" to updating it?

PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that the GUI is an unpolished mess. The glow ... THE GLOW ...

i agree. all the way through i thought those were placeholders. now it turns out to be the final look and it just looks... unfinished.

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I
completely DISAGREE.  Hawke of legend would have red hair if your Hawke
has red hair.  They're the same damned people.  Your Hawke is the Hawke
of legend.  And if Bioware is going to keep it this way, then they
better release a tool set so we can mod the hell out of the game.

yeah. did people dislike the way my Hawke looked that much that they had to change EVERYTHING about her? at least some details would have to be mantained

Modifié par Crrash, 23 février 2011 - 12:35 .