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[Top Gun volleyball]

Pre-order canceled. It didn't feel like an RPG at all. I felt like I was playing Devil May Cry...probably because they decided to feature button mashing console crap for the retarded kids with short attention spans that own 360s.

If BioWare wants me to start buying their games again they should stop making action games and start making RPGs again. Thanks.

Modifié par Top Gun volleyball, 23 février 2011 - 10:43 .

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

KSuri wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Americans, for example, have no problem with gratuitous violence, but see some breasts, or worse, and they go into a religious fervour.

Who's in a religious ferver? I don't like the boobs because they are a powerful reminder that, as an audience, my demographic is an afterthought.

I have nothing against lots of gratuitous boobage... so long as we can also have gratuitous bulging codpieces.

No problem here with me, you know male / female equality and all that.



By the way, you'll probably find that the 40+ male audience is also probably an afterthought too.

Might want to lower that a bit and remove gender. 30+ male/female audience. Yeah, us OLD GUYS.

Sorry gramps

[RohanD]

AlekNovy wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Some people have fetishes for smaller breasts too, yet you won't see that in most video games.

I mean don't post at me like I'm an idiot. No, no one can throw a fireball in real life or any of that fantasy stuff. I'm well aware of that. And I'm sure Isabella is an awesome character with a great backstory and dialogue and I'll come to love her.

I am simply put off by having to endure from BioWare the blatant catering to this new audience of "bigger is better" - whether it's blood or boobs or magic or explosions or what have you.

It is my personal opinion that the body types of the women in the game were laughably distracting and I found myself asking "seriously? But...seriously?" That's all.

Your attack on bioware might have some legitimacy in it if *all* or even most of the female characters had huge breasts. But only some do.

Number 2...

Have you noticed the muscle size and sixpacks on every guy in every single bioware game!!?!? The guys have muscles that in real life are not obtainable without massive doses of growth-hormone, rgf-1 and multiple steroids. 50% of the guys in the game have muscle size that in the real world costs a 1000$ a month to maintain, and even then isn't maintenable year-round.

In fact, I would say that's perfect paralel. Breasts in the fantasy/comic world for female characters are what muscles are for the male characters.

Unless you complain that 100% of the male characters have a GQ super-symmetrial six-pack year-round, while keeping professional-level muscle-mass while travelling around, then I'm sorry, then the breasts complaint is unfounded.

I kind of understand where you are coming from here, but comparing breast size to muscle mass isn't really a fair comparison. Yes they both relate to sex appeal, but one is actually a sexual organ while the other is just, well, muscle. 

If all the guys walked around with massive unnatural looking bulges in their pants then that would be a fair comparison imo. 

The bust sizes are ridiculous. The truth of the matter is, that if you were a human and you were a warrior training, swinging around a massive 2 handed sword or using a heavy shield with armour, you would have to have a fair amount of muscle mass to cope with it.

But wait a minute, I'm speaking in terms of reality...and that really can't be applied to DA2, because there really isn't any realism present at all. 

[AlekNovy]

obie191970 wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

[Or is everyone going off of Isabella? There were 5 female characters in the demo... Only isabella had the huge breasts.

Actually, no. Ma Hawke, Bethany, and Isabela all had extravagently large breasts, Cassandra was well-endowed, and only Aveline (you know, the homely one) had more realistic proportions.

Do you remember how big everyone's boobs in DAO were?  Just go around and revisit all the chantry in every city.

I'm guessing everying saying this stuff lives in america? If so, feel free to come visit my part of the world, eastern europe. These are normal sizes here.

So in essence, you guys are saying bioware's games are realistic if they resemble the breast-sizes in your part of the world, but not other parts of the world?

Second, can anyone explain to me the fact that every single male has a six-pack year-round and has muscle size that not even professional bodybuilders were able to achieve merely 40 years ago (the drugs didn't exist back in 1960).

[nick_lott]

Morroian wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

Ahh, the obligatory male paternalistic psycho-analysis of the female mindset. How refreshing.

Size G cup here. No insecurities whatsoever. I just have no interest in being bashed in the face by cartoon boobs every time my PC turns around, especially since it makes me feel like I'm a second-class citizen where the target audience of the game is concerned.

When I see stuff like that, it tells me the game was made for the younger male demographic, and the female audience was an afterthought, at best.

Its 1 freaking character, get a grip.

Actually, It's three. The mother and the sister was rediculous as well.

[Blastback]

I'm happy that so far, Hawke feels more like s/he is my character than Shepard. But something that fustrated me is that about 1/3rd of the time, when I tried to use an ability the character ignored me.



Also, not a fan of the superfast closing attacks, how rogues and warriors play like they have superpowers. I like those classes to be more human. But that's just a personal thing.

[John Epler]

Alright, let's cut out the talk about breast size. It's verging into sexism territory in a few cases, and I don't want to have to start handing out bans.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I must be the only one who didn't notice the breasts. I was too busy paying attention to the story and the faces.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

AlekNovy wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

[Or is everyone going off of Isabella? There were 5 female characters in the demo... Only isabella had the huge breasts.

Actually, no. Ma Hawke, Bethany, and Isabela all had extravagently large breasts, Cassandra was well-endowed, and only Aveline (you know, the homely one) had more realistic proportions.

Do you remember how big everyone's boobs in DAO were?  Just go around and revisit all the chantry in every city.

I'm guessing everying saying this stuff lives in america? If so, feel free to come visit my part of the world, eastern europe. These are normal sizes here.

So in essence, you guys are saying bioware's games are realistic if they resemble the breast-sizes in your part of the world, but not other parts of the world?

Second, can anyone explain to me the fact that every single male has a six-pack year-round and has muscle size that not even professional bodybuilders were able to achieve merely 40 years ago (the drugs didn't exist back in 1960).

Here's a thought if Bioware modelled their warrior on real human shapes in America and parts of Europe....jezus holy obesity Batman!!

[TEWR]

ok time for me to list the reasons why I loved the demo:



1) the faster combat allows for it to be more realistic, whereas in DA:O the attacks of the Warrior and Rogue felt awkward and clumsy. The only way a Rogue seemed even somewhat better was with Momentum, which only sped up the attack, but didn't make it look that much like what a real life swordsman would do.



2) People are talking so much **** on the voice acting, but we've only seen a miniscule portion of the game itself. I think the voice acting is superb, as each response fits in with the tone I would expect. While some may argue that the silent Protagonist is an amazing way to immerse yourself in the RPG experience, it also limits you just the same. I list Star Ocean: Till the End of Time as one of the best RPG games, that had, and OMG this is so hard to believe, had the main character voiced over. You still picked the responses, and it was still amazing nonetheless.



3.) The graphics. The graphics appear to be more realistic too. In DA:O they were definitely great graphics, but when I looked at a tree it looked paper thin, which bugged me. This time around everything so far looks the way it should.



4.) You are still able to set your tactics, pause the game to give orders, and do everything else that made DA:O into the amazing game it is. The devs have improved what worked, revamped to a better and higher quality what didn't work, and have still kept to their roots. This isn't a carbon copy, and it's not something for the trash compactor. It's a better, cleaner, more realistic while still fantasy oriented, game.



My only two problems with the demo were that 1) it froze on me once, but after that it never happened again. and 2) I thought we could walk and our party members would walk too? They're still running every few feet.



Minor problems, which I believe the latter will not happen in the final product, and the former will only happen if I play it for 7 days straight, giving my PS3 no rest. And I will.

[Balvale]

Quick question: A friend told be that you need to use the A-button for each attack in the 360 version. Is that true? I downloaded the PC demo because I only have a silver live account at the moment.

[CrisLander]

On the font size issue, I played both the PC demo on a 15 inch screen and a PS3 demo on a 40 inch screen and in both cases the size of the font was good. I didn't force 1080p on the 40" TV, and the game downgraded to 720p. Could it be that you're forcing the game to run on 1080p? That would explain why font size could be too small to read.

[prototype00]

Hmm, when I start the demo, I'm logged into the Bioware network. By the end of the demo I'm logged out and do not get Hayder's razor. Has this happened to anyone else, perchance?



prototype00

[smcleay]

what have u done bioware what have you done? I cant actually believe just how much you have dumbed this down,  almost every aspect of this game has been made worse. the deep, interesting and involving dialog of origins is gone replaced by mass effects ****ty wheel so now if we want to be good all we have to do is make sure we always pick the upper right choice so mindless and dumb just one of the many things wrong with this demo

i am not a hardcore RPG fan but i loved origins and the choices we had to make and also the combat wasnt too bad it involved strategy now the combat is just a button mashing mess, i dont know how one of my favorite developers could have ****ed up this bad

i will not be buying your game bioware nor will i be convincing anyone else to either. it seems to me your going down the same path as square enix and final fantasy so sad.

[Morroian]

Elysium-Fic wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

[Or is everyone going off of Isabella? There were 5 female characters in the demo... Only isabella had the huge breasts.

Actually, no. Ma Hawke, Bethany, and Isabela all had extravagently large breasts, Cassandra was well-endowed, and only Aveline (you know, the homely one) had more realistic proportions.

No they actually didn't.

[obie191970]

AlekNovy wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

[Or is everyone going off of Isabella? There were 5 female characters in the demo... Only isabella had the huge breasts.

Actually, no. Ma Hawke, Bethany, and Isabela all had extravagently large breasts, Cassandra was well-endowed, and only Aveline (you know, the homely one) had more realistic proportions.

Do you remember how big everyone's boobs in DAO were?  Just go around and revisit all the chantry in every city.

I'm guessing everying saying this stuff lives in america? If so, feel free to come visit my part of the world, eastern europe. These are normal sizes here.

So in essence, you guys are saying bioware's games are realistic if they resemble the breast-sizes in your part of the world, but not other parts of the world?

Second, can anyone explain to me the fact that every single male has a six-pack year-round and has muscle size that not even professional bodybuilders were able to achieve merely 40 years ago (the drugs didn't exist back in 1960).

Bioware does fantasy and space opera RPG's.  Pretty sure the word realistic doesn't apply.

[HTTP 404]

I maybe have seen two responses that saw the demo as being ok. Its interesting to see a polarization where people either loved it or hated it.

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Modifié par HTTP 404, 23 février 2011 - 10:43 .

[AlekNovy]

RohanD wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Some people have fetishes for smaller breasts too, yet you won't see that in most video games.

I mean don't post at me like I'm an idiot. No, no one can throw a fireball in real life or any of that fantasy stuff. I'm well aware of that. And I'm sure Isabella is an awesome character with a great backstory and dialogue and I'll come to love her.

I am simply put off by having to endure from BioWare the blatant catering to this new audience of "bigger is better" - whether it's blood or boobs or magic or explosions or what have you.

It is my personal opinion that the body types of the women in the game were laughably distracting and I found myself asking "seriously? But...seriously?" That's all.

Your attack on bioware might have some legitimacy in it if *all* or even most of the female characters had huge breasts. But only some do.

Number 2...

Have you noticed the muscle size and sixpacks on every guy in every single bioware game!!?!? The guys have muscles that in real life are not obtainable without massive doses of growth-hormone, rgf-1 and multiple steroids. 50% of the guys in the game have muscle size that in the real world costs a 1000$ a month to maintain, and even then isn't maintenable year-round.

In fact, I would say that's perfect paralel. Breasts in the fantasy/comic world for female characters are what muscles are for the male characters.

Unless you complain that 100% of the male characters have a GQ super-symmetrial six-pack year-round, while keeping professional-level muscle-mass while travelling around, then I'm sorry, then the breasts complaint is unfounded.

I kind of understand where you are coming from here, but comparing breast size to muscle mass isn't really a fair comparison. Yes they both relate to sex appeal, but one is actually a sexual organ while the other is just, well, muscle. 

If all the guys walked around with massive unnatural looking bulges in their pants then that would be a fair comparison imo. 

The bust sizes are ridiculous. The truth of the matter is, that if you were a human and you were a warrior training, swinging around a massive 2 handed sword or using a heavy shield with armour, you would have to have a fair amount of muscle mass to cope with it.

But wait a minute, I'm speaking in terms of reality...and that really can't be applied to DA2, because there really isn't any realism present at all. 

If you don't think six-pack are sexual in manner, open any female magazine. I've bought many of them. In fact, for women six-pack is what cleavage is to us. Seriously, go purchase a female magazine. They all have "male candy" features where there's obsession about male six-packs and pictures of men with pronounced airbrushed sixpacks.

So unless these people complain that in the game there are six-packs everywhere, they can't complain about the cleaveage everywhere.

As for muscles. You can ask some men, and they will tell you that to them muscles are the main attracting feature to a partner. So yes, the analogy is very good. Its not a perfect exact analogue, but its very good.

Especially since comic books have had the breast-sizes of the heroines increasing at about the size that muscle-mass and six-pack definition has been increasing for the heroes.

[Feirefiz1972]

Just played the demo on steam and thought it was totally awesome, liked the ps3 version to but the buttonmashing keeps you from getting tactical. Have to admit it was a bit on the easy side but thats what the difficulty settings are for. Both versions looked crisp to me eventhough i had to turn things down to medium because my pc is getting dated.

[STiAT]

Top Gun volleyball wrote...

Pre-order canceled. It didn't feel like an RPG at all. It is button mashing console crap.

If BioWare wants me to start buying their games again they should stop making action games and start making RPGs again. Thanks.

Actually, it felt like an Action RPG, and I had plenty of time between my spells and abilities to make tactical decisions.
Although, the "dialog wheel" is disappointing to me. I liked reading first what I will be saying. That feels like Non-RPG for sure.

[Elysium-Fic]

KBomb wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...


Who's in a religious ferver? I don't like the boobs because they are a powerful reminder that, as an audience, my demographic is an afterthought.

I have nothing against lots of gratuitous boobage... so long as we can also have gratuitous bulging codpieces.

To be fair, all of the men do have rippling six packs. Not the same thing--but still, that is eye candy. I think Bioware gives the girls a fair bit of eye candy and I think too many people make a big deal out of one character’s topside.

Yeah, but we only see the rippling six-packs when they take off their clothes. They aren't there in our face each time a conversation launches.

[Cyras. Knight-Errant]

First Impressions (Xbox 360, german):

The art-style is great (Don't care about fancy graphics), so is the english voice acting but the german isn't (Like ME1+2). They miss often miss the emotional inflections and some parts were translated literally, were a translation in meaning would have done better and the other way around. But luckily the german version will ship with the english language track as well.


I liked the demo very much although I have some issues with the combat. First the combat, especially with the rouge, was way to fast. He was jumping around like a rubber ball with his daggers rotating and was really difficult to keep up with. The second thing was the annoying 'no target-workout' animation and sometimes the character even shuffled to get in reach to leap in. I thought BW mentioned that there will be no shuffling in DA2 and hope that this gets fixed as soon as possible.

But don't get me wrong, although i didn't like some part of the combat doesn't mean i don't like it at all. I really appreciate what BW did with the mages and besides the aforementioned concerns the combat has really improved compared to DA:O.

Overall, Im not disappointed by the impression of the demo. I'm lookingIm looking forward to October 11th and to get wrapped up in a hopefully epic story.

Modifié par Cyras. Knight-Errant, 23 février 2011 - 10:46 .

[Nadiasama]

Magus_42 wrote...
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Oh, a couple notes on the console interface if any devs see this and want some feedback. For some reason, I was completely stumped the first time the dialog wheel came up. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to make a selection. Thought this was a bug at first. I think I expected the game to highly a default selection, and to use up/down to select, and left/right to switch sides of the wheel. Using the stick to point was not expected. Maybe a little tutorial animation on the first dialog would help users figure it out. Or maybe it was just me. On the other hand, I found the way spell targeting was handled for mages *the auto-pause effect) to be absolutely brilliant.

This! Though personally I would say not to use the left analog stick to select choices.  Not all of us have stable left thumbs when it comes to selecting stuff and I pretty much prefer the static D-pad to do such things considering it was the D-pad that was used to select convo choices in Origins.


The left analog stick should always be for moving the avatar around, not for selecting sentences on a wheel.

[AlekNovy]

Morroian wrote...

Elysium-Fic wrote...

AlekNovy wrote...

[Or is everyone going off of Isabella? There were 5 female characters in the demo... Only isabella had the huge breasts.

Actually, no. Ma Hawke, Bethany, and Isabela all had extravagently large breasts, Cassandra was well-endowed, and only Aveline (you know, the homely one) had more realistic proportions.

No they actually didn't.

Compared to what class/city/country/continent/ethnicity? I invite you to visit serbia/macedonia/bosnia any day. You will find these are normal sizes here.

[Bashfull]

Firstly, just wanted to say it was amazing. I can't wait for the full game! I've now played through the demo with all three classes, both two handed and sword and board, and two weapon (got a bit bored of the archer who doesn't have all the cool moves of the others).

I could spend ages telling you about all the things I loved. The characters are immediately interesting, and I loved the way it overlaps with DAO. Good to see Flemeth back, looking attractive enough for me to feel a bit dirty for liking older ladies.

The game is beautiful to look at. The music is great: a real Gladiator sound to it (thanks, Ridley Scott and the Dead Can Dance people: you've given us more than you could have hoped).

What I thought was particularly clever was the cool fighting styles, particularly of the styles that were less attractive in DAO (two handed swords look sooooo cool). Backstab is far less clumsy with a simple button press instead of trying to sneak around. I like.

A reservation, and it's a small one, is that it is sometimes difficult to level up the second character down in the portrait list. For some reason I often ended up on Hawke, despite clicking on Bethany. I resorted to clicking on the third character and then waiting until Bethany (or Carver) came up afterwards.

All round awesomeness, and I bet you're even more excited than I was with all the positive feedback you've been getting.

Regards,
Bash