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#4001
John Epler

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JosephCurwen wrote...

destroyer 654 wrote...

True, i guess im just really angry right now. I just think they are being unfair to bioware. If all theese people are insulted bioware so much i should be able to insult them.


No you shouldn't.

Bioware is a company soliciting opinions about a product.




Quite so. If people want to fling vitriol at us, that's fine - we're all thick skinned and can certainly take it.

However, insults towards other posters don't really make for a constructive forum environment. So we don't look kindly on them.

So long as you don't insult the hair. Never insult the hair.

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My only real complaint is the text size. Hopefully it'll be bigger in the actual game. I most likely won't be able to upgrade my TV by March 8th. :/


I dont like the txt size either. Same prob with ME. Thing is, I do play on a 50" HDTV though. lol. I do not, however, sit two feet in front of it.

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Combat was ok, I guess. But really fast paced too. I had trouble seeing what I actually did to my enemies. I noticed alot of bodyparts flying around, but not really how it happened. It was kind of like the DA:O finishing moves, but 5 times as fast.

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destroyer 654 wrote...


True, i guess im just really angry right now. I just think they are being unfair to bioware. If all theese people are insulted bioware so much i should be able to insult them.


Nah, that's not how it works here. People don't get to insult and flame other forum members. The devs can take care of themselves. They have pretty thick skins. If there's an issue with what people are saying about the devs or BioWare, they'll deal with it.

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It should be objective, reasoned and informed if you want to get their attention though. Most of the criticism is along the lines of "wah its hack and slash" "wah its not like DAO". Most of which is wrong and not reasoned at all.


oh realy? OK.
Long long time ago, there was a  great RPGs. Like Baldurs Gate 1/2, Planescape Torment. DAO was so like those RPGs. Some thing in DAO reminds me of those times. I was so hoping that DA2 would beat BG high standart. But it seems it will not, because DA2 is console like slasher. 

Combat system - pathetic, all those jumps etc. You know weapon and armor is actualy heavy stuff.
Hawke guy and his voice - ok, no personal character for me. It is sad.
Plot - ok, brother died, what a shame and i felt nothing. When Duncan has fallen i felt like my character lost a realy close friend. And besides, who the hell this hawke is? a refugee? he looks like a commando to me, or a ninja.
Skills system, emm i can live with that, but still old one was better.
main character replics with icons (!) . This is most retarded thing i ever seen. Even ME2 left/right clicking were a way better. This ME system is so stupid. Only few words on a screen, but character is reading whole poem in voice. And of couse reaction icons. OMG.
That what i saw in demo. This game was clearly made for consoles, and pc version is just a port if i may call it that way. 

So bioware made console slasher. Great. But i will not buy it.

Fail, your criticism is neither objective nor reasoned.

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Morroian wrote...

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As a console player, I'm quite happy that DA2 is geared towards consoles. It's a shame that someone has to lose out, here (i.e. PC players), but I'm grateful it's not me. I imagine most PC players would feel the same way, were the shoe on the other foot.

PC players aren't losing out.

A fair assessment, and one I'm inclined to agree with. A vast chunk of the PC-centric Dragon Age fanbase, however...

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After playing it a couple more times, Im sure it will be a fine game and fun.



I'm still just not sure why it is Dragon Age 2. After all Baldur's Gate:Dark Alliance wasn't Baldur's Gate 3.

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one thing I find odd about the demo is that in the battle with the ogre, it shows Bethany/Carver with full health, even though they're supposed to have been killed.

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And in regards to the aforementioned body parts on certain character models, I agree with others that they are far too big. It does not match the particular character's frame. I am not sure why you as the game developer did this, perhaps to standardize the female game model and to avoid making a number of different sizes? Save time and production costs by not having to deal with varying body sizes in regards to armor/equipment? I am not sure... but it is what it is; honest feedback.

I would also like to comment on the lower lip piercing. It's hideous. The gold piercing is so large that it stands out in every cutscene and ruins her otherwise attractive facial features. I don't mind piercings at all but it's far too large for her chin area.


As labrets go, yes it is somewhat Austin Powers....moooleee.

As to the other point, yes, I wonder whether the lead design team just blindly went with the assumed ( but sexist ) norm, ie "chicks in fantasy games = large" when creating the meshes.On automatic pilot almost. Or did they sit down and talk about it and come to the conclusion "target audience mainly male, sex sells, lets stick with the large mammaries".

Where was the fly on the wall ?

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Eurypterid wrote...

destroyer 654 wrote...


True, i guess im just really angry right now. I just think they are being unfair to bioware. If all theese people are insulted bioware so much i should be able to insult them.

Nah, that's not how it works here. People don't get to insult and flame other forum members. The devs can take care of themselves. They have pretty thick skins. If there's an issue with what people are saying about the devs or BioWare, they'll deal with it.


I never insulted anybody the worst thing i said was that they were incorrect, which is not bad at all. I was thinking about insulting them but im not going to do it, its not the right thing. 

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Badpie wrote...

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I thought the gameplay was awesome. And the graphics were pretty. I like the conversation wheel, I found myself intrigued by the characters and I'm really looking forward to the story.

Unfortunately, I can't take any of that seriously with the ridiculous female body types. It was literally so distracting and ludicrous I couldn't even concentrate on what was happening. This statement is not to turn the thread into a discussion about breasts, and I'm not flaming.

But I am very disappointed that not one single female character looked like a real woman, only rejects from Dead or Alive or Pam Anderson clones. I mean the breasts were bigger than heads here, folks, which is fine if you're a fun little game meant to be lighthearted and not taken seriously (don't get me wrong - I appreciate breasts, even large ones).

But the female body types in the game were so distractingly cartoonish and Jessica Rabbit like to me that I felt it was doing the good writing a big disservice.

Just my opinion, but I'm starting to thing I'm almost willing to wait until a decent mod comes out for PC to make the bodies less stupid looking.



After Cassandra calls bull**** on Varric out in the opener Bethany's breasts become significantly smaller.  I also played female Hawke and they were not distracting at all, quite normal actually.  Only Isabel was, but hey sometimes your born with big ones right?  Anyway not playing her she seems too cliche.


I'm not disputing the fact that some women have large breasts.  But certainly not all.  And rarely, if ever with these body types.   Hell, even Momhawke was stacked like crazy.  Would it have killed them to not make everyone a distractingly cartoonish amalgamation of the imaginations of a 16 year old boy (or old dwarf being used as an excuse to cater to the desires of said 16 year old boys)?  None of them look realistic.  Take Miranda from Mass Effect 2.  She's all kinds of curvy and she's really hot, but I have not one single complaint about her because she looks like a human being.


I agree, the the over the top female bodies hugely detract from the immersion.  Additionally, I think the art direction over all is fine, but the animations are far too anime-like.  Characters wielding large two handed swords swing them  1) as if they were weightless, as in lightsabers 2) too fast to appreciate the animation, if indeed there is any at all.  I cannot tell because my eye does not track movement that fast, so each animation appears to be a combination of 3 poses followed by a motion trail.  This again breaks immersion. 

Furthermore, the animations themselves are too over the top.  In origins they also had over the top animations, but they "felt" real; that is, they appeared as though someone lucky enough in real life could pull it off if the stars aligned. The final blow animations were smooth, gory, and seemed to have the appropriate momentum and weight for the weapon being used.  Here, rogues roundhouse kick glass flasks and do weird butterfly kicks when chasing down opponents, and every class has all kinds of stupid, useless looking animations. 

How can I take my character seriously when he more resembles a ballerina than a mage/warrior rogue?

Oh, I forgot the darkspawn.  Why did they change the darkspawn?! The old ones were menacing, a threat worthy of my attention.  I cannot take the new darkspawn seriously.  If those are hurlocks, why am I running from the blight at all?  They are flimsy little monkeys now that squawk at me and explode if I so much as look at them.  They totally took the edge off of them.  Why?  I remember the battle at Ostagar in DAO; it was terrifying. 

These are not the badass darkspawn the slew King Cailan or Duncan, it just isn't possible.

Modifié par Ramza_1, 23 février 2011 - 11:44 .


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First Impressions for PC demo:

Buggy and limited. I really felt handcuffed, why can't I save?!

I'm extra annoyed now at the lack of saving because I played through to the first major battle after you start the "real story" game crashed, now I have to start all over. seriously?!

I now have the taste of taint in my mouth.

Not a fan of the, I guess you would call it HUD. Probably just a skin treatment would punch it up and not make it look so...out of place?

When the Ogre charges, my character's way out of the way and yet I still get effected by the charge. Lame!

I am a big fan of the Rogue backstab ability.

I like the overall style of the art, I'm really curious how the story is going to work though since you start so close to the start of the first games story line.

Though I have to say, after playing (part of due to lack of ability to save) the demo, had I not already pre-ordered my game, I would quite possibly walk away.

#4013
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Theagg wrote...

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Again, folks. Breast size discussion. Cut it out.


Hmm, is not a discussion about why this game sadly slavishly continues the trend of hypersexualising female characters ( by way of giving them large breast sizes ) in games ( in a way that male characters are not hypersexualised ) a valid discussion to have ?

That discussion is not sexist surely ?

And that the only spokespersons we have seen or heard for the game ( designers, writers etc ) are men ? Perhaps that hints at why games still can't break that particular sexist design cycle.



Because discussions on breast size on these forums tend to degenerate into 'you're sexist!' 'No you're not!' 'Well you're just jealous because you don't have large breasts!'

Not a discussion we're going to have in this thread. Rail about the unfairness of my despotic edict all you like, but it's not going to happen. End of discussion.

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I played through it three times now. All 3 times as a male warrior because that's how I like to play.

Anyway, the combat is too fast. I can't really tell what's going on and because of that I can't tell any difference when I raise my stats.

Also, about the sexist BS. Maybe they should stop putting women in games, it seems that no matter how women are portrayed people whine and complain. Of course, if they took women out people would complain about that too.

Modifié par Garak2, 23 février 2011 - 11:37 .


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played it twice now and i dont like it at all =/ i love origins, but da2 its not for me, i fell like im playing sacred3 u.u


I played Sacred 2 and the DA2 demo felt nothing like it. Sacred 2 was a hack 'n slash, albeit with an innovative talent system but it had no tactcail gameplay like mDA2 clearly does.

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So I played the demo and I don't think of dragon age when I played it. The health, mana bars and combat animations especially the rogue animations remind me of jade empire . The mini map, graphics and gameplay remind me of JRPGS. Mostly Tri-Ace games like Star Ocean 3 and Infinite Undiscovery. The cut scenes are definitely mass effect 2. The game is still dragon age. I like the changes. If the game was like dragon age origins only hardcore dragon age fans would buy it. LOL imagine playing as level 1 2handed warrior hawk. Waves of darkspawn are coming and he is swinging his sword like a 12 year old boy like you would in origins. I would immediately turn off the game. Combat is better, graphics are better. It is worthy sequel. If only the game has massive amount of content then it just may be worthy enough to dethrone BG2. But I doubt it being a console game and all.

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There's a lot that I don't like about the demo, to be honest. I'm just going to post about a couple of things that bothered me from playing it a few seconds ago. For one thing, the healing. Is there a limit of one quick heal per battle? And why is the healing spell cooldown 60 seconds? That's overkill. My warrior playthrough, I got killed by the ogre and my party barely survived. My mage playthrough, everybody died.

Also, no zoom out? It's harder to direct party members who lag behind like this.

Spells can't lock on to enemies anymore either.

I think Origins is going to beat DA II in every way....but I'll still buy it.

(played on PC)

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Garak2 wrote...

I played through it three times now. All 3 times as a male warrior because that's how I like to play.

Anyway, the combat is too fast. I can't really tell what's going on and because of that I can't tell any difference when I raise my stats.

Also, about the sexist BS. Maybe they should stop putting women in games, it seems that no matter how women are portrayed people whine and complain. Of course, if they took women out people would complain about that too.


that's exactly what I said! regarding women that is. People will find women in video games sexist no matter what the video game makers do. People play the sexist card so much it doesn't even mean anything anymore...Posted Image

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I Loved the demo, and because of it, I am even more excited for the full Game...

I absolutely believe that the new direction in the art style and gameing were the right ways to go, the new combat system too! I loved everything about it. Dont change the combat again because it is damn near perfect.

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I like the demo, play it on PC, but there are things I don't like in the new DA.



1 no god mode, it's hard to get use to, I play NW and DA on this mode, only in normal difficult I use close view.



2 loading.....loading.....loading.......is my PC so old or everyone have to do this, it's killing me...



3 is there gona be a better mod tool in DA2? cuz the one in DA isn't good enough for me, and it's buggy.



4 input seems having some lags, don't know it should be or not, but my input in game are abit delay, the game running at 60fps all the time but still.



That is all, the rest of the demo is awsome, Bioware never fail me(well NW2 somehow did)....

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From a PC-only, RPG fanatic:



Combat was a bit too fast for my preference. There was much I loved about it, but it still felt so sped up that I either had to pause every 3 seconds to issue another order and drag combat down to a reasonable pace, or let it zoom by at warp speed and hope my tactics worked.

The gore is stupidly ridiculous. Chopping people in half with daggers? Really? Camera panning across the 3 enemies who are missing everything from the waist up... and this happens *frequently* in normal, regular combat? Really? Is there some setting I can check in Options that lets enemies get poked by daggers and slashed by swords and die without losing half of their bodies?

I want to play an RPG with added combat, not a war game with added conversations. I'm not canceling my pre-order, because I know I'll get enjoyment out if the RP portions of the game, even if I wind up having to slog through constant, ridiculous, over the top combat that throws me out of immersion every time. I just hope the RP parts of the full game outweigh the combat for me (since the demo was mostly examples of the combat, it was lacking a lot for me).

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I actually kinda like the bigger breasts.

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LOL i rember back when this game was announced everyone was panning it, NOW EVERYONE LOVES IT



and FOR GOOD REASON...how can you hate this game its got every nerds dream about MONSTERS, LEVELING UP, TACTICS, GORE, ACTION, A GREAT STORY, AND A HOT PIRATE CHICK

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Hope3nder wrote...

iShreav wrote...

Hope3nder wrote...

destroyer 654 wrote...

Hope3nder wrote...

Whole internet is saying the exact same thing as I am about: Bioware, I am disappointed in you guys. From the looks of the demo, it is apparent that everything was designed for consoles in mind, NOT pc. The graphics are also a downgrade from the first one in comparison. I have played DA Origins like 10 times and would still play it over and over again because it is apparent that you guys really did put some work in it but this one seems to be a total let down, from main character voices to graphics. So...... it looks like it's going to be witcher 2 for me.

Once again you guys disappoint me.


Umm well actually not really. Most bioware fans like this game, go on the polls and see which is winning, the i love DA2 option or i hate DA2. Its just that the people who like DA2 are either stunned by the idiocie of the haters or are just happy about the game and are moving on. The haters however are just whining on this forum because they have nothing better to do. Im seriously starting to get angry. Its one thing to not like the demo but its another thing to hate on it while you are incorrect and say oh im no longer your fan bioware. I mean seriously, im getting angry at all theese haters. 


You can completely reject this but you sound like a freaking fanboy! Angry? Seriously? What? You working for bioware? And about "haters however are just whining on this forum because they have nothing better to do." This is my first freaking post ever on these forums, bioware website.

Fanboys hang around forums most of the time, which I don't but I was wondering if I could email bioware in some way about their quality going down the drain for pc but that's impossible so I got on here to leave a comment in hopes of them reading it but I didn't know we have an angry **** hanging around these forums and checking on others' comments. You like the game? Yes? Okay, that's fine but I don't.

I will always be bioware's fan but that doesn't necessarily mean I will be buying their crap products only because I am their fan. 

Peace


Why are you so silly?  Shouting out a negative opinion is strongly discouraged and it's not even what Bioware is looking for, even though they released this demo for user feedback.  Don't make others angry here, only put in a good word and vote positively on the polls.


Get angry over a game? Really? lol.... I am not angry at all just disappointed and then amazed at this guy for getting angry at people he doesn't even know. I hope the final product will be diff compared to the demo I just hope...


It was a joke.  ;D

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ok so i dled te pc version to see what its like and i have to say i cant do the pc i dont like the controls...... im sticking with the xbox