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[Lacan2]

RohanD wrote...

No. No you are just wrong. Sorry, but there comes a time when an opinion needs to be called out as such. The combat does not resemble BGII in any way, shape, or form. The only similarity I can see, is the fact that you can pause and unpause, and to be honest it seems like this was a bone they threw in because the game is now just an autopilot slash fest. I'm not even going to go into how many things are different, because the post would take me more time than I have to write. Sorry. 

I didn't say it was similar, but closer to BG2 than DAO. I didn't say it resembles BG2. Grinding out an opponent like low level mobs with 23,000 hits is so anti-BG I don't even know where to begin. BG is at its heart quick deaths and quick kills, which DA2 is closer to than DAO for sure.

I know every single BG2 quest by heart and it's my favorite game of all time, so I can speak pretty assuredly on this.

You're being overly sensitive and didn't bother trying to understand what I wrote, but you seem to think patronizing and unimaginative statements like "sorry" and "just wrong" substitute for reading comprehension.

If you ever in your life managed to play that game and play it properly, you know that the pace far more resembles DA2 than DAO.

Modifié par Lacan2, 24 février 2011 - 09:10 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

A lot has been said already, but I was surprised by the PC installer's advanced option. I usually install the games on my D drive in the Games folder. When I selected the advanced option it prompted me with that folder automagically. Cool.

[errant_knight]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
I didn't say the mechanics are different. But it does play differently due to the speed and the large number of area effect talents. I now find it a dull, over the top slash fest that's completely immersion breaking with its ludicrous animations and talents ie tremor. Instead of having a few enemies that are difficult to kill, now there's just swarm after swarm of grunts.

I can see that. I don't have nearly as much of a problem with the more over-the-top things, but I assume that if there's magic, other aspects will be fantastic as well. It is a fantasy, after all.

Saying you should take into account that this is a demo assumes that you haven't already considered that, and I assume the opposite. But still, the game is certainly marketed to a different crowd than our old friend Origins was. I doubt this is an accurate representation of how the entire game will play out. The beginning sequence of Origins bored to the point of quitting, but I eventually came back to it and left very, very satisfied.

And this is why I'm still going to buy it. I'm sure the characters and story will still be good, and I want to know what happens next in this world. I'm not going to find this as immersive due to the dialogue changes and my feelings about the combat, but even if I continue to find the combat as tedious as I do now, I expect the story to be compelling.

[EnDeR2013]

Just played the demo on my ps3 and the game is awesome, especially the mage, loved how it plays now. encountered some bugs but that's fixable

Modifié par EnDeR2013, 24 février 2011 - 09:16 .

[eacansuckit]

SirGladiator wrote...

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

Lacan2 wrote...
What's ironic for hardocre Bioware fans is that the combat in DA2 is closer to BG2 than DAO.

DA2 is much closer to the quick deaths and spectacular sequences of killing that was the iconic BG2 style. DAO much more resembled WoW with the tough, grind em out battles and the necessity of having "tank" classes that soak damage rather than deal damage.

To me, the combat in DA2 is much more the spiritual successor to the BG series than DAO. The only lingering problem is that mages still aren't very impressive. The repertoir of a mage from ToB absolutely craps on any DAO mage.

People will, in all liklihood, actually get offended by this.

I, of course, have no room to speak, having never played BG. I need to.

Thats actually an excellent point, I had honestly never thought of that until you mentioned that, it really is a lot more like BG2 now, what with the extra fast pace and the opponents exploding and such.  I loved BG2, and I love this new similarity to it.  Happily it isn't quite so insanely difficult, at least not on the 'normal' setting anyway  . I enjoyed the demo, I've actually played it 5 times now (although twice I didnt finish it because it crashed, but hopefully thats just a demo problem not a problem with the actual game).  It's definitely challenging, the new powers and abilities are really cool, and I did really like the way they improved Flemeth.  Didn't like that I couldn't choose which sibling to save, as I expected that I wouldn't, but other than that my only complaint would be I wish my character would say what it seems like they're going to say when I select something, that can get annoying when its so different from what you think its going to be.  Funny though, I enjoyed ME and ME2, played them both many times and don't recall ever having that particular problem even though they obviously are all using the same dialogue wheel.  But that aside, just overwhelmingly positive, the characters looked great, lots of awesome cutscenes, just super duper!

One thing I liked better about the 360 Demo was that you could make it brighter, as the PC Demo is rather dark which is a bit annoying.  It was nice being able to see things so much clearer on the 360 because it was bright enough.  On the downside, on the 360 I had to hit the A button about a zillion times, which doesn't seem like it should be necessary, certainly it wasn't in DAO.  Otherwise it was pretty cool on the 360, you can still pause pretty easily, use your basic powers and such, it was lots of fun.  So whether its the 360, the PC, or the PS3, I'd highly reccomend the Demo to everybody!  And the main game itself as well of course .  Thank you Bioware for this super awesome Demo!       

The combat is similar to BG because it also had exploding enemies? How the **** did you even manage to install the demo, let alone power up a PC? Ah, nevermind.

[Silain]

Wivvix wrote...

Bioware had a good first attempt with Origins. They didn't build on that first attempt, they threw out the baby with the bathwater and moved totally away from a dice-roll RPG to an action RPG.

Amen to that. It's a shame the orrigional character of the game was tossed aside.
Reducing the trong points of a game in favour of something milder to attrackt a wider range of gamers is the blight of videogames as a work of art.
This is like Rembrandt painting a picasso.

[Leozeon]

Sorry My english skill not good. +_+

I want to tell something my best game in the world.

I love Dragon Age.

But I don't like the fast battle speed like this.

I love NeverWinter Night then DA. It Tactics + RPG, I like.

Please slow down battle speed like Dragon Age : Origin.



This Demo is the Action game, I don't like this.

Please, developers. For the best Computer-RPG game.

Thanks so much for advanced.



From just one, your faraway game fan.

[TeaCokeProphet]

[quote]errant_knight wrote...

[quote]TeaCokeProphet wrote...
And this is why I'm still going to buy it. I'm sure the characters and story will still be good, and I want to know what happens next in this world. I'm not going to find this as immersive due to the dialogue changes and my feelings about the combat, but even if I continue to find the combat as tedious as I do now, I expect the story to be compelling.[/quote]And this is exactly what they want.

I'm glad to hear it, for some reason. It appears people are jumping over the deep end when they choose to cancel all of their preorders and such. Of course, it also appears I don't feel as strongly about the issue of what crpgs are becoming as others. I'll certainly mourn the loss of the crpg, but DA2 will end up being pretty good regardless.

[TriggerHappy64]

errant_knight wrote...

And this is why I'm still going to buy it. I'm sure the characters and story will still be good, and I want to know what happens next in this world. I'm not going to find this as immersive due to the dialogue changes and my feelings about the combat, but even if I continue to find the combat as tedious as I do now, I expect the story to be compelling.

How about I write you a book, my own chapter in the continuing DA series instead of you supporting what seems to be an entire reworking of the original aesthetic the first game established so that your money is better spent and not supporting shoddy business practices?

[Lacan2]

eacansuckit wrote...

The combat is similar to BG because it also had exploding enemies? How the **** did you even manage to install the demo, let alone power up a PC? Ah, nevermind.

You remember how many times your best fighter (PC, Sarevok, Minsc) hit the low level enemy so hard they exploded into chunks? Good times. 

Male Hawke is  more or less what I imagined Sarevok doing on the battlefield with his vorpal blade.

Modifié par Lacan2, 24 février 2011 - 09:18 .

[MishraArtificer]

Got to the end, and the server disconnected me. I didn't get credit for Hayder's Razor. Guess I'll have to play it again.

NOT LIKING the new combat system. I miss the auto-attack function, having gotten used to the system in DA:O and the KOTOR games. Now the characters attack once and then just stand there and get stabbitied. Also, I need a new video card in my desktop...this thing LAGS on my laptop (just shy of sysreq: nVidia Geforce Go 7400). Anyone have one extra?

LIKING what little story I've seen so far. No spoilers from me tonight, it's too late.

P.S.: No save function? WTF? Not all of us have a full hour to ourselves to devote to this...

Modifié par MishraArtificer, 24 février 2011 - 09:21 .

[eacansuckit]

Lacan2 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

No. No you are just wrong. Sorry, but there comes a time when an opinion needs to be called out as such. The combat does not resemble BGII in any way, shape, or form. The only similarity I can see, is the fact that you can pause and unpause, and to be honest it seems like this was a bone they threw in because the game is now just an autopilot slash fest. I'm not even going to go into how many things are different, because the post would take me more time than I have to write. Sorry. 

I didn't say it was similar, but closer to BG2 than DAO. I didn't say it resembles BG2. Grinding out an opponent like low level mobs with 23,000 hits is so anti-BG I don't even know where to begin. BG is at its heart quick deaths and quick kills, which DA2 is closer to than DAO for sure.

I know every single BG2 quest by heart and it's my favorite game of all time, so I can speak pretty assuredly on this.

You're being overly sensitive and didn't bother trying to understand what I wrote, but you seem to think patronizing and unimaginative statements like "sorry" and "just wrong" substitute for reading comprehension.

If you ever in your life managed to play that game and play it properly, you know that the pace far more resembles DA2 than DAO.

Pace of combat has little to do with the fact that style of play and tactical vs. 3rd person combat. You've played a hundred hours of BG. Congrats. You're still a ****wit.

[Zeppeli]

Marionettetc wrote...

I've noticed through these comments here the dragon age community is split into mainly two groups :

The origins hardliners, who refuse any sort of change and clamor for the "glory days" and the fans who appreciate another entry in the series.

I understand the complaints, I really do - but you guys do realize Dragon age with all of it's flaws is definitely one of the leading RPGS of today - right? And that without certain changes or any sort of innovation the series is canceled and we don't have anything else to play beyond the 15th play through of Origins.

Right?

Like I said, I'm fine with criticism and I realize everyone's gaming experience is different - but why is it so impossible to appreciate something for what it is instead of idealizing everything in life? I'd love to hear about some stronger RPGs that manage to encompass all that DA does without any of it's flaws?

There is one one the way, but i can't tell you the full name: TW2.... Listen, the problem is that Dragon Age 2 is not an RPG, more like a hack'n'slash similar to Dungeon Siege with an interactive story.... Calling this game RPG, as well ME2, it's a little insulting to RPG... I think that a lot of people forget or do not understand the meaning of RPG...

Because i think that most of the players here that claim DA2 an RPG are not stupid, but for sure they have little knowledge of RPG....

[TeaCokeProphet]

eacansuckit wrote...
Pace of combat has little to do with the fact that style of play and tactical vs. 3rd person combat. You've played a hundred hours of BG. Congrats. You're still a ****wit.

You probably aren't a jackass in real life. Yet you're still a dick to anyone who disagrees with you here.

[gof22]

I am going to buy Dragon Age 2. I did not like some of the things in the demo but I still found it to be very fun and enjoyable.

[Zurtech]

Avalastrius wrote...

I wonder why BioWare felt the need to treat us like geek children who have never seen a woman before. It is offensive, sexist and dowright stupid. Where is the maturity they are talking about?

It's amazing that they actually pay a team of writers to come up with large breasted women. I mean, really?

Where is the fragile, the emotive, the pale, the mysterious?

For God's sake, even Hawke's mother looks like the same as his sister, only with whiter hair. Can't you really make an old person to look like an old person?

Trully amazing, in this day and age, to see an RPG like that not looking trully convincing, beautiful and adventurous in its art style. This is an old school RPG. There are no A.I. systems running for the NPCs, there is no open world, there are no real weather effects, no day/night cycle, no NPCs going about their business to eat up resources.

Then why on earth don't we have amazing graphics? Why? What''s the excuse? There is no excuse.

Please BioWare, try to understand we are not children who want to look at Xena-look-alikes while we try to be immersed in a -supposedly- dark heroic fantasy story.

Sorry but you need to check Witcher 2 for some advice. This is going to steal all the thunder from DA2, and it seems deservedly so. 

How on Earth can you say Witcher isn't sexist when you don't have an option to play as a woman, women are seen as nothing more than sexual conquests and will sleep with the minger you're dumped with just by buying them some chocolate?

Not to mention Witcher isn't even a proper RPG, there's no choice to make the character your own, he's pre-defined, there's no customisation, no options to change gender, looks or class. I don't get the comparisions between DA and Witcher that keep comin up, I found Witcher to be more akin to adcenture games like Zelda and Fable (I know Witcher 2 fixes this).
Personally I find Witcehr to be VERY sexist, is what put me RIGHT off it. I do have it, but I've not finished it and don't intend to, that has been the only game I've played in a LONG time to make me feel truely insulted. Don't get me wrong by the way, I think CD Projekt did an amazing job for their first game, and Witcher 2 does look very good, but the sexism in the first game is what put me right off.

As for all this talk about women's breasts being too big. I'm REALLY surprised no-ones actually noticed that in the first "legend" story that Varric tells in the demo, is exaggerated in ALL aspects, inculding visuals. Even Female Hawke has large breasts, then when he tells the true tale the women's proportions are all reduced. Persoanlly this is some brilliant humour on the part of Bioware, and adds to the character of the Dwarves as a whole in the DA series.

[Lacan2]

eacansuckit wrote...

Lacan2 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

No. No you are just wrong. Sorry, but there comes a time when an opinion needs to be called out as such. The combat does not resemble BGII in any way, shape, or form. The only similarity I can see, is the fact that you can pause and unpause, and to be honest it seems like this was a bone they threw in because the game is now just an autopilot slash fest. I'm not even going to go into how many things are different, because the post would take me more time than I have to write. Sorry. 

I didn't say it was similar, but closer to BG2 than DAO. I didn't say it resembles BG2. Grinding out an opponent like low level mobs with 23,000 hits is so anti-BG I don't even know where to begin. BG is at its heart quick deaths and quick kills, which DA2 is closer to than DAO for sure.

I know every single BG2 quest by heart and it's my favorite game of all time, so I can speak pretty assuredly on this.

You're being overly sensitive and didn't bother trying to understand what I wrote, but you seem to think patronizing and unimaginative statements like "sorry" and "just wrong" substitute for reading comprehension.

If you ever in your life managed to play that game and play it properly, you know that the pace far more resembles DA2 than DAO.

Pace of combat has little to do with the fact that style of play and tactical vs. 3rd person combat. You've played a hundred hours of BG. Congrats. You're still a ****wit.

Between BG1, TOSC, BG2, ToB, Ascension+mods, I've easily logged 1,000 hours into the BG series, thank you very much.

To me, pace was the defining difference between BG and DAO. DAO seemed like the anti-BG and something more like an MMO. AT LEAST they got that crucial element this time around. The magic system unfortunately makes BG and DA alien, the melee combat for warriors isn't horribly dissimilar though.

And you'll likely be infracted for resorting to insults instead of reason, so enjoy! 

Modifié par Lacan2, 24 février 2011 - 09:25 .

[gof22]

eacansuckit wrote...

Lacan2 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

No. No you are just wrong. Sorry, but there comes a time when an opinion needs to be called out as such. The combat does not resemble BGII in any way, shape, or form. The only similarity I can see, is the fact that you can pause and unpause, and to be honest it seems like this was a bone they threw in because the game is now just an autopilot slash fest. I'm not even going to go into how many things are different, because the post would take me more time than I have to write. Sorry. 

I didn't say it was similar, but closer to BG2 than DAO. I didn't say it resembles BG2. Grinding out an opponent like low level mobs with 23,000 hits is so anti-BG I don't even know where to begin. BG is at its heart quick deaths and quick kills, which DA2 is closer to than DAO for sure.

I know every single BG2 quest by heart and it's my favorite game of all time, so I can speak pretty assuredly on this.

You're being overly sensitive and didn't bother trying to understand what I wrote, but you seem to think patronizing and unimaginative statements like "sorry" and "just wrong" substitute for reading comprehension.

If you ever in your life managed to play that game and play it properly, you know that the pace far more resembles DA2 than DAO.

Pace of combat has little to do with the fact that style of play and tactical vs. 3rd person combat. You've played a hundred hours of BG. Congrats. You're still a ****wit.

There was absoutely no need to insult the person. Just because you don't agree with their opinion does not give you the right to insult them.

[Sereaph502]

RPG: Role Playing Game



You take on the ROLE of Hawke. You decide how good/neutral/bad he/she is, you play through the game, deciding what quests to do and which not to do.



It seems to me that the people who are saying that DA2/ME2 aren't RPGs are the people who don't know what RPGs are. They want a game where they can make their own character, and have tons of dialog options. They didn't do their homework on what DA2 was going to be, so they're complaining about it.



It's not the game's fault you guys never read up on what the game was going to be about.



Now then, as for actual feedback instead of whining about how the game isn't like BG1/2, Icewind Dale, DA:O, etc? The combat feels good, but that's really all I can say...Locking most skill trees, the inventory system, character customization severely limits what the players can test.



Also, how do I know if I unlocked the blade? I finished the tutorial, and don't think I got disconnected...

[RohanD]

Lacan2 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

No. No you are just wrong. Sorry, but there comes a time when an opinion needs to be called out as such. The combat does not resemble BGII in any way, shape, or form. The only similarity I can see, is the fact that you can pause and unpause, and to be honest it seems like this was a bone they threw in because the game is now just an autopilot slash fest. I'm not even going to go into how many things are different, because the post would take me more time than I have to write. Sorry. 

I didn't say it was similar, but closer to BG2 than DAO. I didn't say it resembles BG2. Grinding out an opponent like low level mobs with 23,000 hits is so anti-BG I don't even know where to begin. BG is at its heart quick deaths and quick kills, which DA2 is closer to than DAO for sure.

I know every single BG2 quest by heart and it's my favorite game of all time, so I can speak pretty assuredly on this.

You're being overly sensitive and didn't bother trying to understand what I wrote, but you seem to think patronizing and unimaginative statements like "sorry" and "just wrong" substitute for reading comprehension.

If you ever in your life managed to play that game and play it properly, you know that the pace far more resembles DA2 than DAO.

I've played the entire BG series 5 times including mods, as well as IWD and PST, and no, this played nothing like BGII at all. BGII, didn't throw wave after wave of mindless, mobs at you. BGII actually required you to think before acting because the enemy you're facing might have a buff, or a resistence or (heavens!) a variety of resistences! Saying it's closer to BG2 than DA:O is kind of pointless, neither of them are really anything like BGII in terms of complexity or difficulty. BGII > DA:O > DA2. 

[errant_knight]

errant_knight wrote...

And this is why I'm still going to buy it. I'm sure the characters and story will still be good, and I want to know what happens next in this world. I'm not going to find this as immersive due to the dialogue changes and my feelings about the combat, but even if I continue to find the combat as tedious as I do now, I expect the story to be compelling.

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

And this is exactly what they want.

I'm glad to hear it, for some reason. It appears people are jumping over the deep end when they choose to cancel all of their preorders and such. Of course, it also appears I don't feel as strongly about the issue of what crpgs are becoming as others. I'll certainly mourn the loss of the crpg, but DA2 will end up being pretty good regardless.

This is only going to work this time, though. If the pendulum doesn't swing back toward DA:O with DA3, and big time, I'll be done. They get this one out of gratitude for DA:O. I'm not going to keep playing games in a style I don't like because they made a game I really liked once.

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 février 2011 - 09:26 .

[Aidunno]

Zeppeli wrote...

Calling this game RPG, as well ME2, it's a little insulting to RPG... I think that a lot of people forget or do not understand the meaning of RPG...

Because i think that most of the players here that claim DA2 an RPG are not stupid, but for sure they have little knowledge of RPG....

Or, some people simply have a very restricted view as to what THEY think an RPG is. It's a matter of personal opinion.

Modifié par Aidunno, 24 février 2011 - 09:29 .

[RohanD]

Lacan2 wrote...

eacansuckit wrote...

The combat is similar to BG because it also had exploding enemies? How the **** did you even manage to install the demo, let alone power up a PC? Ah, nevermind.

You remember how many times your best fighter (PC, Sarevok, Minsc) hit the low level enemy so hard they exploded into chunks? Good times. 

Male Hawke is  more or less what I imagined Sarevok doing on the battlefield with his vorpal blade.

So exploding into chunks is your reason for comparing DA2 and BG2? Riiight....

[errant_knight]

gof22 wrote...
There was absoutely no need to insult the person. Just because you don't agree with their opinion does not give you the right to insult them.

He's a troll. Stop engaging him. It's what he wants.

[gof22]

errant_knight wrote...

gof22 wrote...
There was absoutely no need to insult the person. Just because you don't agree with their opinion does not give you the right to insult them.

He's a troll. Stop engaging him. It's what he wants.

I guessed that when I chekced his profile and read his username. Hopefully he gets banned quickly.